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Honey, I’d like you to meet the Greys; our new neighbors from Dulce!

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Article Written by Anthony F. Sanchez
Monday, September 27, 2010
UFO Highway - www.UFOHighway.com

Dulce, NM - The consensus on whether Greys at Dulce exist, is heavily varied and still debated. Just take a look at a recent response from one of the most preeminent experts on Deep Underground Military Bases, Dr. Richard Sauder:

"Dulce is quite likely a disinformation smoke screen to deflect researchers' attention from other places, including in New Mexico, where there are REAL underground bases -- like Sandia National Lab, Los Alamos National Lab, White Sands Missile Range, Kirtland AFB, and the very real Manzano underground base, which I conclusively document in my third book, and which my background sources tell me is VAST, not big, not large, neither very large nor very big, but … VAST."

So it's safe to assume that Dr. Sauder is a believer in underground bases; however, not so much towards the existence of Greys (with respect to Dulce). In fact, he goes so far as to refute the existence of a Deep Underground Complex at Dulce itself. But where does this leave Ufology and those who research Dulce? In fact, where does this leave me? You see, this past year in January I was put in contact with a retired USAF Colonel who wanted to come forth as a whistleblower on Dulce, based on his service at Dulce during 1979 to 1983.

After this meeting I searched and performed exhaustive researches on Dulce and what the larger UFO community believes may be going on there; and not just underground, but with respect to the surface level activities too. Abductions, Mutilations, UFO sightings, Contact with Greys, etc.

Upon looking into Dulce what I found is that much of the data that has trickled in from the ranks of Ufology is that the majority of researchers do believe that there is indeed an "Alien Controlled Segment" operating at Dulce, and that they are in fact operating within the ranks of our own Government. There is a serious nature over this concept and it is driven by this enigmatic desire by someone or some group to devastate cattle populations in and around the Southwestern Four Corners region, extending all the way out to the Southern Colorado’s, San Luis Valley. Families are left clueless and in some cases financially devastated.

The Colonel claims it is the military that has been propagating the use of living organisms such as anthrax, and non-living organisms such as ricin, saxitoxin and botulinum toxin on area cattle to monitor the affects of these agents; for future potential use on human combatants. And sometimes, he says, these exercises are facilitated using Grey technology. Take a look at a comment made during 1991 by noted Ufologist Michael Lindemann from his lecture titled, “Dissention amid Control over Underground Complexes”:

“There is a growing division taking place between the Constitutionalists of America and the Alien controlled segments within the underground bases. This would also include their human pawns who will apparently do anything, even murder their fellow man, in order to continue receiving the technological benefits from their alien masters, to whom they have sold themselves and whose agenda of control and subversion they are serving, whether knowing or unknowingly.”

When I read this, it sounded eerily familiar to me. In fact, it resonated exactly with the testimony provided to me by my own source. So I dug deeper, and began to ask questions from those surrounding the lecture circuit on Deep Underground Bases, Greys, UFOs and Cattle Mutilations. What I found was a conundrum of mixed data (disparate data) that needed to be consolidated, catalogued, and expertly disseminated as articulate as possible into a deliverable … so that the masses of those interested could then review and decide for themselves.

One interesting development, and what surprised me the most during this research was that I began to discover that there is a strong ‘Outside Interest’ that would stand to lose much with the release of my own book UFO Highway, and only now do I understand why. It is because in the Colonel’s testimony on Dulce there are no abductions, mutilations or engagements of any kind pertaining to “Reptilians”.

And that is a message which reverberates (even now) throughout the UFO community; because this is what most people were lead to believe since the dissemination of these stories across the internet since the mid 1990s. Also, what attracts even more heated attention is that there is no Thomas E. Castello or mention of his story within the confines of the Colonel’s testimony. I have seen some very negative things come in as a result of this, from believers in the Reptilian Dulce saga. I am sorry, if you read the book you will find that I am not a disbeliever in Reptilians, rather they just never had jobs at Dulce.

I've personally staked my name, and career in UFO research on the belief in this one retired USAF officer and his testimony on Dulce. The Greys, their history, the Deep Underground Complex and how it all originated come into light under the interview I conducted on January 6th, 2010. And for me, this interview shocked me to my core, mostly because I never believed in the Dulce story. I never accepted that a joint Alien/U.S. Government base could possibly exist (there).

I had always believed since 1989 that the S-4 facility within Area 51 was the de facto location for such activities. But 20 years later, it would take disclosure from one person whose only wish is to stop malevolent events from occurring under a tenuous relationship between both man and Grey; a relationship founded upon lies and for promised collateral involvement of the innocent.

So folks, this is not disinformation; rather, this is what I now believe, and I promise you that there is indeed something there at Dulce. Again, from the beginning I felt this was a tall-tale – even a lie. Hence, the reason why I brought in Norio Hayakawa … to make sure I was not being hoaxed. And I can tell you with all conviction that this retired USAF Colonel is who he says he is. I know his identity. And he says there are Greys in Dulce exchanging technology with the US Government … for resources they require.

Readers of the book will see his DD-214 and the listing of a place whereby he served in an official and classified capacity called “RIO ARRIBA CO, DSD-3”. But according to the National Personnel Records Center in St. Louis, Missouri, specifically, the Military Personnel Records Custodian “there is no known military location known as Rio Arriba Co. nor is there any known unit called DSD-3.” And only the DIA has a division (not a unit) called DSD-3, their "General Military Intelligence Support Division" … and it came about years after the Colonel had already retired. Yet, there it is for all to see (on his official DD-214 sent directly by the NPRC).

And finally, just to be sure I checked with other groups. One of them was the BIA, and according to the “Department of the Interior Bureau of Indian Affairs, Southwest Region - Jicarilla Agency” … there is no permanent or temporary military presence in the township of Dulce or the county of Rio Arriba. There has not been one since the last days of the U.S. Calvary.
 
Sorry, I couldn't resist. I tried to be good and it ain't working. :(

Article Written by Anthony F. Sanchez
Monday, September 27, 2010
UFO Highway - www.UFOHighway.com
Dulce, NM - The consensus on whether Greys at Dulce exist, is heavily varied and still debated. Just take a look at a recent response from one of the most preeminent experts on Deep Underground Military Bases, Dr. Richard Sauder:
First of all, consensus means "An opinion or position reached by a group as a whole." Or in other words a uniform group opinion already reached. By its very definition a consensus cannot be "heavily varied" and "debated." The first sentence has an error in word usage. This doesn't bode well.
"Dulce is quite likely a disinformation smoke screen to deflect researchers' attention from other places, including in New Mexico, where there are REAL underground bases -- like Sandia National Lab, Los Alamos National Lab, White Sands Missile Range, Kirtland AFB, and the very real Manzano underground base, which I conclusively document in my third book, and which my background sources tell me is VAST, not big, not large, neither very large nor very big, but … VAST."
So...
Who takes out the garbage? Jacques Vallee asked that question something like 20 years ago. Still no answer. He's gotta be a little bit cranky about that by now. :)
So it's safe to assume that Dr. Sauder is a believer in underground bases; however, not so much towards the existence of Greys (with respect to Dulce). In fact, he goes so far as to refute the existence of a Deep Underground Complex at Dulce itself. But where does this leave Ufology and those who research Dulce? In fact, where does this leave me? You see, this past year in January I was put in contact with a retired USAF Colonel who wanted to come forth as a whistleblower on Dulce, based on his service at Dulce during 1979 to 1983.
Where does it leave you? Up shit creek it seems. But wait, the proverbial insider comes forth wanting to expose all the nefarious goings on and all that stuff like that there. This should be good.
After this meeting I searched and performed exhaustive researches on Dulce and what the larger UFO community believes may be going on there; and not just underground, but with respect to the surface level activities too. Abductions, Mutilations, UFO sightings, Contact with Greys, etc.
Upon looking into Dulce what I found is that much of the data that has trickled in from the ranks of Ufology is that the majority of researchers do believe that there is indeed an "Alien Controlled Segment" operating at Dulce, and that they are in fact operating within the ranks of our own Government. There is a serious nature over this concept and it is driven by this enigmatic desire by someone or some group to devastate cattle populations in and around the Southwestern Four Corners region, extending all the way out to the Southern Colorado’s, San Luis Valley. Families are left clueless and in some cases financially devastated.
The majority of researchers? Really? Who have you been talking to Mr. Sanchez? I don't think even the likes of Greer buy that stuff. I think you need new friends. A course on how to do research couldn't hurt either. Exchanging a few emails with John Lear doesn't count.
The Colonel claims it is the military that has been propagating the use of living organisms such as anthrax, and non-living organisms such as ricin, saxitoxin and botulinum toxin on area cattle to monitor the affects of these agents; for future potential use on human combatants. And sometimes, he says, these exercises are facilitated using Grey technology. Take a look at a comment made during 1991 by noted Ufologist Michael Lindemann from his lecture titled, “Dissention amid Control over Underground Complexes”:
Here's a little information I got from a confidential source. I won't name him lest I put his life in danger. The effects of all the agents you listed is known. They kill living things. Shocking I know. You want to know what else? Very effective delivery systems, for these agents already exist and have existed for decades. These systems were invented by humans too. But I guess it's more fun to play with alien toys.
“There is a growing division taking place between the Constitutionalists of America and the Alien controlled segments within the underground bases. This would also include their human pawns who will apparently do anything, even murder their fellow man, in order to continue receiving the technological benefits from their alien masters, to whom they have sold themselves and whose agenda of control and subversion they are serving, whether knowing or unknowingly.”
When I read this, it sounded eerily familiar to me. In fact, it resonated exactly with the testimony provided to me by my own source. So I dug deeper, and began to ask questions from those surrounding the lecture circuit on Deep Underground Bases, Greys, UFOs and Cattle Mutilations. What I found was a conundrum of mixed data (disparate data) that needed to be consolidated, catalogued, and expertly disseminated as articulate as possible into a deliverable … so that the masses of those interested could then review and decide for themselves.
Yeah, yeah. Of course it sounded familiar. I found the same thing quoted on something like a dozen nutjob right wing websites and blogs. Your source agrees surprise surprise. But ah! you dug deeper! You asked the (omg) ufo lecture circuit and discovered a confusing mound of non evidence. So, being the intrepid truth seeker that you are you decided to take this mound of non evidence and disseminate it. Expertly. Oh joy.
One interesting development, and what surprised me the most during this research was that I began to discover that there is a strong ‘Outside Interest’ that would stand to lose much with the release of my own book UFO Highway, and only now do I understand why. It is because in the Colonel’s testimony on Dulce there are no abductions, mutilations or engagements of any kind pertaining to “Reptilians”.
Fucking hell, you don't say! Maybe if you talked to some different people...
And that is a message which reverberates (even now) throughout the UFO community; because this is what most people were lead to believe since the dissemination of these stories across the internet since the mid 1990s. Also, what attracts even more heated attention is that there is no Thomas E. Castello or mention of his story within the confines of the Colonel’s testimony. I have seen some very negative things come in as a result of this, from believers in the Reptilian Dulce saga. I am sorry, if you read the book you will find that I am not a disbeliever in Reptilians, rather they just never had jobs at Dulce.
Well alright then. That's different. It's good to know that. Me and all my friends were certain the Reptilians were in charge at Dulce. We are glad to be free of that mistaken notion.
I've personally staked my name, and career in UFO research on the belief in this one retired USAF officer and his testimony on Dulce. The Greys, their history, the Deep Underground Complex and how it all originated come into light under the interview I conducted on January 6th, 2010. And for me, this interview shocked me to my core, mostly because I never believed in the Dulce story. I never accepted that a joint Alien/U.S. Government base could possibly exist (there).
You poor bastard.

I had always believed since 1989 that the S-4 facility within Area 51 was the de facto location for such activities. But 20 years later, it would take disclosure from one person whose only wish is to stop malevolent events from occurring under a tenuous relationship between both man and Grey; a relationship founded upon lies and for promised collateral involvement of the innocent.
Yeah. One guy sitting across from you saying stuff is disclosure. You poor poor deluded fool.
So folks, this is not disinformation; rather, this is what I now believe, and I promise you that there is indeed something there at Dulce. Again, from the beginning I felt this was a tall-tale – even a lie. Hence, the reason why I brought in Norio Hayakawa … to make sure I was not being hoaxed. And I can tell you with all conviction that this retired USAF Colonel is who he says he is. I know his identity. And he says there are Greys in Dulce exchanging technology with the US Government … for resources they require.
Oh well, since you believe the story and make such a heartfelt promise I take back everything I said.
Oh wait...
Readers of the book will see his DD-214 and the listing of a place whereby he served in an official and classified capacity called “RIO ARRIBA CO, DSD-3”. But according to the National Personnel Records Center in St. Louis, Missouri, specifically, the Military Personnel Records Custodian “there is no known military location known as Rio Arriba Co. nor is there any known unit called DSD-3.” And only the DIA has a division (not a unit) called DSD-3, their "General Military Intelligence Support Division" … and it came about years after the Colonel had already retired. Yet, there it is for all to see (on his official DD-214 sent directly by the NPRC).
I'm speechless. Gobsmacked. This brought tears to my eyes. You really are a clueless nitwit aren't you Mr. Sanchez?
And finally, just to be sure I checked with other groups. One of them was the BIA, and according to the “Department of the Interior Bureau of Indian Affairs, Southwest Region - Jicarilla Agency” … there is no permanent or temporary military presence in the township of Dulce or the county of Rio Arriba. There has not been one since the last days of the U.S. Calvary.
Gah!
 
While I can't be as eloquent as stphrz with my post, I nevertheless will attempt a reply...

Are there underground bases? Yes. There are also underground basements in houses. CERN, from what I understand is also underground.

Is there debate concerning the occupants of these underground bases? Yes, but most certainly by those that are trying to sell articles, books and the occasional scary movie. Most rational humans would tend to think that there are other humans inside these bases, possibly a rodent or two, and some crickets; not grey aliens nor reptilian humanoids, nor humanoid praying mantises.

To stake one's reputation upon a single case must be a frightening venture. At least do more background research before you publish Mr. Sanchez. Find a few more insiders. Sneak inside the underground base. Or dig a deep hole yourself and see if the grays come running.
 
I have never heard or seen a compelling argument for the existence of any "vast" base in Dulce. When you start talking about Reptilian aliens and joint U.S. alien bases I start wanting to watch the various iterations of Stargate. It just doesn't have the ring of truth or feasibility.
 
:redface:

I'm a little slow sometimes, especially when I'm tired, but I get it eventually. Good one Chris.
;)

Oh, well at least I got to go off and no one got hurt.:p
 
Sorry, I couldn't resist. I tried to be good and it ain't working. :( ... You poor poor deluded fool. You really are a clueless nitwit aren't you Mr. Sanchez?
Please try and resist next time. As you know we don't abide ad homonym attacks--even if they are deserved. It's OK to disagree, scoff, call people out, make clever double entendre depreciating jokes etc., but let's resist the temptation to resort to blatant name calling... I know sometimes this is hard, but try harder next time, pretty pls? :0 Anthony is actually a nice guy. I spoke with him at length at the recent ASPE conference. He needs to dot his I's and cross his T's but he is convinced that his source is legit and he's working his ass off to dig deeper into this overly sensational alleged Dulce underground base scenario.
 
Please try and resist next time. As you know we don't abide ad homonym attacks--even if they are deserved. It's OK to disagree, scoff, call people out, make clever double entendre depreciating jokes etc., but let's resist the temptation to resort to blatant name calling... I know sometimes this is hard, but try harder next time, pretty pls? :0 Anthony is actually a nice guy. I spoke with him at length at the recent ASPE conference. He needs to dot his I's and cross his T's but he is convinced that his source is legit and he's working his ass off to dig deeper into this overly sensational alleged Dulce underground base scenario.
I'm a bad boy.:(

I can't make any promises but I will try harder. If I fail I will try to make sure I do it in "special" cases like this one only. I won't do it to fellow forum members.:)

He isn't a member of the forums is he?;)

If you can get in contact with him, you should suggest he do some digging out in the desert. With a rented backhoe.
 
I'm a bad boy.:(

I can't make any promises but I will try harder.
Oh good, glad to hear it!
If you can get in contact with him, you should suggest he do some digging out in the desert. With a rented backhoe.
Actually the Paracast will be doing the digging -- on-air -- we've invited Anthony to be on the show so we can all ask all those tough questions that need to be asked because inquiring paracasters want to know what's up, Anthony?!
 
For some reason, I can't find the damn interview link....it's out there somewhere. Greg Bishop did a C2C interview and brought on Rick Doty. It's saved on my hard drive if anyone wants a copy.

Doty claimed to have made up the Dulce DUMB to screw with Paul Bennewicz. As far as I know (not much!), this was the starting point for the Dulce mythology.
 
There are links to a podcast interview with Mr. Sanchez and Norio Hayakawa on this page:

http://www.jerrypippin.com/angel_fire_2010__paranormal_symp.htm

Lawdhamurcy.

Actually the Paracast will be doing the digging -- on-air -- we've invited Anthony to be on the show so we can all ask all those tough questions that need to be asked because inquiring paracasters want to know what's up, Anthony?!
Oh wow. You gonna tell him what I said?

I'm not sure I want him mad at me.:shy:

I'll be there for that episode with bells on!:)
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Looking forward to that one...SERPO, that whole Pickering brothers/YMCA sailor pretending to be military crap, Phil Schneider...this story seems to fit nicely in that category.
 
I spoke with him at length at the recent ASPE conference. He needs to dot his I's and cross his T's but he is convinced that his source is legit and he's working his ass off to dig deeper into this overly sensational alleged Dulce underground base scenario.

I have seen 2 fake DD 214's in the last year or so. Detail is the key. These things are surprisingly hard to fake with great detail but very easy to appear to be official and true to the novice. He needs to go over that thing with a very fine tooth comb and ask lots of questions and get lots of opinions. When I hear things like the DD 214 listing a posting that doesn't exist I get very suspicious. If a base is truly off the grid then the likelihood of its name and subsequent location being provided to a discharge clerk is a very dubious notion.

If you want to pass anything on I would say that he needs to demand that a certified copy be requested from whatever branch and then have the Col. mail it to him. While forgery of a DD 214 is a federal offense, it is rarely vigorously pursued unless it involves an altering of the honorable status. By having the document certified and mailed a forger would be committing mail fraud and that is a big No No. DD 214's are easy to acquire (as long as the records were not burned in the 1973 fire) and are very cheep, in fact they are usually free unless it involves a lengthy amount of document copy time. Even then the cost is super minimal.

Once he receives the document he can resend it to the military branch for confirmation of authenticity. It is an extra step but a necessary one if you are staking your entire career and reputation on this one guy. If after all of that this non-existent base is stamped on an authentic form then the military has some "splainin' to do". If it is fake, then Col. guy is going to the clink. Reputation rescued, justice served. If he doesn't do this, then he is asking for trouble.
 
Ron, while I really applaud you on explaining this (most of that was new and interesting to me), you don't really think that 'Colonel X' (it was, I think ? )will produce more then hot air, do you? :)
 
What really bugged me about Mr. Sanchez was his uncritical acceptance of blatant discrepancies on the DD 214 as clues, evidence or proof of anything whatsoever. It just boggles my mind. Discrepancies are problems that need to be resolved, they are not an "ah-ha proof at last, proof at last thank god almighty there's proof at last!" smoking gun.

Oh, and Ron, thanks for your info on DD 214s. I really think if he did what you suggest all the discrepancies would be resolved and a hoax would be exposed. Too bad it probably won't happen though. If it did, this guy would find some way to spin it or he woudl go on looking for another clue, another person to tell him what he wants to hear.
 
Stphrz, your rant was extremely entertaining. Also, ad hominem attacks are only a problem when you're in a debate and you use them to try to make an argument. What you said was more like fact :)
 
I have never heard or seen a compelling argument for the existence of any "vast" base in Dulce. When you start talking about Reptilian aliens and joint U.S. alien bases I start wanting to watch the various iterations of Stargate. It just doesn't have the ring of truth or feasibility.


It reminded me more of my "favorite" show from the 90's. I miss the X Files! :cool:Although, Fringe will do in a pinch.
 
Just in case anyone is interested. Here are a couple of sites to help in the DD214 research.

http://www.stolenvalor.com
Very cool site and hopefully a TV series on the Military Channel. Basically, they investigate claims of military service and bust the bastards that are posing.

http://www.homeofheroes.com/rollofvalor/va_fraud.html
http://www.homeofheroes.com/rollofvalor/dd214.html
This is a good resource to find out more about what to look for to identify fraud.

http://www.173rdairborne.com/shame.htm
Good information on how to obtain records for people yourself.

Finally, a couple of books on the subject.
Stolen Valor
Fake Warriors

I hope it helps.
 
I have never heard or seen a compelling argument for the existence of any "vast" base in Dulce. When you start talking about Reptilian aliens and joint U.S. alien bases I start wanting to watch the various iterations of Stargate. It just doesn't have the ring of truth or feasibility.

"Reptilian" ETs alone sinks its credibility for me.
 
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