Chuckleberryfinn
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Human Virtue In Action
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I don't know....what's the point of posting this? One 27 year old guy is obviously insane did a terrible thing. So is this to then prompt a discussion about how horrible the human species is? I just don't want to play that game, no thanks.
As the article noted, many people got involved and tried their best to stop the man to no avail. They didn't cheer him on in demonic pleasure, or pull up lawn chairs and watch the murder while eating popcorn.
No, other people tried to stop him, and police arrived and had to kill him. But it was too late to save the child.
Some people are not mature enough to be parents, if that is the case here. Taking care of a small child is hard work, as I am sure many people here know from personal experience. A child is totally self-focused, cannot empathize with your needs or pains, so a mature adult has to set their own needs and pains on the "back burner" in order to tend to the child's need. I understand a child cannot even begin to empathize with others as separate beings until around 7. So a child just being a child, with the times of non-stop crying and whining and neediness, can just be too much for a person who is very wrapped up in their own needs. Who knows what rage was projected out from years of pent up anger against that poor child.
But is humanity just no damn good because of this? No. I'd say the statistic is about 20% "bad" (anti-social, self-centered, destructive, hostile) versus 80% who just want to earn a living, take loving care of their families, and get along with others.
We each have the potential to be demons or angels. It is a moment by moment decision. If you want to see all of humanity as scum, then that reflects that you secretly also see yourself that way. I don't identify with that 27 year old man, although I can understand how someone could "snap" and do such a horrible thing.
As the article noted, many people got involved and tried their best to stop the man to no avail. They didn't cheer him on in demonic pleasure, or pull up lawn chairs and watch the murder while eating popcorn.
No, other people tried to stop him, and police arrived and had to kill him. But it was too late to save the child.
Some people are not mature enough to be parents, if that is the case here. Taking care of a small child is hard work, as I am sure many people here know from personal experience. A child is totally self-focused, cannot empathize with your needs or pains, so a mature adult has to set their own needs and pains on the "back burner" in order to tend to the child's need. I understand a child cannot even begin to empathize with others as separate beings until around 7. So a child just being a child, with the times of non-stop crying and whining and neediness, can just be too much for a person who is very wrapped up in their own needs. Who knows what rage was projected out from years of pent up anger against that poor child.
But is humanity just no damn good because of this? No. I'd say the statistic is about 20% "bad" (anti-social, self-centered, destructive, hostile) versus 80% who just want to earn a living, take loving care of their families, and get along with others.
We each have the potential to be demons or angels. It is a moment by moment decision. If you want to see all of humanity as scum, then that reflects that you secretly also see yourself that way. I don't identify with that 27 year old man, although I can understand how someone could "snap" and do such a horrible thing.
Good points Fastwaker in general. I do no think ALL humanity is scum by any means. I do however think that human beings have a long history of violence, greed and selfishness. Look at our US leaders, the BS war over oil and control for one instance.
There are a lot of civil, evolved and loving humans on the planet as well as the complete opposite. Is this just a part of the human condition, genetic, society induced, demons or what? I guess this is an ancient question about the nature of evil.
There are a lot of civil, evolved and loving humans on the planet as well as the complete opposite. Is this just a part of the human condition, genetic, society induced, demons or what? I guess this is an ancient question about the nature of evil.
Chuckleberryfinn
Paranormal Maven
Tried to stop him? I wonder what that consisted of. Pleading for the crazy bastard to desist his damnable behavior and kiss the child instead?
If you want to stop someone like that, it isn't difficult. The article makes it sound as if he wasn't armed. Fine. He wasn't armed? Brain him with a goddamned boulder. Tackle him to the ground and break his neck.
That's what it'd look like if the onlookers really wanted to stop him. We'd be reading about a civillian decapitating a murderous lunatic, not a cop shooting him.
A cop showed up. That means that instead of taking action, a civiliian called the cops and reported the crazy's activities. F-that. You kick him in the balls and then pile drive him Jesse Ventura style.
And I'd like to know where you get this 80/20 statistic from?
I'm shocked that humans are capable of such behavior. What causes a person to do something like that? Where does that will come from? Squashing a little newborn baby? Crazy isn't even the right word.
If you want to stop someone like that, it isn't difficult. The article makes it sound as if he wasn't armed. Fine. He wasn't armed? Brain him with a goddamned boulder. Tackle him to the ground and break his neck.
That's what it'd look like if the onlookers really wanted to stop him. We'd be reading about a civillian decapitating a murderous lunatic, not a cop shooting him.
A cop showed up. That means that instead of taking action, a civiliian called the cops and reported the crazy's activities. F-that. You kick him in the balls and then pile drive him Jesse Ventura style.
And I'd like to know where you get this 80/20 statistic from?
I'm shocked that humans are capable of such behavior. What causes a person to do something like that? Where does that will come from? Squashing a little newborn baby? Crazy isn't even the right word.
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schticknz
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This just came to mind whilst reading this thread. There is a court case (still ongoing I think) here in New Zeland in which a group of people (a family ... or "whanau", extended family (maori)) decided that for fun ... and remember that word "FUN", they would put a recently born baby to their family ... in a spindryer and turn it on with the baby inside it.
And then ... for more 'FUN', they decided to turn the temperature up just because they could and it was apparently a "FUN" thing to do so.
I think there were other seriously nasty things they did to this poor kid before they finally got arrested and brought before the courts.
We have some of the highest, if not THE highest child abuse statistics in the world here in New Zealand, and it just goes to show that no matter where you go there are people who seem to be nothing less than psychotic.
Whether it really is part of human nature or just due to these peoples upbringing is incredibly difficult to say. I didn't have a fantastically bad or good upbringing. Fairly average I guess but what I did learn is the difference between right and wrong and responsibilty for ones actions.
There are a lot of adults out there that don't seem to understand the difference between right and wrong, and in my opinion that difference has got severely blurred for a increasingly greater number of people over the last 25 years.
And then ... for more 'FUN', they decided to turn the temperature up just because they could and it was apparently a "FUN" thing to do so.
I think there were other seriously nasty things they did to this poor kid before they finally got arrested and brought before the courts.
We have some of the highest, if not THE highest child abuse statistics in the world here in New Zealand, and it just goes to show that no matter where you go there are people who seem to be nothing less than psychotic.
Whether it really is part of human nature or just due to these peoples upbringing is incredibly difficult to say. I didn't have a fantastically bad or good upbringing. Fairly average I guess but what I did learn is the difference between right and wrong and responsibilty for ones actions.
There are a lot of adults out there that don't seem to understand the difference between right and wrong, and in my opinion that difference has got severely blurred for a increasingly greater number of people over the last 25 years.
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schticknz
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Oh ... and there is this, of course, which I saw on the news over here in NZ a few days ago:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXFZG8J0TSU
I would claim that no one going to help this guy is just down to people not given a toss. According to my partner, psychologists have known for some time that if something happens like this, people tend not to help out since they are thinking something around the lines of "well somebody else is probably helping out, gone to phone for an ambulance or the police, or something ... so I don't need to do anything".
Very sad comment on the human race really ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LXFZG8J0TSU
I would claim that no one going to help this guy is just down to people not given a toss. According to my partner, psychologists have known for some time that if something happens like this, people tend not to help out since they are thinking something around the lines of "well somebody else is probably helping out, gone to phone for an ambulance or the police, or something ... so I don't need to do anything".
Very sad comment on the human race really ...