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The interview with Wills is up Dark Matters Radio - Downloads | CyberStationUSA On Demand Programming
I know for those who are very skeptic alot of the things Jerry has to say may seem like a stretch. I have listened to some other interviews with him and he doesn't come off as someone trying to mislead. He believes what he says wether or not he can do these things or has the history he says is not proven but it would be hard to prove. Although it has not been proven false. Jerry is one of those guys you have to listen and decide for yourself. I do not know what to say about Jerry and I think Don did a great job asking the questions. If you want to see some of Jerry's expedition videos you can watch them free here: Xpeditions TV
I listen to Jerry but I don't believe or/disbelieve him I don't fall into the trap of being a nut but I dont want to be micheal shermer. This is the line all of us walk I guess.
Interview with Jerry Wills about Ingo Swann and Black-Ops
http://www.dqrm.com/shows/DMR/2013/wk01/dmr-06-t.mp3