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I know it's been done to death but, Whitley Strieber...

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Muadib

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So, from time to time I check out Whitley's site, UnknownCountry.com, sometimes they have interesting fringe type science stories and I would consider myself a fan of Whitley's books. I have my doubts about the truth of some of his experiences, mainly due to his sometimes evolving narratives about the circumstances in some of his stories. For example, I listened to a few Dreamland episodes and in one episode he discussed receiving his implant, in this particular episode he said he "listened as he heard people approach his house from the woods" and "his alarm system was in perfect working order, but it never went off" now contrast this with another episode where he claimed that "he heard the crunch of his gravel driveway as a car pulled up" and "his alarm system was defeated by some unknown, localized magnetic field." Seems kind of odd to me but I suppose he just might have been in a rush and forgotten to add these details that were contained in the later interview. Who knows.

My intent with this thread isn't to explore the truth about Mr. Striebers many strange events, but to bring up something I saw someone refer to in another thread. Whitley seems to be developing a new form of religion/spirituality that I would describe as a mixture between environmental catastrophism, common Christianity, and a dash of conspiracy theory mixed with the paranormal. Anyone who reads his books is probably aware of "The Master of the Key" a strange gentleman who confronted Whitley in his hotel room one night and made some predictions that Whitley claims have come true. Combine that with his website and its "meditation group" in which Whitley and his followers all meditate at the same time every night in an attempt to reach out to higher consciousness's and you may be able to see Mr. Strieber setting himself up as some kind of prophet bringing a new way to the masses. Observe this journal entry where he talks about his meditation group taking the next step and you have to begin to wonder if he's setting himself up as the prophet of some new age, UFO contactee religion. Maybe it's just me, but I'm curious as to what everyone thinks about this. I don't personally have a lot of reverence for religion so I can't say I'm offended by it, but I'm also not impressed with it in the least. So what does everyone else think, am I reading too much into it or do you agree? Here's the journal entry I spoke of before:

The New UFO Wave and Contact
Thursday, January 17, 2013
There's an old fashioned 'UFO flap' going on at present. I don't think that it's because of new methods of communication like YouTube and the tendency of the internet to amplify provocative claims. There isn't really any online hysteria about it, at least not yet. In fact, the community of interested parties is quite calm so maybe this time the crazies and the hoaxers will look in other directions. Wishful thinking, probably, and I suppose they have their place.

While I would never predict anything, it is always possible that a more emergent general experience could be available to us if we want it. Nobody is going to land on the White House Lawn, I don't think, but it may be that concerted group effort will bring a new level of encounter.

I want to recount a dream I had a few nights ago. After I had it, I counted it as a vivid dream and nothing more, but subsequent events have made me wonder if it might not have broader implications.

In the dream, I was outside with Anne at night, in an exurban setting. I had the feeling that we were at a conference of some sort, and I had just stepped out of the hotel. I saw three magnificent UFOs. They were huge, the size of buildings, and of an unusual ship-like shape that I associate with a time-travel experience I once had. I mention this because it might have some significance on two levels. First, it is a reminder that the whole UFO phenomenon may or may not be associated with aliens. Second, to be really engaged with the phenomenon, we absolutely must remain in question about what it is.

These three objects were perhaps a thousand feet long and the size of twenty story buildings, set back in layers. There were hundreds of lit windows. I ran outside fumbling with my iPhone in my dream, and yelling, "we've got company, get out here!" to all who could hear me. I was hoping against hope that these things would land. Incredibly, one of them did. I thought to myself, 'they're making contact at last,' and I wondered if the knowledge I have gained over the years would be of any use in the process. I hoped that I would not be overlooked by whomever was going to lead the way on this, and that I would be able to put my experience to use in as general and practical a way as possible.

As I ran up to this enormous machine, sitting there effortlessly in the air at an altitude of about three feet, I saw a man in a dark blue uniform step out of it and begin moving toward me. He was pretty tall and looked reasonably human in general terms. He came up to me. I stood there for a moment, then reached out my hand. He took my hand and forearm in both of his hands in a warm and embracing gesture.

Then he looked me in the eye with a concerned, quizzical expression on his face and said, "What do we do now?"

And therein lies the truth: this is up to us. I am expecting that our virtual meditation group on Unknowncountry will soon be able to take the next step. It's why I originally formed it. The group members are working together well. I and others feel a definite gestalt when we meditate together, even though we are separated by thousands of miles. If we are to move ahead, communication of this kind, at first among ourselves, then later in a more extended way, is absolutely essential.

It is also essential that we try to think about this whole experience in a new way. Specifically, we need to replace the various shorthands with which we approach the whole phenomenon from UFOs to visitors and close encounters to all of the effects that accompany them. Some of us assume that we're dealing with alien contact. Others that it's a matter of parallel universes coming together. Others see this as a production of the human mind, although not one that we understand.

The list of assumptions is long. But that's all any of them are: assumptions. We need, in our minds, to place something in front of those assumptions, which is the question. This is all in question. Nobody really knows what's going on. At such a time in this in history, an open mind is the basis of progress. If we close the question too soon, we risk losing our way.

Let me explain why I think this way. I am a man who has moved through time, traveled into what appeared to be a parallel universe, been abducted by apparent aliens, challenged them and been exposed to 11 years of education which involved the implosion of the barrier between the living and the dead and enabled me to engage in three years of meditation with somebody who presented themselves as living between lives. I have had an implant put in my ear by two people under circumstances of extreme strangeness. I have found myself face to face with a man in a hotel room who looked entirely human, but who offered what are some of the most sublime and masterful words I have ever heard spoken. I have had an eye opened in my mind that enables extraordinary vision across space and time.

So, who's responsible for all this? Aliens? The dead? Not at all. I am responsible for my life in contact, for that's what it is. I am living right now a life that is in some ways a prototype, and so are a lot of other people in contact, whether struggling with it or living with it.

Over the next few months, the meditation group will, I hope, begin to take a posture on a group level similar to the one I took on a personal level, that opened my mind to the possibilities that I was and am able to entertain. In fact, I am sure this will happen.

It would also be nice if the Air Force would stop sending up jets.
 
As stated elsewhere Streiber is setting himself up for profit as the new UFO prophet. Those masterful and sublime words from his meeting with god in the hotel room makes me laugh. Did he really run out of ideas already or is this just Greer jealousy?

BTW it also has all the trappings of the Madame Blavatsky story where she also went on a hero's quest, saw strange things, was trained by the mystic and will now write his sacred torah down for you to buy at $14.95. I'm very disappointed in his lack of imagination on this one. This fits too any previous patterns to be worth much time.

Regardless, Christopher Walken kept me riveted in 'Communion' - a media product wth more bang for your $.
 
Whitely, ah Whitley.

To answer the question posed on this thread if Whitely is attempting to be some kind of prophet for a a new religion i can only give you my impressions after some 25 years of following quite closely his information.

I remember hearing something from Anne Streiber where she herself said its a great danger to put Whitley on a pedestal. Yet Don't forget the Dreamland festivals where Whitley in person leads guided meditations.

As for the cult angle i really got that vibe with the last book i actually read from Whitley, Secret School. I came away really getting that "cultist" vibe by the end of the book. In it he had made predictions that simply did not come to pass. I really felt Whitely was grasping for new material with the whole *Visitor* angle.

Ed Conroy who wrote Report of Communion mentioned some very interesting connections with Whitley's early life and the occult and even darker paths he explored. There is a great Google video up of Conroy giving a lecture on this whole thing during a time Whitley had retreated from public life. I think someone even posted a link in these Paracast forums, check the older Whitely thread.

As for the master of the key, my gut tells me personally there is something ...just off...about that story. Maybe he did meet a small old native Canadian man who spoke to him in a near sleep state. However the level of detail he recalled when writing the book seems to me at the very least imaginative and embellished later by Whitley.

"I wanted more information about him, and at that point, he said, 'Would you drink this.' He was holding a glass in his hand and it had something in it that looked like milk, and without questioning it, I drank it immediately and it put me to sleep right away."

That always seemed BAT S**T CRAZY to me.

When Whitely lost his cabin it was directly because people stopped buying his books, in droves. Because he could never present any evidence for his experiences the public ended up dismissing him.

He impacted more peoples lives with that cover of the Communion book, even if the appearance was wrong as some claim, at least he got the image of the "visitors" into modern mythology.

For me personally i do believe, because its all i can do with Whitley's story is believe, i do believe he had some kind of experiences with the unknown for lack of a better term.

I think these experiences peaked when we he occupied his cabin in upstate New York and like a half life the experiences receded. Again i remember an interview where Whitley Himself thinks that the location of his cabin played a tremendous role in his experiences.

I've heard Whitley voice, heard him tell his stories for over 2 decades and there truly is sincerity in him.

Finally, i guess i have a soft spot in my Heart for Whit, i think reality and imagination blurs at times with him, but it seems he has had a lifetime of VERY odd experiences.

I mean who is this guy hurting by having everyone meditate at the same time every week? If he creates a religion out of this it probably wouldn't be the first attempt at that ;)

Maybe we should treat Whitley like the *visitors* supposedly told Patrolman Herbert Schirmer in 1967 how they wanted to be treated. They allegedly told him

“We want you to believe in us, but not too much.”

Sound good to me ;)
 
As stated elsewhere Streiber is setting himself up for profit as the new UFO prophet. Those masterful and sublime words from his meeting with god in the hotel room makes me laugh. Did he really run out of ideas already or is this just Greer jealousy?

BTW it also has all the trappings of the Madame Blavatsky story where she also went on a hero's quest, saw strange things, was trained by the mystic and will now write his sacred torah down for you to buy at $14.95. I'm very disappointed in his lack of imagination on this one. This fits too any previous patterns to be worth much time.

Regardless, Christopher Walken kept me riveted in 'Communion' - a media product wth more bang for your $.

Yeah, it was your comment in another thread that inspired this thread. Profit as the new UFO prophet, it's an interesting thought but I don't know if it's exactly working out for him, his book sales have been slumping for a long time now and he's all but disappeared from everything but his own website and Coast to Coast. I'm not 100% sure the guy is purely money motivated, I'm sure it does play a large part but I tend to think that Whitley does believe in the things that come out of his mouth. Maybe that's just naivete on my part.

I don't know if the Master of the Key was meant to be god, I've never heard of him refer to it like that, his guesses have been more along the lines of typical paranormal ideas, time travelers from the future, artificial humans or a member of an obscure tribe of Canadian natives. (not making that last one up) Still the result is the same, he evokes images of revelation handed down to Moses on the mountain top, only now it's updated for the new millenium and the mountain top has become the top of the Hilton in LA or wherever he was. His wife thinks it was himself from the future, at least in public, I think something like that would be more in tune with his target audience, rather than claiming god as the source of his revelation, after all, if you're happy with typical Christianity, you don't go seeking a UFO religion and I'm definitely starting to think that's Whitley's ultimate goal. It will be interesting to see where this goes, that's for sure.

As for Madame Blavatsky, I wasn't aware of her hero's quest but I find that very interesting, because I know Whitley probably was as he's referred to her in some of his books. I'll have to look up that specific story and see if I can find any more similarities. Can't say I was a huge fan of Communion, the Jim Henson like muppet aliens turned me off in a big way, though Walken is almost always amazing. He wound up thinking that Whitley was a bit off, shall we say, based on his behavior on the movie set and the source material, I think he might have been onto something with that, rather than assuming he's motivated by greed.
 
Whitely, ah Whitley.

To answer the question posed on this thread if Whitely is attempting to be some kind of prophet for a a new religion i can only give you my impressions after some 25 years of following quite closely his information.

I remember hearing something from Anne Streiber where she herself said its a great danger to put Whitley on a pedestal. Yet Don't forget the Dreamland festivals where Whitley in person leads guided meditations.

As for the cult angle i really got that vibe with the last book i actually read from Whitley, Secret School. I came away really getting that "cultist" vibe by the end of the book. In it he had made predictions that simply did not come to pass. I really felt Whitely was grasping for new material with the whole *Visitor* angle.

Ed Conroy who wrote Report of Communion mentioned some very interesting connections with Whitley's early life and the occult and even darker paths he explored. There is a great Google video up of Conroy giving a lecture on this whole thing during a time Whitley had retreated from public life. I think someone even posted a link in these Paracast forums, check the older Whitely thread.

As for the master of the key, my gut tells me personally there is something ...just off...about that story. Maybe he did meet a small old native Canadian man who spoke to him in a near sleep state. However the level of detail he recalled when writing the book seems to me at the very least imaginative and embellished later by Whitley.

Straight from the Wiki page "He also claimed the stranger handed him a vial of unknown white liquid, instructed him to drink it, and he did."

That always seemed BAT S**T CRAZY to me.

When Whitely lost his cabin it was directly because people stopped buying his books, in droves. Because he could never present any evidence for his experiences the public ended up dismissing him.

He impacted more peoples lives with that cover of the Communion book, even if the appearance was wrong as some claim, at least he got the image of the "visitors" into modern mythology.

For me personally i do believe, because its all i can do with Whitley's story is believe, i do believe he had some kind of experiences with the unknown for lack of a better term.

I think these experiences peaked when we he occupied his cabin in upstate New York and like a half life the experiences receded. Again i remember an interview where Whitley Himself thinks that the location of his cabin played a tremendous role in his experiences.

I've heard Whitley voice, heard him tell his stories for over 2 decades and there truly is sincerity in him.

Finally, i guess i have a soft spot in my Heart for Whit, i think reality and imagination blurs at times with him, but it seems he has had a lifetime of VERY odd experiences.

I mean who is this guy hurting by having everyone meditate at the same time every week? If he creates a religion out of this it probably wouldn't be the first attempt at that ;)

Maybe we should treat Whitley like the *visitors* supposedly told Patrolman Herbert Schirmer in 1967 how they wanted to be treated. They allegedly told him

“We want you to believe in us, but not too much.”

Sound good to me ;)

Great points Ward. The thing with the Master of the Key giving him a liquid to drink is actually pretty common with a lot of alien abduction stories, so I can see where he might have lifted that detail. I tend to agree with you on Whitley's sincerity and the fact that he blurs reality and imagination at times. Like I said in the post, I'm not reverent when it comes to religion so this doesn't bother me per say, I just find it incredibly interesting, I probably would have been equally interested by Hubbard and how he started Scientology had I been alive at the time.

If you can post that clip you spoke of I would be eternally grateful, I've read the other Whitley threads that have been around since I've been here and I don't remember seeing it, I'd love to check it out.
 
Well it seems those videos are gone, thanks to the temorar(isnis???) of the internet.

After doing some of my Google-fu ( what am i just making up words now) i cannot seem to locate it.

It was on Google video and i can find the link but they all go to you-tube now and say video unavailable.

However i do have strong impression i downloaded it somewhere at some time, BUT i can't seem to find it right now... UGH

I'll keep looking as it really was a great lecture (minus his darn kid crying for most of the lecture Double UGH)

Yeah i was aware of the liquid thing in other contactee stories as well Maudib, but what was so weird to me was he talks 45 minutes to this guy then he hands him this liquid. I mean was he holding it when he entered his room? Did he remove it from a bag? Where did it come from. A man handing another man a glass of white fluid and asking him to drink and he does so "without questioning it" it reeks of someone needing modern psycho-analysis all over it.
 
Well it seems those videos are gone, thanks to the temorar(isnis???) of the internet.

After doing some of my Google-fu ( what am i just making up words now) i cannot seem to locate it.

It was on Google video and i can find the link but they all go to you-tube now and say video unavailable.

However i do have strong impression i downloaded it somewhere at some time, BUT i can't seem to find it right now... UGH

I'll keep looking as it really was a great lecture (minus his darn kid crying for most of the lecture Double UGH)

Yeah i was aware of the liquid thing in other contactee stories as well Maudib, but what was so weird to me was he talks 45 minutes to this guy then he hands him this liquid. I mean was he holding it when he entered his room? Did he remove it from a bag? Where did it come from. A man handing another man a glass of white fluid and asking him to drink and he does so "without questioning it" it reeks of someone needing modern psycho-analysis all over it.

Well, thank you for searching, if you can find it please throw it up here as it's piqued my curiosity, I'll see if I can dig anything up myself.

The liquid thing is definitely weird, if some strange goofball comes knocking at my door at 1 in the morning wanting to talk for an hour, I don't care how insightful he may or may not be, I'm not drinking something he hands me. You're correct that Freud would have a field day with that one.

Whitley claims to be able to see "across time and space" is he the Kwisatz Haderach? Only time will tell.:p
 
A lot of what we take away from Streiber's work is dependent on our assumptions about him as a person and his experiences. This is in sharp contrast to authors like Timothy Good ( Above Top Secret ) or Jerome Clark ( UFO Encyclopedia ) who take a more objective and journalistic approach. Consequently, Streiber's works are less a part of ufology studies and more a part of ufology culture. To what extent are they true? Streiber interjects factoids and references to real world events into his dialog and most of those factoids bear some resemblance to reality. The rest we simply don't know. He was first and foremost a fiction writer, and his non-fiction books contain fiction as well. Sometimes it is intentional for the sake of illustration e.g. The Coming Global Superstorm, other times it just seems to be a natural part of his creative process. We might categorize this style as a genre all its own, neither fiction nor non-fiction, but something more along the lines of docufiction or modern mythology, and what we're witnessing is Streiber exploring this genre as a professional author and nothing more.

In one of the posts above there was a reference to The Secret School, a book about Whitley's journey back into forgotten memories from his childhood. This book resonated with me on a personal level because of my own childhood experiences. I sincerely believe many children have experiences of a similar nature, but that they are routinely dismissed by adults as being nothing more than childhood fantasies. But at the same time, don't get me wrong. I'm not stating one way or another that I believe Streiber's specific claims are true or false, only that because his stories have roots in unexplained phenomena, on a purely subjective level they constitute an interesting and sometimes entertaining aspect of ufology culture.

Trivia: In the TV series Babylon 5, there is an alien race that is similar to the Greys in Communion. This race is named the Streib after Whitley Strieber.
 
We might categorize this style as a genre all its own, neither fiction nor non-fiction, but something more along the lines of docufiction or modern mythology, and what we're witnessing is Streiber exploring this genre as a professional author and nothing more.


I agree with that, as it's my general perception of the paranormal field as a whole. At least, the part of the paranormal that goes beyond fundamental observation. Streiber, JC Johnson, Brad Steiger, and others, who tend to spin tales beyond evidence, I think all participate in a somewhat experimental form of storytelling that requires a stronger suspension of disbelief than media that can be readily identified as objectively fictitious (opinions regarding the value of the things they say are beyond the point). I have called it a neo-folk art type of fiction narrative, but modern mythology works just as well. It's a type of media that requires a very specific approach to consumption on the part of the listener to work properly, very similarly to the way people process religion (but without the guilt or the rules).

There could be an argument that the required suspension of disbelief, and it's similarity to the psychological functions of religion, make it a somewhat potentially dangerous form of media. It would be very easy to use it to create a group of dedicated followers that could grow into something more, once you've used your narrative to establish yourself as "special," "enlightened," or the living example of a particular desirable state that all people should aspire to reach, all of which Streiber seems to allude to repeatedly. It has certainly happened before with sects like the Heaven's Gate folks or even Scientology, as mentioned. UFO cults are a very real thing.

Whether or not that is actually Streiber's intent, or if he's just a really introverted and self absorbed guy is difficult to say. Seeing as how it's been a good number of decades and he's made little strides in the direction of cult formation, other than his meditation groups, I'd say he's just a narcissist who really likes when people listen to him spin yarns.
 
There could be an argument that the required suspension of disbelief, and it's similarity to the psychological functions of religion, make it a somewhat potentially dangerous form of media.

I hesitate when I hear phrases like, "... dangerous form of media." because arguments have been made against many types of media from "subversive literature" to Playboy to rock n' roll to video games. IMO it's more dangerous to start labeling forms of inquiry and expression as "dangerous" than it is to allow people the freedom to express themselves in a physically non-hostile manner. All that being said, It's not that you don't have a point either. Someone once said that the most powerful weapon is an idea, and I'm no big fan of indoctrination or psychological programming. Perhaps that leaves us with a responsibility to provide a more balanced view for those who might otherwise fall victim to some cult or religion.
 
I too like listening to Whitley - his imagination is great. I read communion a long time ago and I could probably have given him his abduction experiences as true had it all stopped there. But like many who find any measure of fame in this field, it seems the ante must be upped and the masses fed more and more. I don't know when I started to think of Whitley as a fraud (well in as much as the latter 'experiences' anyway) but anyway, I do. It's hard enough to accept people being abducted but for him to think people should swallow that in addition to all the alien contact etc, he travels time, has a 3rd eye and can speak to the dead - oh and he is given 'revelations' by a greater knowledge?

Muadib - you have hit the nail square on the head IMO. In my own mind I hadn't actually formed the idea that he was heading for self-promoted spiritual leader, even though all the signs were there. I could not agree more. Perhaps it wasn't his plan all along but let's face it, he has been going a step further all along and what next step makes more sense (to him) than some kind of guru? I commented on a video Whitley had uploaded, asking him to appear on the Paracast and I wasn't being funny with him, nor trying to goad him into coming and us have a go at him. Who knows if he will ever read the comment but all it said was that if he really experienced (well thinks he did) all the things he tells the public, then he has zero to fear from coming on the show. If he is sincere, then there can be no awkward questions etc. It is his reluctance to appear - and apparently make lame excuses and claiming not to remember Gene from earlier etc- that make him look stupid, not his claims themselves, cos plenty guests have made wild claims on this show - but as long as they appear sincere and willing to defend themselves there is no problem.

I think if we watch Mr Streiber closely over the next year, Muadib's worries over Whitley may become very well founded.
 
... I don't know when I started to think of Whitley as a fraud (well in as much as the latter 'experiences' anyway) but anyway, I do ...

Interesting question. I've never really considered Strieber's work to be either true or fraudulent. Ive just filed them on the shelf along with other abduction/contactee work under the general heading of ufology culture. But if we were to press the point, is there a valid case to label docufiction fraud? Although docufiction is primarily used in reference to film, I think that it's safe to apply the same principle to written works. In a sense what we're saying when we use the word "docufiction" is "I'm presenting something as true, but heavily embellished". Is embellishment the same as lying? I would propose that with Strieber it would be reasonable to assume that as a fiction writer, he is simply creating stories in his own style and that we should be expected to understand that there is likely to be a lot of embellishment, and therefore caveat emptor ( as Gene says ).

But I think an equally valid case could be made that when we claim something is true under the banner of docufiction, there should be some rating that alerts us to it being docufiction and gives us an idea about how much is embellished and how much is true. This might seem a little radical, but if we can put ratings on media for age appropriate content based on violence or sexuality, why not for truth? We have false advertising regulations. How is that really any different? We pay money for the books or films based on the premise that they are true. Should we not have the right to expect that they therefore are true? On a scale of one to nine where nine is the highest amount of fiction, where would we rate Strieber? To make this interesting I've created a new poll here: Docufiction In Ufology | The Paracast Community Forums
 
Interesting question. I've never really considered Strieber's work to be either true or fraudulent. Ive just filed them on the shelf along with other abduction/contactee work under the general heading of ufology culture. But if we were to press the point, is there a valid case to label docufiction fraud? Although docufiction is primarily used in reference to film, I think that it's safe to apply the same principle to written works. In a sense what we're saying when we use the word "docufiction" is "I'm presenting something as true, but heavily embellished". Is embellishment the same as lying? I would propose that with Strieber it would be reasonable to assume that as a fiction writer, he is simply creating stories in his own style and that we should be expected to understand that there is likely to be a lot of embellishment, and therefore caveat emptor ( as Gene says ).

But I think an equally valid case could be made that when we claim something is true under the banner of docufiction, there should be some rating that alerts us to it being docufiction and gives us an idea about how much is embellished and how much is true. This might seem a little radical, but if we can put ratings on media for age appropriate content based on violence or sexuality, why not for truth? We have false advertising regulations. How is that really any different? We pay money for the books or films based on the premise that they are true. Should we not have the right to expect that they therefore are true? On a scale of one to nine where nine is the highest amount of fiction, where would we rate Strieber? To make this interesting I've created a new poll here: Docufiction In Ufology | The Paracast Community Forums

Here's my only question about this interpretation and just to be clear, I'm kind of with you, I've never really been too concerned about whether Whitley was 100% truthful or not. I've been reading his books and listening to him in various formats since I was a teenager and he strikes me as someone who sincerely believes most of the things that he says, like I said that could just be naivete on my part, but it hasn't ever really mattered that much to me. There are certain stories that I think he either has made up just to remain relevant in the UFO/paranormal field or just imagined, like the one I listed in the OP.

Having said that, why would you label his books docufiction when they're already clearly labeled? He has books that are labeled as fiction and others that are non fiction. He's very clear about the distinction between the two as well, in some of his fiction he even goes as far as to say that it's based on things that he's heard or believes, but cannot prove. Communion, Transformation, Breakthrough, Confirmation, Secret School, Master of the Key, and Solving the Communion Enigma are all labeled non fiction, while his other books like Majestic, The Grays, Hybrids and the 2012 series are labeled as fiction, but could be considered docufiction since Whitley himself says they are part facts he cannot prove and part fiction, the others, not so much. So why do you think it's valid to say we should consider them all fictional when it's clear that the author and publisher does not present them as such?
 
Just caught up with an episode of A Mysteries on Dest America, where Whitley was their subject. He can be quite convincing, when sticking to his first, perhaps original encounter that supposedly launched him into the abduction world. What I found unusual, he talked himself into remaining calm and trying to interact with these creatures as they surrounded his bed one night..
that's when his visitors decided to school him in all things cosmic? I don't know, every case that has held water as far as abduction is concerned- points to a biological interest- capture, procedure/tagging, release. Making one particular human their "go to guy?" Screams too much off the old contactee scenario mixed in with a little abduction.
 
I'm sure this has been already suggested by someone, somewhere in the forum... but, why not try to get Ed Conroy on the show to discuss his book (Report on Communion) and to discuss Strieber? Gene and Chris keep mentioning how they've been trying forever to get Strieber on the show... and the man keeps running in terror. Getting Conroy on might be a way of... getting Strieber on the show, without getting him on. Does that make sense? Maybe it doesn't. Might make for a good show, though. Thoughts, Gene...? An Ed Conroy episode?
 
I'm sure this has been already suggested by someone, somewhere in the forum... but, why not try to get Ed Conroy on the show to discuss his book (Report on Communion) and to discuss Strieber? Gene and Chris keep mentioning how they've been trying forever to get Strieber on the show... and the man keeps running in terror. Getting Conroy on might be a way of... getting Strieber on the show, without getting him on. Does that make sense? Maybe it doesn't. Might make for a good show, though. Thoughts, Gene...? An Ed Conroy episode?

This is a fantastic idea, I read his book once years ago but can't for the life of me remember much from it. It would be awesome if Gene and Chris could make that happen.
 
I'd like to hear that interview, but for some reason it seems Conroy has steered clear of any such thing. Don't recall where I got that idea. His book, Report on Communion, is well worth reading. Assuming Conroy was sane and not lying, it makes Sreiber's early work seem like a lot of it really happened. Conroy was a well respected journalist who had read some of Strieber's horror books and thought he was just using a very clever marketing ploy, but soon changed his mind. As I recall. It has been a long time. Anyway, there is some really interesting stuff in Conroy's book. I've never seen any reason to doubt his honesty.
 
The problem I have with Whitley is that I have perceived that he has become quite a ufology camp follower. I have followed his course via his website and his appearances on Coast to Coast. What I witnessed was a need for Whitley to remain relevant. For example, when ufology ran for awhile with the idea that abductees returned (as some people do from NDE experiences) with psychic abilities, suddenly Whitley proclaimed that he was psychic. This lasted a short while. When Hoagland made the Face on Mars a long running skit on Coast to Coast, suddenly Whitley (in THE SECRET SCHOOL) seemed to state that he was the first to see the Face on Mars as a child being instructed by a "giant moth" at the telescope. Now that the Face on Mars has been discredited in just about everyone's mind, even the incredulous Art Bell, Whitley has dropped this subject like a hot potato. When people began faking "alien drone" videos and photos on the internet, sure 'nuff, Whitley revealed a story on Coast to Coast where he woke up (living in a friend's apartment in Santa Monica) and at the proper angle saw an alien drone that looked exactly like the hoaxed pictures on the internet. He and Linda Moulton Howe ran with this drone thing long after everyone else in ufology had moved on. In listening to DREAMLAND over many years, it has been embarrassing for me how often a guest has tried to tell their story, only to have Whitley interrupt and excitedly declare "Me too! Me too!" If the next trend in ufology was for close encounter witnesses to claim that the aliens were now pink and wore accessorized taffeta prom dresses circa the late 1950's, I don't doubt for a moment that Whitley would be out there waving his hands and yelling "Me too! Me Too!" Very sad.
 
The problem I have with Whitley is that I have perceived that he has become quite a ufology camp follower. I have followed his course via his website and his appearances on Coast to Coast. What I witnessed was a need for Whitley to remain relevant. For example, when ufology ran for awhile with the idea that abductees returned (as some people do from NDE experiences) with psychic abilities, suddenly Whitley proclaimed that he was psychic. This lasted a short while. When Hoagland made the Face on Mars a long running skit on Coast to Coast, suddenly Whitley (in THE SECRET SCHOOL) seemed to state that he was the first to see the Face on Mars as a child being instructed by a "giant moth" at the telescope. Now that the Face on Mars has been discredited in just about everyone's mind, even the incredulous Art Bell, Whitley has dropped this subject like a hot potato. When people began faking "alien drone" videos and photos on the internet, sure 'nuff, Whitley revealed a story on Coast to Coast where he woke up (living in a friend's apartment in Santa Monica) and at the proper angle saw an alien drone that looked exactly like the hoaxed pictures on the internet. He and Linda Moulton Howe ran with this drone thing long after everyone else in ufology had moved on. In listening to DREAMLAND over many years, it has been embarrassing for me how often a guest has tried to tell their story, only to have Whitley interrupt and excitedly declare "Me too! Me too!" If the next trend in ufology was for close encounter witnesses to claim that the aliens were now pink and wore accessorized taffeta prom dresses circa the late 1950's, I don't doubt for a moment that Whitley would be out there waving his hands and yelling "Me too! Me Too!" Very sad.
Very true.
He is like Greer : a fraud and a lier.Only difference : it made him rich.Good luck getting him here.
 
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