I need help on Drone & Issac story

[MarsAve]

I need search help -

Those familiar with the 'Big Basin' CA., Drone photos near Santa Cruz,CA- and later 'Issac' posting about the CARET technology - can someone help me find the original stories on the web. I particulary want to find the posting about the 1st photos - if I remember correctly - they were posted on C2C about a female photo-club leader who submitted photos from a Male club member- later picked up and published by Linda Moulton Howe and Earthfiles.com. earlier this year-and the continuing saga.(Which I highly suspect is phony)

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I have photos( one attached by me) of where the photos were taken -I found the place..!- this puts a very bad light on the whole story and CARET - in my opinion. The person submitting the story of the Drone is now claiming the photos were taken in Big Basin State Park by a bicyclist group. I found the exact spot, and it is NOT in Big Basin State Park..far from it.

Should Linda Moulton Howe retract the whole story if she cannot prove the photos from the bicyclist were taken in Big Basin? I did send them the photos a week ago - but are probably too busy to respond- I haven't heard yet---I disclosed to her website, my true ID so she can verify everything I told her off-line, that I am not faking these - and offered the RAW photos from my digital for independant investigation. What do the readers of this forum think she should do? ( and yes, I know most people think the Drone is phony as I do - but what about Issac and CARET and LMH retracting the whole story and making it public..?)

if the attached photo shows- this photo is the ecaxt location the drone pic was taken, the link above has the original submitted photo to look at both, but I don't know how to put them side by side...but my picture, numbers the tree line and background - same place-tad farther back - but same view. There is more to this photo location I will reveal later -

MarsAve

 

[MarsAve]

here is the original photo I saved off C2C website earlier this year. I had not read another story about another sighting "in" Big Basin State Park - besides this one.....had anyone else..? Compare the photos.


MarsAve

 

[BrandonD]

I need search help -

Those familiar with the 'Big Basin' CA., Drone photos near Santa Cruz,CA- and later 'Issac' posting about the CARET technology - can someone help me find the original stories on the web. I particulary want to find the posting about the 1st photos - if I remember correctly - they were posted on C2C about a female photo-club leader who submitted photos from a Male club member- later picked up and published by Linda Moulton Howe and Earthfiles.com. earlier this year-and the continuing saga.(Which I highly suspect is phony)

Earthfiles.com Subscription

I have photos( one attached by me) of where the photos were taken -I found the place..!- this puts a very bad light on the whole story and CARET - in my opinion. The person submitting the story of the Drone is now claiming the photos were taken in Big Basin State Park by a bicyclist group. I found the exact spot, and it is NOT in Big Basin State Park..far from it.

Should Linda Moulton Howe retract the whole story if she cannot prove the photos from the bicyclist were taken in Big Basin? I did send them the photos a week ago - but are probably too busy to respond- I haven't heard yet---I disclosed to her website, my true ID so she can verify everything I told her off-line, that I am not faking these - and offered the RAW photos from my digital for independant investigation. What do the readers of this forum think she should do? ( and yes, I know most people think the Drone is phony as I do - but what about Issac and CARET and LMH retracting the whole story and making it public..?)

if the attached photo shows- this photo is the ecaxt location the drone pic was taken, the link above has the original submitted photo to look at both, but I don't know how to put them side by side...but my picture, numbers the tree line and background - same place-tad farther back - but same view. There is more to this photo location I will reveal later -

MarsAve

Very good eye MarsAve, the photos are definitely of the same place in my opinion.

 

[MarsAve]

Thanks Brandon -
when I first saw this months ago - I knew it wasn't Big Basin State Park area- not until after I saw the caption on the story by Earthfiles on the link attached did I feel I had to go check this out. I had an idea of where the photo was because of the ridge-line in the back ground - as I used to work in the area.

MarsAve

 

[David Biedny]

MarsAve,,

That's an excellent find, you're dead on, and we all appreciate your work at locating the spot. It's definitely the right location. Forget about LMH retracting anything, it would seem that she's happy not asking any tough questions. That CARET stuff is all fairly silly, though creative, but don't expect the person/people behind that to publicly reveal themselves. Pranksters will be pranksters.

dB

 

[MarsAve]

I need advice on Drone & Issac story

Thank you, db,

now for the rest of the story....I will attempt to attach a google map to show the location, where I took this photo and explain in simple terms why I am doing this. The red X is where I took the photo.

The story on the photos are this,
Location: about 2 miles west of Redwood Gulch Rd, on Hwy 9 in Saratoga,CA-on a hairpin turn, with no parking shoulder at all.

I used to work in this area and know the area well. When the photos 1st showed up on C2C tagged with 'Big Basin' and such - that was very close to home. (I live near San Jose,CA) I saw the photo I attached here, with the alleged Drone on C2C-and I saw the ridge-line in the background and knew it was probably Bogus - because of what the original stated captions were, and where the photos were taken--the dynamics of this area are quite severe - more later on that. The photo I took and posted 1st here - and this is a scoop for Black-Triangles.com - nobody else has them except LMH-website- the direction I took the photo, is on the east side of the road-above a steep canyon- it drops off about 200ft almost straight down-heavily wooded and brush -then levels a bit-and going forward towards the numbered tree line-(and all private property)- one doesn't hang around this area - the eastside, down hill -left curve is a dangerous spot-and I felt uneasy standing here taking the photos...I didn't stay long-for fear of getting hit(I parked downhill safely and walked 1/2 mile up here). Why a group of Bicyclist would stop here, to take photos and 'just happen' to see the Drone is very questionable- and on top of that to label it as 'Big Basin State Park' is another questonable statement- I really doubt they could be mistaken,,especially riding on Highway 9 - is that really a State Park...? NO! Why didn't they just say ''we took the picture on Hwy 9 near Redwood Gulch Rd-in Saratoga - what difference would it have made...?

The reason I write this, is to fight the fraud specialist( pranksters as db calls them) I don't like being lied too,,and I want people to know you may be caught! Isaac's letters now, to me, are all BS - very good, but all BS-even though I defended it on earlier posts- on other threads - I am really pissed at myself for not going up here when I 1st saw the photos. ---------My photos are real!

Ideas: Anybody have any ideas on how to post these photos to C2C and see if they will publish them..? (Any other websites? I'll send the original photos to 3 people(serious only) if you contact me for off line-) But C2C- takes all the other BS photos and post them like every solar flare and light source peeking into a camera lens is a bonafide UFO - I think we ought to come up with some good ideas on how to show them we are 'on to them'..!

Unless the person who took the photos(probably Issac) of the Big Basin Drone comes clean - with all of the photo data-then the whole story about the Drone, and Issac with CARET, is a Fraud,! Well written, but a Fraud- unless they come clean.

I sure would like to see the data and info given to LMH on the Big Basin drone....on the original story - I do remember her posting it as a photo club member taking the photo- then giving it to a female member who contacted C2C or posted them,,then LMH went with it. Then, on the link above to her site-- it's a different photo on the link- but still tagged as a 'Big Basin State Park' but a group of Bicyclist got the picture, according to the caption,,,,,The Capitola,CA Drone photo would be just as fake- the photo next to the telephone pole...Capitola is a heavly traveled tourist city year round - and that pole, Pacific Gas and Electric company is the provider in that area - in fact, they told me it is a Joint Pole- both High Voltage and telephone lines attached - these are usually on main streets for quick service to adjacent homes - yet these were the only photos.....nobody else saw anything?

Thanks for reading.
MarsAve

 

[Aaron LeClair]

All you do is send C2C an e-mail about it I think. Check their site for the e-mail address.

Let us know if they post your images.

 

[tommyball]

Great work, MarsAve.

I'd like to see the story retracted as well, but I think it's unlikely. C2C and Earthfiles both have contact adresses, but I think your research may unfortunately fall on deaf ears.

In fact, when this whole drone thing started, I emailed LMH and C2C to express my opinion that it was probably a fraud (I thought it looked like a 3D artist's portfolio piece) and I also mentioned what had been discussed on this show (Jeff Ritzmann commented that the "alien heiroglyphics" looked just like a Star Wars font). Of course, I received no response.

-todd.

 

[MarsAve]

Thanks to all for the ideas and insight - very much appreciated. You have given me a few ideas....when I try my angle - I'll post it here if it works.

Thanks

MarsAve

 

[dtruth]

Mar 30 2008 Report This!
THERE IS NOT JUST ONE drone, there are 14 drones that were all reported on from May to date. None of them have any source of propulsion. This Capitola story is only one of many. For a more in depth explanation on all drones
Google Alien Casebook - Home
and then go to the "Isaac and the Drones" board.

Just yesterday, the private investigators who are seeking the pole in the Capitola drone, found the photo locations for two other drones. These were in Saratoga California and the story and pictures are here. ALIEN, UFO CASEBOOK FRONTIER

time will tell

 

[icculus]

Most likely you'll have no luck with LMH. (See my post in the other Drone Thread "Chad Drone Explained" Seems like she replies to questions on the drone matter with a form letter these days. I wrote her an email suggesting she authenticate the photos with someone like David, Jeff or Bruce. I gave her my opinion, but admitted that these other guys could shed much more light on the matter and save her time. Personally, I work at Apple and have worked with Pixar on some stuff but it's "art" not real technical stuff. Nonetheless I think I know when I see CGI work. I was really honest and straightforward in my email to her—however she got pretty nasty with me. lol.

Afterall she could very easily establish a litmus test and detect the BS that is obviously coming in from all these Coast to Coast listeners.Her correspondence with me pretty much proves my suspicion that she is not really interested and finding truths, rather perpetuating and packaging stories on the paranormal for her subscriptions and other endeavors.

* Sidenote, I used to live in the bay area. When I saw those drone pictures I had a strong feeling they were in the hills in Saratoga. We used to go hiking there all the time ( Castlerock is one park that comes to mind ) I live on the east coast now so I wasn't in a position to trek out there.

 

[dtruth]

Most likely you'll have no luck with LMH.

thxs...you seem to be level headed so that sucks she did not hear you out more..but for me its about the evidence(trace,implant,pics,etc) not the person, only if their the ones involved with the sighting. people are like that, big heads
lets see what happans with the pi's
everyone needs to help, me, you, L.M.H, S.F, etc ........f**k the personalities

 

[SyS_Config]

I agree and thats why we pressing hard to get the 11 pix LMH has ,all Hi res sent to her Hard mail by Tyb.
The other pix have been shown to have exif data not just erased, but altered to mimic another camera! As well as other pix images cropped and then reversed mirrored , heck if I know why. but that makes them lousy evidence, no matter how many christmas bulbs the have hanging from them.. They have just discovered the location difference Mars pointed out. It would be great if he could visit our site at the caret thread and just post a comment on his experience. This will put him in front of the line to see some justice in this. I PMd him but no answer..hes prob busy..
For an accurate timeline this link is fantastic and more accurate than the garbage Earthfiles did to cover their behinds..
The Drone UFO Timeline - Explained
enjoy

 

[SyS_Config]

I need help on Drone & Issac story

Hey we need help from You on the Drones but here is an Update on the invaluable information you gave the PIs. I wish you hadn't know them personally, Thats why you did not come. Not to hurt your pals I presume. That threw a monkey wrench in how early this would have ended.,but your lead led to blowing this wide open, even though the Private investigators and DRT tried to quash it.

Drone Recap

Lets recap what we have here.
1 Manipulated pictures, verified by ATS and OMF analysts and MUFON and Experts, Biedny Fxmodels, etc.
2 Absentee witnesses
3 False locations from where events actually took place, circa Deer Creek restaurant. los Gatos CA.
4 Private Investigators who live within minutes of the events, in San Jose CA, less than 20 minutes from the aforesaid Restaurant
5 Drt member Numbers, who lives in same area , 10 minutes away from PIs, with identical "rare lampost" in front of his house.and fail to disclose that, and the Restaurant location and has also failed to respond why the withholding of info and providing inaccurate info that area was dangerous and not good to walk thru. Aireal shows area nice and clear.
6 11A, who accompanied Drt investigator, and was aware of same. With the former DRT investigator Numbers,expressing months ago, reported by myself here he would have a problem divulging the truth, if he came upon it. Both keep silent now.
7 The Cam location (Pinocchio Drone)added afterwards, by the PIs, less than 5-6 minutes from Restaurant in Scotts valley. Cams Boyfriend wrote emailed that Cam was faking it. Never followed up and Public never shown email by DRT.. Report put as real.Sounds far away, but it wasn't. and never disclosed he saw or knew of restaurant.
7.5 Brent a prior drone witness airbrushes one exactly like a game figure ring. aka striker pic., courtesy of Rwiggins,before any drones appeared, and offers his own sons new sighting of an armada of drones. One ten feet over his head. Never came back.
8 They had to pass Restaurant on the way to Cam and to Capitola
9. Capitola Raj Drone took place the day of a concert. Nobody saw it. Chad took place in Los Gatos, not Lake Tahoe. And BB drone not in BB, but also minutes from Restaurant at BB way.
10The leads to find Restaurant were given by Mars Ave to LMH who has witness addresses.
11, Rajinders Satayana /Rajman found by SQT at classmates.com, and traced to location by ES at Elan village, San Jose and then given to DRT, and also less than 15 minutes from Numbers, of the DRT. DRT did Jack.
LMH knows where the witnesses live and real locations , so she said. So she knows everybody in San Jose, and says nothing.
She has fotos but will not surrender same. She ignored MarsAve. Continued to push drones. Along with Whitley Strieber.
She did not disclose Rev Bob, another "earlier drone witness," was an avid ufo buff since the 40's believes he was there at time of Creation. yes the Creation.
12. Witness to Real Location, Mars Ave is known personally to PIs.
13. Witness Mars ave, who knew locations forty years, reported were false and helped PIs find REAL locations suddenly goes quiet publicly and in forums.
14. we get our location, the restaurant, independently, after DRT refused to provide same and we then connected witness reports and the PIs and DRT members named above together.
15. Over a year has gone by, The only progress by PIs was by MarsAve, who calls it hoax, and show correct locations, and the information we provided by expose on the Restaurant site, and Numbers.
16 The Pis have provided only new questionable witnesses with bogus drones.such as Brent and Cam.

Observations: Other thoughts.
If Warner brothers hatched this scheme for its movie it did a great Job.
I never saw a hoax that helped out its victims like LMH , Whitley, and The
DRT, more than this one. Whitley was smart to sign his contract during the month of June for TY and Steph sightings..and then have a pdf report done , and had Reyes make study group with at least one current DRT member. Then No real study done..it vaporizes. I believe that. But somehow, PDF is done anyway.and Linda has her interviews all lined up.with Reyes, a devout fan of Whitley., and even the Answers from Isaac too! a day after , the 27th of June after she released Isaac the 26th...amazing. And when things not going well..Whitley dreams one up.
Too much Pizza that night perhaps.

Conclusion:
I believe I have enough to conclude for the 100th time, not only hoax, but an apparent conspiracy by the above to maintain it for pecuniary and other ulterior motives, notwithstanding it is a hoax to the extreme they can even be perceived as the Hoaxers Themselves for using the full weight of their organizations to push this matter, as an organized hoaxer would. And although Control by Linda is disavowed by DRT every drone witness has gone thru Linda. They have had extensive cooperation in coordinating witnesses, as well as communications from which decisions were made to promulgate non events.The tail is wagging the dog it seems.
I wish there was a Ricoh statute for this matter too. It too would fly, and a lot better than the drones, and it would not disappear.

by the way..
I encourage everyone to listen to Linda and Whitley in this breathtaking 30 minute mp3 with Author Bramley and the harvesting of souls by Aliens, Gods of Eden This is precisely the thematic nature of the Movie War for Souls 2012.

ovnis-usa.com...

Enjoy!
My favorite part is when Whitley talks about an Earth Martian War, and the martians had to go under ground, and as he retold what was told to him, we lost bad, and our souls have to repeat everything over and over. Didn't Hubbard say something similar with Xeno and the Theta stuff??

If I missed something or inaccurate feel free to pile it on.
supporting pix

restaurant as seen from hwy

Drones easily could have been seen from busy santa cruz hwy.

Proximaty to all these players to

 

[SyS_Config]

I need help on Drone & Issac story

Lampost he never mentioned he had

1831 Rochell st Numbers location

Back are of restaurant, Numbers nor 11 august mentioned it you can see drones from there
no one saw one
eacher..never ever disclosed
Chad pics taken bhind restaurant,

Hmm They all live right by..donts say a word, and can't find a thing.
Odd.

 

[Flatwoods]

I need help on Drone & Issac story

This probably won't aid your research in any way, but I thought I'd share a little paranormal fan-fiction I wrote awhile back. It was inspired by the Chad drone phenomenon and my own efforts to come up with a unique explanation. Here's the link to the story. :redface:

(MSDWC) The 99th Entity, page 1

 

[SyS_Config]

I need help on Drone & Issac story

You're right it doesn't ,but actually I am about done with my research if you've kept up with the posts all around at ATS and OM. Its a hoax and then some. I am happy some good came out of it, like the videos and music and now your story.,though it hurt in other ways., I am happy you put the drones in their proper place:Sci-fi. Sometimes it works the other way around.

Nice read too, bro, kudos, The theme of demons crossing the veil into our world via tech is always interesting. I encountered it in the sixties with some of the popular paperback zines like if, galaxy, amazing stories, etc. You can find that in the game FEAR , and some older sci fi flicks involving the Bermuda triangle. Even bthe old Battlestar Galactica had angelic beings, intervene in one episode.Its a popular thing now especially when people are waiting for the new consciousness or new age rapture to elevate them to ..well who knows..somewhere sometime in 2012. Just leave some tweaking room, for substitution, newspapers do it all the time, just in case, we wrap this up before you publish,jk
Good luck and keep up the great work!