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Japan NPP: Boric acid and concrete
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trainedobserver
Paranormally Disenchanted
I think it is going to end very badly for the people of that region. Hopefully this will trigger a major call for accountability and change in the Nuclear Energy Industry worldwide. If it doesn't, then aliens might as well come on down and suck our brains out and get it over with, we obviously won't be using them.
boomerang
Paranormal Adept
Badly, I'm guessing. It's very hard for the average news consumer, like myself, to assess such a complex mess with only limited information and understanding. What most of us know about fission reactors, we have gleaned from sound bites and simplistic cartoon diagrams. I can't help but notice that real scientists and engineers interviewed on camera tend to look very very worried. 
Let's hope for the best.
Let's hope for the best.
trainedobserver
Paranormally Disenchanted
Sweet Jesus. The PM of Japan is now saying they have "little reason to be optimistic."
It is pretty obvious now that a core breach has occurred in at least the MOX reactor.
While the news media is trying to concentrate our attention on the Middle East and its yahoos and despots, a nuclear disaster unrivaled in human history is unfolding in Japan. This is horrific.
It is pretty obvious now that a core breach has occurred in at least the MOX reactor.
While the news media is trying to concentrate our attention on the Middle East and its yahoos and despots, a nuclear disaster unrivaled in human history is unfolding in Japan. This is horrific.
Slim Shady
Skilled Investigator
Only person to profit from this disaster will be microsoft >_> hopefully it end well and quickly
Ezechiel
Paranormal Adept
Japanese officials have admitted that the nuclear crisis in Fukushima could become worse than Chernobyl.
The admission came after regulators Tuesday upgraded the crisis at the Fukushima Daiichi plant to a seven on the International Atomic Energy Agency's accident scale - on a par with the 1986 Chernobyl disaster, the worst ever.
Officials said the total leak from Fukushima so far amounted to a tenth of the radiation emitted from Chernobyl, but could yet eclipse the Ukraine disaster. An official from the plant operator, Tepco, said: "Our concern is that it could eventually exceed Chernobyl."
http://www.globalnews.ca/canada/Nuclear+leak+exceed+Chernobyl+Japan+admits/4592399/story.html
Ok so where is the boric acid and concrete ?
trainedobserver
Paranormally Disenchanted
I was astounded that the Anderson Cooper's 360 Story on Japan last night was largely about the abandoned pets in the evacuation zone. He seemed to be encouraging some rescue effort. When the Russians began dealing with Chernobyl one of their actions was to organize hunting parties to kill all the animals in the contaminated zone. Many of these Japanese animals will have been contaminated from being outside and eating who knows what. They are dangerous to anyone they come in contact with. I'm flabbergasted at such sentimentality. Millions homeless, the greatest disaster of modern times in the making and they are talking about risking scarce resources, human health, and lives to rescue abandoned pets in the nuclear disaster evacuation zone! How absolutely divorced from reality can you get?
Im not sure they have all been abandoned, i think some may have lost their owners to the Tsunami itself.
As a dog owner myself i find it hard to watch the poor animals at the 50 second and in particular the 9:15 mark in this clip
That poor little guy is obviously hungry and all alone.
I prefer to think these animals owners have died, rather than being deliberatly abandoned.
Dogs are a big status symbol in japan, i hope someone does rescue these poor creatures
i have 5 dogs myself, including a pair of pound rescued chihuahua's and there is no way i would abandon any of them in any emergency, i'd go hungry myself before id let them go without food.
The idea one of my loyal companions would be as unhappy as the bulldog in that clip breaks my heart
As a dog owner myself i find it hard to watch the poor animals at the 50 second and in particular the 9:15 mark in this clip
That poor little guy is obviously hungry and all alone.
I prefer to think these animals owners have died, rather than being deliberatly abandoned.
Dogs are a big status symbol in japan, i hope someone does rescue these poor creatures
i have 5 dogs myself, including a pair of pound rescued chihuahua's and there is no way i would abandon any of them in any emergency, i'd go hungry myself before id let them go without food.
The idea one of my loyal companions would be as unhappy as the bulldog in that clip breaks my heart
trainedobserver
Paranormally Disenchanted
I love animals too. I have owned several dogs and cats during my lifetime. I think you are right, many of their owners are probably dead. Although I am sure there were many people who had to flee before returning home for their pets. However, I feel that the tragedy of the pets of Japan is outweighed by the great human tragedy and overshadowed by the incredible danger of Fukushima.
The sad fact is that these animals are potentially very dangerous. With resources strained beyond the limit dealing with the human tragedy, should anyone risk their lives, health, and expend precious resources on animals that for reasons of public health safety should be put down? Spending time and money treating contaminated animals during a disaster of this magnitude seems unjustifiable. The most humane thing that could be done at this point would be to put them down when they are encountered. I suspect that at some point before a containment (or whatever the solution is) for Fukushima is constructed they are going to give orders to do that. They are going to have to send thousands of people into that area to do the work. Tens of thousands of people will have their health ruined in the attempt. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that is history is an indicator, the problem is much, much, worse than reported in Fukushima at present and many of these poor animals are already dangerously contaminated.
I think there is scope to help the animals, i really do.
I know in the recent flood disaster in queensland australia, we donated to the human relief effort, and attended a special benefit concert to raise money for the animals affected too.
Anyone wishing to help the animals affected during this disaster can do so here
http://jears.org/
I know in the recent flood disaster in queensland australia, we donated to the human relief effort, and attended a special benefit concert to raise money for the animals affected too.
Anyone wishing to help the animals affected during this disaster can do so here
http://jears.org/
trainedobserver
Paranormally Disenchanted
You don't see the incredible public safety hazard? The judgement call on the waste of resources aside, anyone who enters the radioactive zone and comes into contact with these animals could put themselves and other others in great danger. Are the people rescuing these animals going to be able to screen them properly and ensure that they are not going to present a danger to other people if they bring them out? That would really be something to pull off.
Here is an article about a rescue effort. No mention of the danger posed by the animals themselves.
trainedobserver
Paranormally Disenchanted
<iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/22404071" width="400" height="302" frameborder="0"></iframe><p><a href="http://vimeo.com/22404071">Arnie Gundersen Speaks With Russia Today About the Increased Severity Rating at Fukushima</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user6415562">Fairewinds Associates</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>
I dont know how "hot" these dogs are, and trips into the rad zone are being done by reporters anyway.
I think as long as you keep the trip down to a few hours , wear a respirator to stop you from inhaling particles, and clothing with a disposable coverall, the risk getting in and out is managable.
I cant find any info on how "hot" the dogs might be, but thats only part of the issue, its how long they will stay hot thats important to know.
My own experience with a "hot" dog is not the same conditions as in japan, but i'll tell the story since some elements might be relevant.
I had a wonderful dog called Boris, a Rottweiler who sadly developed a mast cell tumor on his skin.
All the vets said there was no cure, but i kept looking and eventually found the only vet who did an expensive procedure that might work.
Basically a dozen gold beads each about the size of a grain of rice, were neutron activated at a local nuclear reactor.
These were then picked up by my specialist in a lead box and injected into my dog around the tumor site.
He was too "hot" to ride home with us in the car, and we had to hire a dog trailer to tow him home in. the vet insisted the trailer had to be kept in an isolated area of our property for two weeks before we could return it to the hire shop, as it would also be "hot" for a few weeks.
Likewise Boris had to be kept away from the other dogs and us for two weeks, i could only feed and water him quickly, then retreat.
But after two weeks we were able to have him back in the house.
While i dont know for sure, i would guess these animals would need to be quarantined too while they cooled off, ive read they need to be washed straight away as part of a decon program.
I think as long as you keep the trip down to a few hours , wear a respirator to stop you from inhaling particles, and clothing with a disposable coverall, the risk getting in and out is managable.
I cant find any info on how "hot" the dogs might be, but thats only part of the issue, its how long they will stay hot thats important to know.
My own experience with a "hot" dog is not the same conditions as in japan, but i'll tell the story since some elements might be relevant.
I had a wonderful dog called Boris, a Rottweiler who sadly developed a mast cell tumor on his skin.
All the vets said there was no cure, but i kept looking and eventually found the only vet who did an expensive procedure that might work.
Basically a dozen gold beads each about the size of a grain of rice, were neutron activated at a local nuclear reactor.
These were then picked up by my specialist in a lead box and injected into my dog around the tumor site.
He was too "hot" to ride home with us in the car, and we had to hire a dog trailer to tow him home in. the vet insisted the trailer had to be kept in an isolated area of our property for two weeks before we could return it to the hire shop, as it would also be "hot" for a few weeks.
Likewise Boris had to be kept away from the other dogs and us for two weeks, i could only feed and water him quickly, then retreat.
But after two weeks we were able to have him back in the house.
While i dont know for sure, i would guess these animals would need to be quarantined too while they cooled off, ive read they need to be washed straight away as part of a decon program.