Is Cold Fusion being suppressed?

[freemars2259]

Is Cold Fusion and other alternatives to oil being suppressed?

Here is an interesting extract from an article about Cold Fusion:

"Most physicists can probably remember where they were when they first heard of Stanley Pons and Martin Fleischmann. On 23 March 1989 the two electrochemists grabbed the world's attention by announcing at a press conference in Salt Lake City, Utah, that they had observed controlled nuclear fusion in a glass jar. The excess heat measured in the experiment offered the promise of a new power source for the planet, as well as huge financial rewards."

Here is a link to the rest of the article:

http://physicsworld.com/cws/article/print/1258

What do people think, is Cold Fusion and other alternatives to oil being suppressed and if so why?
I have my own ideas but I want to know what other people are thinking.

 

[freemars2259]

My own thoughts are that Cold Fusion and other alternatives to oil are in fact being suppressed, the most obvious reason for this being that it would end the oilmen's monopoly, Cold Fusion would also allow the third world nations to develop faster and become real rivals to the west. Does any one have any other thoughts.

 

[The Pair of Cats]

Yes, every alternative power source to oil is being suppressed.

 

[Don Keyhoe-Ti]

I dunno if any alt.energy breakthroughs are being suppressed, maybe they are, maybe they aren't but I haven't been too convinced by anything I've seen so far. But with Cold Fusion there's been a definate reluctance to "look through the telescope," given the hundreds are papers written by top notch scientists in support of the phenomena. I find it weird how "EeEeEevry body knows" cold fusion is a fraud/hoax/error.. I mean ask anyone about cold fusion and they will have heard of it, and the grand total of what they've heard is that it's bs.

But the totality of proper scientific support for the phenomena is pretty substantial,... top scientists working in top laboratories publishing in top journals etc etc all confirming & replicating & progressing the experiments.

I still wouldn't say conspiracy, more that it's a strong example of the authoritarian personalities within todays established sciences being emotionally incapable of dealing intellectually with cognitive dissonance. A lot of scientists might be cosmically brilliant at dotting the i's & crossing the t's in their own arcane speciality, but when something anomalous pops up and they're required to think a little laterally, they're literally hopeless... like a bunch of csicop true-believer cranks.

 

[freemars2259]

I dunno if any alt.energy breakthroughs are being suppressed, maybe they are, maybe they aren't but I haven't been too convinced by anything I've seen so far. But with Cold Fusion there's been a definate reluctance to "look through the telescope," given the hundreds are papers written by top notch scientists in support of the phenomena. I find it weird how "EeEeEevry body knows" cold fusion is a fraud/hoax/error.. I mean ask anyone about cold fusion and they will have heard of it, and the grand total of what they've heard is that it's bs.

But the totality of proper scientific support for the phenomena is pretty substantial,... top scientists working in top laboratories publishing in top journals etc etc all confirming & replicating & progressing the experiments.

I still wouldn't say conspiracy, more that it's a strong example of the authoritarian personalities within todays established sciences being emotionally incapable of dealing intellectually with cognitive dissonance. A lot of scientists might be cosmically brilliant at dotting the i's & crossing the t's in their own arcane speciality, but when something anomalous pops up and they're required to think a little laterally, they're literally hopeless... like a bunch of csicop true-believer cranks.

Perhaps a bit like UFOs then, most scientist are just scared to touch something that is generally thought of as rubbish despite good evidence to the contrary.

 

[Don Keyhoe-Ti]

Perhaps a bit like UFOs then, most scientist are just scared to touch something that is generally thought of as rubbish despite good evidence to the contrary.

You're right, it is a bit like what we've got with ufos, except...
1. What they're investigating is a lot less far out than ufos,
2. Their evidence is a lot stronger, and reproducible,
3. Their experts are far more credentialled than ours on the whole, and
4. Their field is not completely overrun by whackos!

And despite all this, their name is mud and they can't get anywhere.

Whereas we have Steven Greer as a spokesman for our field, yet we wonder why we're not taken seriously.

 

[truthseeker]

I think it’s reasonable to assume that there has been a suppression of alt. Energy in the world over the past number of decades. Oil, coal and so on has been an enormous cash cow and if you do a little digging you will find that most of the top of the chain multi-national corporations own and control a huge portion of this industry. Oil has been the blood of any industrialized nation in the world, especially the United States and without this resource the economy simply could not sustain itself. It’s a sad state of affairs but this is how it is. Oil is the fuel that drives our economy. It is the single most important resource in the world and whoever got their claws on it has become the most powerful player in the world. I think it’s safe to assume that these world players would not be willing to relinquish this cash cow easily and if any serious technology were to come out that would seriously jeopardize this status quo, any means would be employed to keep it under wraps. I mean, there is a reason why - with all the computerized transmissions, fuel injectors and other crap that they equip modern cars with - my car barely gets 20 MI/GAL. I simply don’t buy this nonsense that with all the brilliant engineers and scientists that we have they couldn’t come out with an SUV that would get at least 80 MI/GAL or an all-electric vehicle for that matter. You could argue that gas was always so cheap that fuel efficiency wasn’t something that automakers were willing to invest their time in. But common, with all the shit constantly flaring up in the Middle East and driving the oil prices up, they couldn’t conceive that that would some day be an issue?

Now having said all this, I truly believe that times are changing right now. I see a lot of independent, small companies popping up here and there that hopefully will revolutionize auto and energy industry. Yeah, granted there were a lot of scams and ego-driven, so-called engineers that made a lot of claims that turned out to be nothing but hot air. But I think that with the help of the Internet, a lot of innovations and breakthroughs will take place soon. It’s hard to suppress something if it spreads like wildfire on the web. All it takes is one person with a working prototype and reproducible specs posted online.

If it doesn’t happen, I don’t see how the world can survive this century.

 

[noddwyd]

water.

just type 'xogen' into google

fuel = any type of matter which can be chemically changed to release its energy.

therefore, water is the most abundant fuel we have.
far more efficient and abundant than oil. the only byproduct of hydrogen combustion? more water.

Ask a Norwegian.

 

[auntiegrav]

go to http://www.infinite-energy.com

Get some back issues from issue 5 if you want to know the cold fusion story. It's a rabbit hole that was starting to come to fruition before 9/11 took everyone's attention.

'suppressed' doesn't begin to describe it. Just ask the editor, Dr. Eugene Mallove.
Oh, you CAN'T. He was murdered in a 'domestic dispute with a renter'.

Huh. Funny how that happens.

 

[cottonzway]

go to http://www.infinite-energy.com

Get some back issues from issue 5 if you want to know the cold fusion story. It's a rabbit hole that was starting to come to fruition before 9/11 took everyone's attention.

'suppressed' doesn't begin to describe it. Just ask the editor, Dr. Eugene Mallove.
Oh, you CAN'T. He was murdered in a 'domestic dispute with a renter'.

Huh. Funny how that happens.

What is interesting is that Steven Jones, one of the leading proponents for the "9/11 Controlled Demolition" theory was one of the main guy working on this at Los Alomos. I always found that odd.

 

[auntiegrav]

I've tried to keep up (until recently) with the cold fusion story since it first hit the news in the '80's. Over time, I noticed that the majority of research was spent trying to justify or explain the anomalies in the context of the standard model of physics (in order to get research money). Few researchers have come up with truly original ideas. The real needle under the skin of physics that cold fusion represents is simply that it isn't easily explained in terms of little balls running into each other or large amounts of grant money flowing to MIT et al. When you take a step back and look at the various anomalous experiments (and there were many) which led away from the standard model, you will find them abruptly ending. Maybe it's because of intentional suppression, or because those really are dead ends. I think that in some cases, however, it is like looking out of your window and seeing your dog floating in the air every time you open the refrigerator door: you keep looking and looking, but eventually, you turn away and just say, "Nah, that can't be. I'm going to go get my eyes checked."
When Pons and Fleischman first made the announcement in 1987, that's the reaction which prevailed and the research money dried up (with intentional suppression by establishment researchers--documented by Dr. Mallove).
It was difficult to reproduce the conditions of the experiment, and even when they were perfect, it seemed to work for some people and not for others for various finicky reasons. Since spending decisions in a 'democracy' are made by majority representation however, everyone simply ended up with darker glasses, and the dog still flies past the window once in a while out of hope that someone will throw a chicken to her.
To put it in Dick Cheney terms, "That dog can hunt, but it doesn't bring the birds back."
Why spend money on something you can't rely on when we have such a plentiful supply of good ole boy oil being supplied by our 'close friends' in the Middle East?

 

[freemars2259]

Why spend money on something you can't rely on when we have such a plentiful supply of good ole boy oil being supplied by our 'close friends' in the Middle East?

Because most of the so called good ole boys in the oil business are war mongers and will start world war III (if they haven't already) any time now if we don't find an alternative fast.

 

[musictomyears]

Maybe it's because of intentional suppression, or because those really are dead ends. I think that in some cases, however, it is like looking out of your window and seeing your dog floating in the air every time you open the refrigerator door: you keep looking and looking, but eventually, you turn away and just say, "Nah, that can't be. I'm going to go get my eyes checked."

I think that's a very good analogy. Concepts such as over-unity, free-energy, or zero-point energy, are near impossible to grasp for a large number of people. You can try explaining a million times that such technologies operate in natural, open systems, rather than in artificially closed systems, but most people - even highly educated ones - will not understand it. It is as if they never, during their entire lifetimes, understood the concept of regular windmills either, which are also over-unity devices.

However, apart from the widespread inability to understand unconventional sources of energy, there is also massive suppression, carried out by parties that have a vested interest in eliminating competition to oil and nuclear. I have written about my own experiences in a different thread on this forum.

 

[auntiegrav]

Why spend money on something you can't rely on when we have such a plentiful supply of good ole boy oil being supplied by our 'close friends' in the Middle East?

Because most of the so called good ole boys in the oil business are war mongers and will start world war III (if they haven't already) any time now if we don't find an alternative fast.

I hope you know that was meant to be 'tongue-in-cheek'...

The problem is that there isn't a foreseeable alternative that will come on line fast enough to make up for the current level of consumption of oil. Descent will happen, and conservation is the only viable option. Economics will be the fall-guy, though, regardless of what happens. Investment in stocks and expansion is always based on a perception: the perception of perpetual growth. An illogical cultural bias which we and our children will be paying for dearly.

 

[freemars2259]

In the long term space could be the answer to the world's many problems, energy, natural resources and living space. We haven't only got one planet, we have a whole universe of worlds to conquer and harness.

For the next 40 to 50 years or so though we must either find a new alternative to oil like fusion power or make do with what we have, fission, geothermal, solar, wind, methane, hydrogen and clean coal.

 

[musictomyears]

I am sorry to say, humans - on the whole - are just as stupid as they are greedy. Those factors alone will keep us rooted firmly here on Earth. Humanity isn't going anywhere, anytime soon. If we are incapable of sustaining the resources of our beautiful, lush home planet, we wont do any better on other planets either.

 

[freemars2259]

I am sorry to say, humans - on the whole - are just as stupid as they are greedy. Those factors alone will keep us rooted firmly here on Earth. Humanity isn't going anywhere, anytime soon. If we are incapable of sustaining the resources of our beautiful, lush home planet, we wont do any better on other planets either.

I don't think so, most people are not stupid, it's just that they use their brain power to learn about sports, cars and other pointless things.

People are greedy though, but I think this is what will get us off the earth, once the superpower corporations of the future realise they can make big money in space, thats when man will start really reaching for the stars. Remember it was private business that first colonized America not the English state.

 

[auntiegrav]

I don't think so, most people are not stupid, it's just that they use their brain power to learn about sports, cars and other pointless things.

Comfort has made people lazy, and that makes them appear stupid. Starvation will wake up a lot of people, I think.

People are greedy though, but I think this is what will get us off the earth, once the superpower corporations of the future realise they can make big money in space, thats when man will start really reaching for the stars. Remember it was private business that first colonized America not the English state.

Technically, it wasn't exactly 'private' business. It was more like Corporo-fascist business, tied to the government, with only a few large shareholders who looked for ways to exploit anything they could exploit in order to expand their Empire, which wasn't exactly a government oriented toward improving the lives of the masses until they figured out that if the masses had just a little money, they would be motivated to work even harder than when they were unpaid. The pittance that got paid was enough to exponentially increase the desires of people for more comforts and more money, even though it was devalued money, printed or otherwise.
The problems is the disconnect between the true needs of humans as part of a larger system and the marketing power of those who want to keep people separate from their own sustenance, creating a false sense of scarcity, and thus, competition.
If people would get together and cooperate instead of competing with each other for the chance to be some kind of Space Pioneer Hero, then we actually might be able to develop new energy and get into space. Unfortunately, the corporations have figured out how to cooperate to keep people from cooperating.
It's called "government."
Notice how the conservative call for 'less government' always ends up being less government of corporations but more government of the people?
Before we can reduce the 'overhead' costs of bureaucracies, we first have to know what our basic needs are, and then start living efficiently from that standpoint. From there, we can rebuild the necessary resources to get into space and develop useful communities in a larger environment. Simply expanding into the vacuum blindly will only waste resources which we don't have, causing unnecessary hardship for the sake of 'profits' that only enrich those who already have more than they need, and eventually, destroying everyone's future through revolutions and dissent.

That's the future we are currently looking at. If you want Change, keep it in your pocket.

 

[musictomyears]

I don't think so, most people are not stupid, it's just that they use their brain power to learn about sports, cars and other pointless things.

That's my definition of "stupid": Wasting one's time with irrelevant or inconsequential pursuits.

 

[auntiegrav]

I don't think so, most people are not stupid, it's just that they use their brain power to learn about sports, cars and other pointless things.

That's my definition of "stupid": Wasting one's time with irrelevant or inconsequential pursuits.

Well, that's ONE way of looking at it.
I don't mean to take the blame off of the individuals who choose these stupid activities, but we must remain cognizant of the efforts put forth by Madison Avenue to use our chemical-based lizard brains as their personal drug and social engineering playgrounds for profit. For every person who knows that the Cyclops (TV) is going to bash their brains out and eat them, there is probably a hundred more who haven't had the opportunity to stop living the 'dream' of Twinkies, Cheez Doodles, and Big Screens long enough for their brain to stop craving all the sex and sugar enhanced crap that is priced just high enough to desire it, but not high enough to see the actual impact on the consumer's individual future.
Is it because people tend toward stupidity on their own? I don't think so. I think it's because of the total concerted efforts of bureaucracies to do as little as possible of their jobs while still getting paid, along with the teachings of Religions that Blind Faith in some kind of authoritative System of Systems will always lead you toward some great Reward (but never prove you can reach it), while education has become a 'product', purchased from these same systems that depend upon massive induced comatose behavior.

"Stupid is as stupid does."
The less we do, the less stupid we might be.

Sorry, got way off topic.
How about the Stanley Meyer fuel generator? Anyone building one?
It's on my ToDo list, but the other alligators are still hungry.

AG