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Mothra said:If UFO's are so advanced, why do they need lights?
Ha ... got you. I asked a pretty darned similar question months and months and months ago on these here forums (actually it was probably just before xmas or something but you get the point
).I enquired (spelling???) why would aliens need landing lights like those seen on black triangles (if thats what they are ???) ... or indeed any kind of lights at all. I mean they don't need to make themselves known to other (terrestrial) aircraft ... so why the need for lights??
Some clever person said that it might be something to do with propulsion ... but that doesn't do it for me. Again if they're so advanced why would they need something to be all sparkly like that
when they would have 'anti-gravity' ... which I assume would not need something sparkly to make it ... work (???).Oh you know what I mean
Anyway, I got there first ... so please stand behind me in the clever person line
(p.s. i suppose this goes only for black triangles really ... other kinds of ufo ... well maybe they just want to be noticed??
... oh my good god, I just had a thought: 'g( r )ay aliens' ... it suddenly all becomes clear [before anyone takes offence I meant it in a silly way and am not in anyway disparaging aliens, gay people, or indeed gay alien people ... any other permutations i've missed while i'm at it?? )
Siani
Despiser of religious nuts
Maybe the lights are indicators of some kind, which light up when a certain device is functional on the craft? Or maybe they really do just have lights for the same reason that we do? Or maybe UFOs aren't extra-terrestrial after all? Or - maybe they WANT us to see them? Who knows? Maybe they have powerful cameras on board which pick up images of stupid Earthlings gawping in amazement when they fly past, and they find it really funny.
I'm reading Captured: The Betty and Barney Hill UFO Experience at the moment. The craft the Hills encountered had two small wing-like objects which came out of the sides of it, with red lights on the tips, and it was suggested to them that these weren't landing lights, but part of the operation of some device or other. So maybe the lights seen on UFOs are the equivalent of the LED indicators we have on various devices, to show us if they're on or not. Or maybe the lights are some kind of scanning device, camera, etc. Or maybe I'm talking utter shite, so I'd best shut up now.
I'm reading Captured: The Betty and Barney Hill UFO Experience at the moment. The craft the Hills encountered had two small wing-like objects which came out of the sides of it, with red lights on the tips, and it was suggested to them that these weren't landing lights, but part of the operation of some device or other. So maybe the lights seen on UFOs are the equivalent of the LED indicators we have on various devices, to show us if they're on or not. Or maybe the lights are some kind of scanning device, camera, etc. Or maybe I'm talking utter shite, so I'd best shut up now
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Rick Deckard
Paranormal Maven
Siani said:
I'm beginning to find these sorts of questions quite amusing now and your reply pretty much sums up the reason why...
...we can only speculate.
Siani said:Or maybe I'm talking utter shite, so I'd best shut up now
No more than the rest of us.
So, do aliens prefer coke or pepsi?
Will they vote Clinton or Obama?
What's their stance on ID cards?
Graphimancer
Skilled Investigator
The answer may shock you.
I don't know specifically why ufo need running lights. I do know their search lights have been known to cause UV burns and in rare cases cancer.
What most people don't understand is that alien technology is only about a hundred years ahead of our own at this point. They bend space/time, and cross diminsional boundaries, and go invisible, and so forth. We are messing with that now ourselves. Almost any of the other technologies they use, we are in the testing and r&d and limited use field ourselves.
Think that's ridiculous? That they must be "millions of years" advanced over us? It's not ridiculous at all. Why do they crash so often? Why can our our missiles or perhaps radars bring them down? It's because they are not as advanced as everyone thinks they are.
Sure, they are three or four generations past cutting edge human science. Sure, we may have sped up our technology level by back engineering their tech. In the end, that reinforces the argument.
Running lights, when not part of the propulsion system, are probably for the very purpose of getting out attention.
That's my humble opinion.
I don't know specifically why ufo need running lights. I do know their search lights have been known to cause UV burns and in rare cases cancer.
What most people don't understand is that alien technology is only about a hundred years ahead of our own at this point. They bend space/time, and cross diminsional boundaries, and go invisible, and so forth. We are messing with that now ourselves. Almost any of the other technologies they use, we are in the testing and r&d and limited use field ourselves.
Think that's ridiculous? That they must be "millions of years" advanced over us? It's not ridiculous at all. Why do they crash so often? Why can our our missiles or perhaps radars bring them down? It's because they are not as advanced as everyone thinks they are.
Sure, they are three or four generations past cutting edge human science. Sure, we may have sped up our technology level by back engineering their tech. In the end, that reinforces the argument.
Running lights, when not part of the propulsion system, are probably for the very purpose of getting out attention.
That's my humble opinion.
Rick Deckard
Paranormal Maven
Scott Story said:
Scott Story said:
So, what you meant to say was "My opinion may shock you"?
Graphimancer
Skilled Investigator
Sure.
Nothing matters here if we don't challenge preconceptions and take the subject to a more rarified level.
Nothing matters here if we don't challenge preconceptions and take the subject to a more rarified level.
Rick Deckard
Paranormal Maven
Siani said:
Okay, tangent time - tinfoil hats...
...might not be such a stupid idea, when you consider that we are surrounded by countless electromagnetic fields generated by everything from your mobile phone, to your PC's wi-fi connection.
Now, the human brain is full of electrical activity - it is often measured in experiments that are trying to unlock our thought processes.
So, are all these electromagnetic fields having a detrimental effect on the human brain? Could ordinary technologies be used to generate a 'pacifying' brain frequency or one that interrupts our higher-levels of thinking? Studies have shown that the flickering screens of TV's can have an hypnotic effect, so what about electromagnetic fields? If they have a similar affect, then a tinfoil hat probably wouldn't shield you from the fields, but a Faraday cage might!
You can buy micro-fine wire mesh in large sheets - it's used to shield sensitive electronics - why not create a 'quiet room' in your house by completely covering the walls with it and then seeing if you feel 'different'. You might discover a clarity of thought you never knew you had...but don't bother taking your mobile with you, it won't work in there.
Ahhh. I'm glad I got that bit of useless thinking out of my head - I've made a little room for something more useful...
Rick Deckard said:Siani said:
Okay, tangent time - tinfoil hats...
...might not be such a stupid idea, when you consider that we are surrounded by countless electromagnetic fields generated by everything from your mobile phone, to your PC's wi-fi connection.
Now, the human brain is full of electrical activity - it is often measured in experiments that are trying to unlock our thought processes.
So, are all these electromagnetic fields having a detrimental effect on the human brain? Could ordinary technologies be used to generate a 'pacifying' brain frequency or one that interrupts our higher-levels of thinking? Studies have shown that the flickering screens of TV's can have an hypnotic effect, so what about electromagnetic fields? If they have a similar affect, then a tinfoil hat probably wouldn't shield you from the fields, but a Faraday cage might!
You can buy micro-fine wire mesh in large sheets - it's used to shield sensitive electronics - why not create a 'quiet room' in your house by completely covering the walls with it and then seeing if you feel 'different'. You might discover a clarity of thought you never knew you had...but don't bother taking your mobile with you, it won't work in there.
Ahhh. I'm glad I got that bit of useless thinking out of my head - I've made a little room for something more useful...
Let me try this again. I guess I am being affected by all the energies around here.
I would love to have a queit-type of room somewhere in my living quarters.
I do not own a cell phone because they hurt my ears. I do feel TVs, computers and all the other crap floating around. I am sure I am not alone in being sensitive to these fields.
As far as why do UFOs need lights.....The only thing I can think of is that extremely bright lights, in some UFO cases, effects our (humans) physiology. Have you ever had your eyes checkd out by an ophthalmologist?
I would love to have a queit-type of room somewhere in my living quarters.
I do not own a cell phone because they hurt my ears. I do feel TVs, computers and all the other crap floating around. I am sure I am not alone in being sensitive to these fields.
As far as why do UFOs need lights.....The only thing I can think of is that extremely bright lights, in some UFO cases, effects our (humans) physiology. Have you ever had your eyes checkd out by an ophthalmologist?
Scott Story said:
i tend to agree, and i think it was the scott ramsey episide of the aztec 1948 case that mentions a collision between one of ours and one of theirs.
our planes have radar sensing systems and computer generated alarms but collisions occur.
the US are the leaders in "Stealth" aircraft technology, knowing the natives have a bent towards that kind of thing and relying on technology to do your sensing , youd be taking a risk sitting up in the sky in a dark craft with no lights.
it could also be deceptive mimicry, ie all our flying machines have lights, one that doesnt sticks out.
up in the air lights on an object in the distance could be the difference between flying on and ignoring them, or flying closer to see what it is.
Rick Deckard
Paranormal Maven
mike said:
Here in the UK, we have lots of 'boy racers' who drive around with the fog-lights on because 'it looks cool'.
Perhaps they have ET boy racers who can't resist bolting a bit of neon on the underside of their chariots just for the purpose of looking cool...
Rick Deckard
Paranormal Maven
TClaeys said:
Did someone say "Vril"? No? I must have dreamt it then...
It depends on which lights you are talking about.
1. Many ufos are described as being sort of glowing in a variety of colors in an apparent self-luminous manner.
2. Many also appear to have what could be described as actual blinking or strobing lights.
3. Many are associated with observance of projected beams of light.
In regards to the self-luminous type of glow, and as I am a Paul Hill fanboy lately, his theory in Unconventional Flying Objects goes like this:
"It is a sheath of ionized and excited air molecules often called a plasma. It has all the many characteristics of ionized and excited air molecules, and has no characteristics not attributable to ionized and excited air molecules with expected contaminants;"
"The phenomenon of ionized and excited atmospheric molecules around a UFO also ties together a number of related mysteries about the UFO. It accounts for the general, nighttime appearance of the UFO: the many observed colors, the fiery, neon-like look, the self-illuminating character, the fuzzy, indefinite or even indiscernible outline, yet an appearance of solidity behind the light. It also accounts for the general lack of heat radiation despite the fact that they sometimes look fiery or even like a flaming ball of fire, and even the ultraviolet burns sometimes received by close viewers of UFOs with a blue plasma. In the daytime the same plasma is present, but usually invisible. Morning and evening, it is partly visible."
"The ion sheath also accounts for some daytime UFO characteristics such as a shimmering haze, nebulosity of the atmosphere or even smoke-like effects sometimes observed when high contaminant concentrations and chemical actions may be presumed to be present." (Recall the hockey puck ufo video from Mexico City in which you can see this smoke-like effect. Where can you find dirtier air than Mexico City?)
"Of all the visible colors, red and orange correspond to the least energy... They are also the two most common colors associated with UFO low-power operation, such as hovering or or low-power maneuvers. ... Blue, white, and blue-white are the common colors at high-power operation. The blue of the high-power maneuver or high-speed operation corresponds to the strong radiation peaks of nitrogen..."
"...the observed atmospheric colors are a by-product of the power plant radiation quite dependent on the properties of the atmosphere."
As for the blinking/strobing lights, one idea is that a plasma sheath as Hill described would prevent penetration of radio waves and the craft may be forced to use light sequences as well as unique, highly visible pre-defined maneuvers to communicate with other craft:
"While the plasma sheath is at a maximum, there is a complete radio communications blackout, for even the radio frequencies can't pass through the critical plasma thickness."
Nowadays we have relatively cheap gigabit ethernet over laser technology so blinky lights as communication might be something along those lines.
Some lights may be navigation or running lights. Beamed lights have been associated w/ searchlight functions, disabling vehicles and paralysis. Large beams may be columns of ionized air related to the propulsion field.
Hill's ideas are the most well-reasoned I've run across thus far. Take 'em or leave 'em.
1. Many ufos are described as being sort of glowing in a variety of colors in an apparent self-luminous manner.
2. Many also appear to have what could be described as actual blinking or strobing lights.
3. Many are associated with observance of projected beams of light.
In regards to the self-luminous type of glow, and as I am a Paul Hill fanboy lately, his theory in Unconventional Flying Objects goes like this:
"It is a sheath of ionized and excited air molecules often called a plasma. It has all the many characteristics of ionized and excited air molecules, and has no characteristics not attributable to ionized and excited air molecules with expected contaminants;"
"The phenomenon of ionized and excited atmospheric molecules around a UFO also ties together a number of related mysteries about the UFO. It accounts for the general, nighttime appearance of the UFO: the many observed colors, the fiery, neon-like look, the self-illuminating character, the fuzzy, indefinite or even indiscernible outline, yet an appearance of solidity behind the light. It also accounts for the general lack of heat radiation despite the fact that they sometimes look fiery or even like a flaming ball of fire, and even the ultraviolet burns sometimes received by close viewers of UFOs with a blue plasma. In the daytime the same plasma is present, but usually invisible. Morning and evening, it is partly visible."
"The ion sheath also accounts for some daytime UFO characteristics such as a shimmering haze, nebulosity of the atmosphere or even smoke-like effects sometimes observed when high contaminant concentrations and chemical actions may be presumed to be present." (Recall the hockey puck ufo video from Mexico City in which you can see this smoke-like effect. Where can you find dirtier air than Mexico City?)
"Of all the visible colors, red and orange correspond to the least energy... They are also the two most common colors associated with UFO low-power operation, such as hovering or or low-power maneuvers. ... Blue, white, and blue-white are the common colors at high-power operation. The blue of the high-power maneuver or high-speed operation corresponds to the strong radiation peaks of nitrogen..."
"...the observed atmospheric colors are a by-product of the power plant radiation quite dependent on the properties of the atmosphere."
As for the blinking/strobing lights, one idea is that a plasma sheath as Hill described would prevent penetration of radio waves and the craft may be forced to use light sequences as well as unique, highly visible pre-defined maneuvers to communicate with other craft:
"While the plasma sheath is at a maximum, there is a complete radio communications blackout, for even the radio frequencies can't pass through the critical plasma thickness."
Nowadays we have relatively cheap gigabit ethernet over laser technology so blinky lights as communication might be something along those lines.
Some lights may be navigation or running lights. Beamed lights have been associated w/ searchlight functions, disabling vehicles and paralysis. Large beams may be columns of ionized air related to the propulsion field.
Hill's ideas are the most well-reasoned I've run across thus far. Take 'em or leave 'em.