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Incredible Detailed Crop Circle.......Destroyed.

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I can understand the farmers anger, every time a formation is created he loses a portion of his profits, not to mention people trespassing on his property and possibly delaying his harvest. Farmer just trying to make a living considers it bad luck when his fields are invaded.<O:p</O:p
 
I wasn't commenting so much on the destruction...more on the unbelievable detail. Did you look at those pix? Woven, teeny tiny circles....hardly the stuff of boards and ropes.
 
SarkozyAide said:
Woven, teeny tiny circles....hardly the stuff of boards and ropes.
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Thats is pretty darn cool. Definitely not boards and ropes. But it doesn't mean that it has to be some "other-wordly" intelligence making them. I'd keep my eye on Youtube and before long we might see how these are being made. We just had a thread on another circle with a weaved design.

My impression is that the circlemakers are raising the bar. I could be wrong of course, but even with the complexity it isn't out of the neighborhood of being made by people.

Awhile ago the thought was that, sure, people could make circles with a board and rope, but NO WAY could they make these intricate designs. Then it was demonstrated that with a string and post and a general understanding of geometry that the complex circles could be made within a night. Now that the complex circles have run their course, the circlemakers need a new form of expression that will get that WOW factor back. Maybe this is the new form, the new art. Again, just my impression.
 
Not sure what your definition of "vandalism" is, but I hardly think this qualifies. Did you even look at the ground level photos? No way that this was made with ropes and boards.

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Vandalism consists of someone destroying another person's property. Crop circles prevent valuable grain from being harvested. I think destroying crop circles is the perfect retailation. If a farmer finds a crop circle, destroy it the next day before the corcle makers have a chance to take pictures of their handiwork. A big empty rectangle in a field is a lot less interesting.
 
Schuyler said:
Vandalism consists of someone destroying another person's property. Crop circles prevent valuable grain from being harvested. I think destroying crop circles is the perfect retailation. If a farmer finds a crop circle, destroy it the next day before the corcle makers have a chance to take pictures of their handiwork. A big empty rectangle in a field is a lot less interesting.
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Excellent definition of vandalism, and 100% correct.

What a grand idea. Destroy them immediately. Then, whoever is making them will have to find a different way to "communicate". Which is OK with me because this way is totally worthless. I think it is brilliant.
 
I have found that a lot of people who completely buy in to the notion of these things being done by hoaxers tend to be people who have never been in a wheat field in their life. Which is of course perfectly understandable....most people who post online tend to be cubicle dwellers with a great disconnect from the land, the natural world.

The other argument that gets thrown into the mix is "Well I saw this on Mythbusters, or (insert your fav. TV show here) and they showed how it's done" when in reality what those programs invariably show is a fairly simple design done in borad daylight with lots of people with GPS, and ladders, and 3-4 hours worth of work.


Let's see the hoaxers make one under the conditions that some of the more amazing ones appear under. Darkness, rain, 30-45 minutes timespan.
 
SarkozyAide said:
Not sure what your definition of "vandalism" is, but I hardly think this qualifies. Did you even look at the ground level photos? No way that this was made with ropes and boards.

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why do you think all they have are ropes and boards? a cordless drill with a clamp on the end would do this very quickly.
 
I agree that those claiming to do this should be put under controlled conditions and made to prove it. But it doesn't matter if circles were made by hoaxers OR aliens or something else entirely. It's still vandalism and destroying an economic resource. If they are 'trying to communicate' something in symbology, it's not working. If they are NOT trying to communicate, it's even more senseless. If it's hoaxers, they ought to be sued.

The best solution is to remove the incentive and chop them down immediately, regardless of the source.
 
Schuyler said:
I agree that those claiming to do this should be put under controlled conditions and made to prove it. But it doesn't matter if circles were made by hoaxers OR aliens or something else entirely. It's still vandalism and destroying an economic resource. If they are 'trying to communicate' something in symbology, it's not working. If they are NOT trying to communicate, it's even more senseless. If it's hoaxers, they ought to be sued.

The best solution is to remove the incentive and chop them down immediately, regardless of the source.
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i totally agree.

but i do think they are very cool works of art. i say give em their own fields to work in and create all they want.
 
http://www.ufologie.net/htm/croprec.htm

While this probably isn't the all encompassing answer to everything crop circle related, it does spell out some situations whereby circles, complex ones, were made in the dark using ordinary circle making tools. Some of them made by one person alone. And even the complex ones were constructed in a matter of 3-4 hours with three people. Sure it's not 30-45 minutes, but you can begin to extrapolate what is possible given good planning and more people.

The interesting thing is that some of them were filmed with infrared video at night. But people STILL believed they were created by other intelligences even though the evidence was supported by film. I have a hunch that there may be an underground, unanounced to the general public, ongoing contest that drives some of these circle makers. Just a guess, but famed circlemaker John Lundberg was quoted as saying there is an ever increasing pressure to make more and more complex circles in England (paraphrasing) BTW, you can ignore the Joe Nickel stuff, he is a moron.
 
Schuyler said:
I agree that those claiming to do this should be put under controlled conditions and made to prove it. But it doesn't matter if circles were made by hoaxers OR aliens or something else entirely. It's still vandalism and destroying an economic resource. If they are 'trying to communicate' something in symbology, it's not working. If they are NOT trying to communicate, it's even more senseless. If it's hoaxers, they ought to be sued.

The best solution is to remove the incentive and chop them down immediately, regardless of the source.
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You'd think aliens would have better things to do with their precious time ;)

Decoding these intricate designs is like trying to decode a Mandelbrot algorithm :D

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An excercise in futility :D
 
However....

Might this mathematical formula ultimately describe how our universe is supported (infinitely small to infinitely large) hmmmm

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Whoever or whatever is making these things seems to be upping the ante lately. This is the second formation with woven patterns that I'm aware of recently. I read that this new one is the 64th in the UK so far this year, and no one has been caught. If people are making all of these they are some real pros and I admire their art, even if it is vandalism.
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Anyone who doubts that any size/shape crop circles can't be hoaxed by humans is overlooking the ingenuity required to take a few grains of sand & metal & turn it into a computer processor,...given time & planning, and a few generations of practical knowledge, I think anything is possible,...

That said, I'm also not convinced all circles are hoaxed, although any other explanation has not been readily provided, nor proven.

It would be funny if a Circle Busting Group formed(as Schuyler suggests), traveling around, mowing down each newly formed crop circle, only to find one day, an intricately arranged formation of mutilated Circle Buster corpses spelling out: "OK STOP THAT NOW,...".
Now that would certainly "up the ante":p
 
I have no doubt that there have been some crop circles that have been created by those same unknown intelligences that are responsible for all paranomal phenomona... including UFOs and so-called ET's witnessed in abduction cases. And knowing what I know in my own field of focus, it never ceases to amaze me when it comes to all of the different ways these intelligences choose to manifest themselves -- and that list is always changing -- and growing. The creativity shown by these intelligences it truly boundless!
This said, I think that when it comes to crop circles, one needs to look at the big message in terms of what are "they" trying to communicate to us. And in this regard, I think part of that message is that they are terrestrial to the planet Earth because afterall, we're not seeing any kind of interesting and intricate un-natural landscape designs on the moon, are we?
 
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