I Saw Something

[flakturm]

As a child of 7 years I saw something. I was staying with friends of my parents in Brampton, Ontario, Canada. I remember getting out of my father's car and was greeted by my weekend babysitters, 'there have been a lot of unusual sightings in the air here lately'. The sky was orange, I remember this . Then it was night, I woke up walking down the stairs and saw it hovering in the backyard. I was scared, but now I am angry. Dean

 

[Lavarat]

What shape was it?
Can you think of something you could have seen that you might have mistaken for aliens?

 

[TClaeys]

What shape was it?
Can you think of something you could have seen that you might have mistaken for aliens?

Where does he say anything about aliens?

Flakturm,

What are your thoughts on this incident?

 

[flakturm]

It was a silver ball glowing orange, it hovered and I felt that it wanted me to see it. I looked away. As I get older, the event becomes clearer. I wish I never saw it, it didn't need to be there.

 

[mike]

Why are you angry?

good point will

depak chopra once wrote the body "reacts" to trauma
the process causes some damage.stress hormones etc
the big point being it cops the same sort of damage whether the trauma is actually happening, or being vividly remembered

and its important to try and seperate the real from the remembered in terms of reaction.

weve all done it, remembered some event where we were for example humiliated by someone, and we re run the scenario in our heads years later possibly fantacising an outcome where we strike back. and you suddenly realise your fists are clenched and your breathing harder.

i honestly feel that carrying anger past the actual chronological segment it took place in is not the optimum.

however your posts have a sense of hypno regresion to them and if that style is one you are comfortable with then by all means use that form to express yourself

 

[Graphimancer]

There must be more to the story. Sometimes the details take a while to unfold, and it's hard to really explain it when you haven't for a long time. If this had some sort of effect on you, or it was the first of many intrusions, or it haunted your sleep or something, that might explain some of the anger.

I agree, I don't think there is any more reason to still be angry based onwhat you've told us.

 

[Seth]

As a child of 7 years I saw something. I was staying with friends of my parents in Brampton, Ontario, Canada. I remember getting out of my father's car and was greeted by my weekend babysitters, 'there have been a lot of unusual sightings in the air here lately'. The sky was orange, I remember this . Then it was night, I woke up walking down the stairs and saw it hovering in the backyard. I was scared, but now I am angry. Dean

Is it me or am I the only one extremely suspect of posts like these (seriously)!? The above is very vague, we have no evidence of such and encounter, we do not have any idea of whom this post is from, and there are no identifying or corroborating details.

(gritting my teeth) Secondly, before our members establish credibility they are diagnosing and investigating this claim as if it has validity (not previously established). Should this not be the first order of business before words like: alien, craft, color, emotion, et cetera are used?

Is this not the procedure/method/techniques/mindset we so vehemently oppose as Paracast listeners? To be hypercritical, how do we know this is not a prank or debunker? I could easily make an account and pose an identical story.

Sorry if I come across as my skeptical or anal-self it is just that preaching and practice are important equivalencies.

 

[Seth]

flackturm,

Sorry to come across so poignant in the above post but these questions are important if we are to look in to your description thoroughly and to understand your situation beyond curiosity. Please answer these questions:

Where do you live now?
What is your occupation?
How long ago was this?
Has this type of thing happened before?
Brampton is essentially Toronto. Toronto is Canada’s largest city. Could this not be any other aerial object like a blimp, fireworks, plane, plane/banner, cell tower, radar tower, flares, or searchlights commonly found in the country’s largest cities?
Do you have any history of sleep disorders, hallucinations, visions, ADD, or abuse?
What literature, cartoons, or other media were you familiar with at 7?
Have you told anyone else about this situation/story?
Can you recall or elaborate on any of the information given so far?

I understand these questions seem obtuse or intrusive but can be essential in our understanding.

 

[Graphimancer]

I hope he's not a hoaxer--that whole mindset is too bizarre for me.

The paranormal world is built on a strange premise, that of "if the person has no reason to lie, and gains nothing from it, then his story is probably true."

Hoaxers simply confound me.

 

[Ally]

Seth,
If there is a legit trauma invloved with a sighting a person may not be willing, ready or able to share everything at first.

Where is the harm in feeling out a forum and how people respond or don't respond at first. The person is not trying to sell you a book or DVD.

 

[flakturm]

'Establish my credibility?' Ouch- that's a rather grandiose position.

What does my occupation have to do with anything? I am a 'well compensated' graphic designer, if I worked at Chuck E. Cheese would that make my experience less credible?

I find it interesting that most automatically assume that I saw an alien spacecraft. Based on the responses in this thread it appears that that reaction is automatic for most.

I am simply sharing an episode in my life that is unexplained, and what better place than a public forum devoted to the paranormal? It holds no weight as evidence of an alien encounter, it is merely a singular event in one person's life that remains to baffle. To have to provide evidence to others that something happened to me is absolutely hilarious- to tell me that I shouldn't be 'angry' is downright naive.

Perhaps this is why fewer people are willing to come forward to share paranormal experiences- it might not be worth the hassle. In the future, if someone decides to share apart of their life with you, try sharing a part of yours.

 

[Seth]

What does my occupation have to do with anything?

If you can’t see the difference then I am glad to tell you: Writers in the field, journalists, those looking to add support to a claim, debunkers, and those looking to humiliate the good people of this forum would have a significant impact.

Perhaps this is why fewer people are willing to come forward to share paranormal experiences- it might not be worth the hassle. In the future, if someone decides to share apart of their life with you, try sharing a part of yours.

Don’t tell me you are going to come forward with a vague claim and then suggest I am being unreasonable after asking for more details and some background.

My good forum brethren, this is the exact scenario we should be analytical, not presumptive, pressing and supportive with. To jump in headfirst without establishing credibility is the reason why “He Who Shall Not Be Named” is a popular personality. Are you listening to anything Gene and Dave say?

Continue with this thread if you will flakturm, but it is not unreasonable for us/me to ask legitimate details if you are sincerely looking for answers and not attention.

 

[Koji K.]

Flakturm, I think part of the problem here was the way you came across in your original post(s). It was as though you were sitting down in a support group circle and just riffing. It sounded very much like it was taken straight from the pages of one of many books on the topic, which makes me both suspicious and open to believing your story is genuine. Contradictory, yes, but hence my interest in knowing more.

Now I am not saying something didn't happen to you, and I am not saying I believe you either, but you have to understand that this is a diverse board of enthusiasts, skeptics, scholars, experiencers, and a whole range of different sorts, most of whom are fairly discerning critical thinkers. Seth's questions were very typical of those generally asked of people who have experienced the sort of strange things you've experienced, so getting indignant about them here isn't an appropriate response. Your story sparked interest and naturally people want to know more. (Not wanting to answer questions for whatever reasons of course is completely different and understandable, I'm just saying you have to understand where others are coming from in asking them.) I'm not sure what you expected- if it's straightforward sympathy and support, well, that's here as well, but it's mixed in with the critical thinking.

That said, your experience (if true) does sound like an odd one, and yet fairly typical in it's oddness of what many others have experienced both in terms of the features and the emotions it fosters. Have you by chance read anything on the subject? I ask because I'm curious if you know this (i.e. how similar your experience is to many others), and also what significance or meaning or other reactions aside from your anger you can attribute to your experience.

 

[Seth]

Now I am not saying something didn't happen to you, and I am not saying I believe you either, but you have to understand that this is a diverse board of enthusiasts, skeptics, scholars, experiencers, and a whole range of different sorts, most of whom are fairly discerning critical thinkers. Seth's questions were very typical of those generally asked of people who have experienced the sort of strange things you've experienced, so getting indignant about them here isn't an appropriate response. I'm not sure what you expected- if it's straightforward sympathy, well, that's here as well, I am sure, but it's mixed in with the critical thinking.

Well-said, Koji K. You are far more eloquent than I, but right on the money from my perspective. Thanks!

 

[mike]

Now I am not saying something didn't happen to you, and I am not saying I believe you either, but you have to understand that this is a diverse board of enthusiasts, skeptics, scholars, experiencers, and a whole range of different sorts, most of whom are fairly discerning critical thinkers. Seth's questions were very typical of those generally asked of people who have experienced the sort of strange things you've experienced, so getting indignant about them here isn't an appropriate response. I'm not sure what you expected- if it's straightforward sympathy, well, that's here as well, I am sure, but it's mixed in with the critical thinking.

Well-said, Koji K. You are far more eloquent than I, but right on the money from my perspective. Thanks!

id quote meatloaf but for the obvious resposnses

 

[Seth]

id quote meatloaf but for the obvious resposnses

You'd do anything for love too?!!! Awesome!

 

[flakturm]

My story is vague, only because this is all remember about it. Trust me, I could have come up with a real wopper of a story, something far more interesting than this little vague episode if I just wanted to waste peoples time. David and Gene are in the position to be critical, they spend two hours with a guest who is generally making a claim that he/she wants to be believed. I don't really expect anyone to believe me, I am just sharing a story- I am not selling it.

 

[Seth]

My story is vague, only because this is all remember about it. Trust me, I could have come up with a real wopper of a story, something far more interesting than this little vague episode if I just wanted to waste peoples time. David and Gene are in the position to be critical, they spend two hours with a guest who is generally making a claim that he/she wants to be believed. I don't really expect anyone to believe me, I am just sharing a story- I am not selling it.

We are getting no-where then. What is the point of your original post if you are unwilling to explore more details? Can you share with us the answers to my previous questions or is this post now an emotional journey for you to gain attention and criticize the probing? Thanks for sharing, but as I suspected from the beginning, we are at a dead-end unless you can give further details or can substantiate in some way.

 

[flakturm]

I have to agree, we are getting no where. Can we end this thread now please,
I apologize for sharing this, I should have had better prepared to deal with these questions, but it is too difficult to continue.

 

[swatcher]

Seth, c'est le ton qui fait la musique!