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It's too late to worry that the aliens will find us

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stonehart

stonehart

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here is a bit of an artical that is worth a read:

"This makes it specious to suggest that we should ban deliberate messages on the grounds that they would be more powerful than our leaked signals. Only a society close to our level of development would be able to pick up an intentional broadcast while failing to notice TV and radar. And a society at our level is no threat.
The flip side is that for any alien society that could be dangerous, a deliberate message makes no difference. Such a society could use its own star as a gravitational lens, and even see the glow from our street lamps. Hawking's warning is irrelevant."

Rest can be found here:


http://www.newscientist.com/article...te-to-worry-that-the-aliens-will-find-us.html
 
stonehart said:
here is a bit of an artical that is worth a read:

"This makes it specious to suggest that we should ban deliberate messages on the grounds that they would be more powerful than our leaked signals. Only a society close to our level of development would be able to pick up an intentional broadcast while failing to notice TV and radar. And a society at our level is no threat.
The flip side is that for any alien society that could be dangerous, a deliberate message makes no difference. Such a society could use its own star as a gravitational lens, and even see the glow from our street lamps. Hawking's warning is irrelevant."

Rest can be found here:


http://www.newscientist.com/article...te-to-worry-that-the-aliens-will-find-us.html
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Well, what to say....SETI is indeed doing it wrong, radio signals...we have the technology and means now to do it in a variety of different forms...per laser, in the infrared field etc.

I'm also still not convinced that if we would get a reply, we'd get what we want to hear.

What if we receive a signal first ?
 
dyingsun said:
Well, what to say....SETI is indeed doing it wrong, radio signals...we have the technology and means now to do it in a variety of different forms...per laser, in the infrared field etc.

I'm also still not convinced that if we would get a reply, we'd get what we want to hear.

What if we receive a signal first ?
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The entire SETI thing baffles me. Every time I here Seth Shostak mock the ETH for its absurdity then quickly segue into describing how they are serching a relatively narrow band of the EMS (1200 to 3000 MHz) for signals. And, IF, these aliens are broadcasting in that range then SETI will pick them up. Then he almost always says that this is the best chance we have in finding other technologically advanced life.

WTF? In 100 years our "Radio" use will be nearly gone. I doubt in 200 years if there will be any. But in the interests of pure fantasy lets say that we end up using this range for 500 years. Since we are the litmus test it means that we now have to guess which stars have planets that have civilizations on them that just happen to be somewhere in that 500 year radio sweet spot.

The really funny part is that they use the Drake equation to help justify their existence. Somehow they totally ignore the implications of that equation. If a star is 10 billion years older than ours, it stand to reason that it could have spawned intelligent life that began to propagate throughout the galaxy several billion years ago. Thus the likelyhood of space fairing intelligent life searching and visiting other solar system is greater.

If you try to bring this up they immediate throw the equation under the bus claiming it in itself is not a theory just an equation to introduce a possibility. Then they jump to tell you about the astronomical data base they are collecting and try to sound like this is the real goal after all.

The most absurd argument I have ever heard a scientist put forth is the "Why would they want to come here?" crap. That and the scapegoat humor angle (ie. We haven't even found intelligent life on earth yet) are quickly used to deflect real questions and to face hard truths. The worst part is that it seems to work. Countless T.V. shows record essentially the same B.S. arguments for the same B.S. scientists. Personally, I hope this is all orchestrated by some nameless, bald, monocled man stroking a persian cat while laughing insanely. Surely this is not what these guys actually think!
 
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