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January 10, 2016 — Chris Rutkowski

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Gene Steinberg

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From pop culture to dealing with ongoing waves of UFO sightings, Canadian UFO researcher Chris Rutkowski is always a voice of common sense. This discussion encompassed a wide range of topics. We even had a chance to explore his interest in sci-fi.

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5:30 in the show earliest I've had to pause and post a reply. I almost shot coffee out of my nose when Chris revealed his Gefilte fish fetish.:eek:
I don't even like eating normal fish let alone horrid fish shmoo.
This is one of the strangest intros to a Paracast that I have ever heard:p Ever hear something and your brain prepares it three ways?:
The slime came out of the TV and gobbled up Kucinch's candidacy..Count Basie..cannabis see. Some Sunday mornings are weirder than others.
Now I listen to the episode.
 
I've had to skip large sections of the last two shows (particularly the one with Micah Hanks) because of the references to Star Wars, as I haven't seen it yet. Otherwise, I don't mind the pop culture references.

I don't think there is much point in asking Chris Rutkowski about moon anomalies, breakaway civilizations and Martian anomalies as those aren't areas that he has heavily researched. When he calls John Brandenberg's work speculation and when at the same time he said that he hadn't looked at his data, it indicates to me that he is speculating on the evidence Brandenberg has put forth in his book and this kind of opinion carries little weight with me.

He also conflated reasonable speculation of breakaway civilizations with alien battles on the moon. This is a common method to make any idea look ridiculous by mixing it with ridiculous ideas. I'm not saying he did this on purpose, but that's how it came across.
 
Not to worry. We really didn't have any "spoilers" about the Star Wars film, or anything beyond what has already been published in the many reviews of the movie.
 
Not to worry. We really didn't have any "spoilers" about the Star Wars film, or anything beyond what has already been published in the many reviews of the movie.

I haven't read the reviews because they always spoil stuff. The only thing I've seen is the teaser and the trailer. Unfortunately, even small bits of information spoil it for me because I can figure out large sections of movies this way. I've had people tell me vague bits of information that enabled me to know something I wouldn't have normally known. So I played it safe and forwarded through until you stopped talking about it. I'll come back to those two episodes later when I've seen the movie.
 
Technomage: "When he calls John Brandenberg's work speculation and when at the same time he said that he hadn't looked at his data..."

Unfortunately, this happens too often.

Technomage: "This is a common method to make any idea look ridiculous by mixing it with ridiculous ideas."

Agreed.
 
i guess controversy is what builds up the posts on a thread, but maybe this is indicative of where Ufology is at? i don't find C. Rutkowski circumspect or dispassionate. all Canadians are passionate. that ATP episode brought up some interesting discussion points. but what is interesting about Rutkowski is that he is truly a representative of the field of science and he is ruling out, and critical of, the speculative. to me that's sensible and is the meaningful direction for Ufology to follow. collect data, investigate, analyse and share.

if anything Rutkowski is so low key, and perhaps his stature goes unrecognized, but he's really covered a lot of territory very seriously for many years and the ideas should be listened to and promoted a little more methinks. for example he's done the work with abductees and he spells it out clearly as all other reasonable Ufologists have: these are people who have lived through trauma and need clinical help. it's not the space for the Ufologist to explore when it involves sexual assault and suicide. again we see shades of Emma Woods and the Jacobs affair. so if the field is to be advanced which directions are the ones to follow and chase down and which belong to pop culture?

should we really give too much or any speculative time to nuclear wars on mars, wars on the moon, off planet officers or, as what Chris O'Brien suggests on ATP, and as Rutkowski has when he examines the high strange elements in his own work, that consciousness studies is what we need to turn to. speculation puts the cart before the horse. there is a unique phenomenon that we are interacting with, or believe that we are, and we need to understand how that works. if there is that one case of actual abduction, that one in a 2,000 year possibility that Rutkowski, or Sagan, might suggest then certainly we need to spend time with that case. and then with all the other cases, we really need to study those people, to understand a little better what their sensory system experienced, how their processing works and what their history is, and explore what correlations we can discover in nature, or come to an understanding about.

Rutkowski asks very probing questions in his own work with some really exceptional case studies and conclusions that he has made. This was summarised a little too abruptly on this show. If you sacrificed the pop-culture conversation you could have got a lot more convincing and informative material out of this guy. He's got to be one of the top figures in the field but not by popularity's estimate which is really sad.
 
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