you are very fond of these iconoclast debunks burnt state, and frankly they are biased to the extreme, poorly researched, character assassinations with extreme bias, do you read them fully ?, and do you ever fact check ?, before posting.
rebuttals to claims made inbetween the barrage of abuse, the rebuttals are in the comments, to which bragalia did not reply, although he replied to virtually all the others who were patting his back
rebuttal 1
What a pitifully half-educated view of Maury Island! It'd take me all day to try and unravel what's wrong with this article if I had that much time to spend counter-blogging. I don't see any evidence here that Bragalia read the only book ever written on the topic (mine). To be fair, copies of that go for about $230 on amazon right now, so maybe he couldn't afford it. Still, it's a poor excuse for bad research.
It just so happens that I've been working on the new, expanded edition of the book these past few days. Feral House will have it out next spring. At the end of this month I'm doing a lecture that includes the Maury Island material in Bath, England. After that, I'll be in Atlanta for a lecture, also with Maury Island references.When the new edition comes out, I'll no doubt be doing many more lectures on the topic and hopefully they all will be occasions to counter this misinformation.
Three brief things, though: Bragalia seems to place a lot of stock in comments from Harold Dahl's family members, who admitted bias against Crisman because of his relationship with their father (as did the high school principal who produced a months-long substitute teacher log in a single handwriting); no mention is made of Crisman's connection to Marshall and Michael Riconosciuto of Octopus infamy (Danny Casolaro's great "hoax", I suppose); and Jim Garrison--who isn't mentioned either--believed Crisman was the grassy knoll shooter. Garrison had a high-powered, funded and thorough investigative team of professionals. This writer read a few fanzine articles and wrote a blog. Common sense should tell us whose conclusions have more credibility.
Kenn Thomas
rebuttal 2
Mr. Bragalia,
If only the Maury Island Incident and especially Fred Lee Crisman could be explained away so easily as a simple HOAX, and without the many facts not known to those who postulate from the armchair and don't or won't do some actual REAL research but just rehash old hackny "research" by regurgitating from old articles and website posts. How both easy and lazy. I'm not saying [nor do I personally believe], the Maury Island Incident was actually Ufological in any real way, but that SOMETHING was being either hidden, covered up, used as a psy-op or used as a smoke screen by the US governmant. Fred Lee Crisman, [whom I met for a few minutes in 1967], wasn't the fool you seem to imply. Are you aware that his application for the ATOMIC ENERGY COMMISSION [as an Atomic Energy Security Service Agent], Los Alamos, NM. Amazingly signed and dated by Crisman on AUGUST 6th 1947!, [Yes, just 5 days after Brown & Davidson's fatal crash!] The form was duly processed as "EXPEDITE Class S", (and with access to restricted data). The document at hand also notes background check markings by the FBI [and others] the second week of August and into September. As Fred Lee Crisman disappeared right after Brown and Davidson's crash, I think we now know where his "next assignment" most likely was.
Do you really think with all the publicity on the Maury Island Incident and following airplane crash that Fred Lee Crisman would pass ANY sort of a security background check? He wouldn't even make it as far as being a Wal-Mart greeter! Also noted in his AEC "personal security questionnaire" that he was a Captain in the Air Corps from 1942-1946 [serial number 0-758951], and a "Special Investigator" for the State of Washington, from 1946-1947. All these items would be verifiable and would be by the FBI or AEC background checks. This document was procured via a 1994 FOIA request [but not released until 1998], from the Department of Energy, which now includes the formally named Atomic Energy Commission [AEC].
This is just one of a number of items that makes it impossible to just write the Maury Island Incident off as a ONLY simple "hoax", by Dahl and Crisman ... THERE IS MUCH MORE TO THIS STORY than meets the, (your?), eye [and most likely has NOTHING to do with UFO's.and
Best wishes,
Roderick B. Dyke
Archives for UFO Research
Member: Society of American Achivists
Life Member: Manuscript Society
RodDyke @ gmail.com
rebuttal 3
Greetings All,
As I just told Tony (via e-mail) when time permits, I'll pen a rebuttal to his article; in the mean time, I will agree with Rod, (and much thanks to him for his support in my research and all he does in that vein for all) there is much, much more to MI then suggested here.
Tony writes:
" . . . Dahl's daughter did not come forward with this information, rather she was sought out and approached. So untainted was she in speaking about this that one person had to mail to her details on an event she never knew or believed to have happened."
That one person was me, and I did a lengthy telephonic interview with her back in 2003.
Tony writes:
She too says that "nothing ever happened. . . . She has stated flat out to a Seattle Post Intelligencer (Seattle PI) reporter on April 23, 2007 that her brother Charles did not have such an encounter."
Not so--this is an erroneous statement: what McNerthney wrote was:
" . . . Dahl rarely spoke of his sighting after 1947, and often said it was a hoax when he did. Charles Dahl, who was supposedly injured by the falling debris,
didn't confirm the injuries before his death, his sister said.
In the same article she was quoted as saying:
"I didn't know anything about it until 2003 when a man from Sacramento [Me] sent me about 50 pages of research about it."
Which is exactly right, and what she told me. Moreover, she also told me that she was estranged from her brother early in life and didn't know him well; nor were they together as family at the time of the occurrence.
Charles Dahl didn't confirm "or deny" the incident (or injuries) to his sister--because they never talked about it!!
She also told me that she took care of her father the last two weeks of his life, and although he didn't reference the Maury Island Incident, he did talk mildly about UFOs, and his support of ETH, which he held onto until the day he died.
More later . . .
Cheers,
Frank
Editor/Publisher
The UFO Chronicles
THE UFO CHRONICLES
now i dont know anything about these events, but i instantly recognise a hatchet job, and this is the underlying reason i went off on one on you in the other thread, either read the pages fully, and fact check before you endorse them, or dont post them here.
otherwise theres nothing surer than we are going bump heads, because i dont like it at all, being deceived, i spent the time to read your link, thats the least you can do before you post them.
Really hope someone on the forum would be able to help me out
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