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johanna michaelsen and her strange story- is she for real?

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I was wondering have you guys heard of a woman named Johanna Michaelsen (she used to be apolaclypse profiteer Hal Lindsey's sister in law) and her story about how she became a Christian where she claimed to have worked with a "real" psychic surgeon named pachita before strange circumstances made her change her mind, do you think the story is realiable?
 
yeah i know how ludicrous her story is but the thing is ive also found parapsychologists whom claim the psychic she worked with was "for real" like andrijia puharich and stanton maxey and i was wondering are those testimonies just as unreliable?
 
yeah i know how ludicrous her story is but the thing is ive also found parapsychologists whom claim the psychic she worked with was "for real" like andrijia puharich and stanton maxey and i was wondering are those testimonies just as unreliable?

I think your whole question hinges on the words "reliable" or "unreliable". So to answer your question, you need to ask yourself: What evidence and rationale is there for supporting one or the other? The first thing I can think of is that we can remove the idea of Christ and religion from the picture. There's no "reliable evidence" that Christ is any more than a myth, and religion is simply a belief system. So those issues just create noise around whatever is really going on. After stripping that away, focus on a specific claim that you find worthy of examination. If you want to discuss it, a link to a short exposé about it would be helpful.
 
well i want to discuss the supposed psychic surgeon she worked with, this one apparently was "for real" who could remove brain tumours and all, yes i know of the exposes where James Randi hides chicken guts and blood....but this one apperently was "for real"
 
well i want to discuss the supposed psychic surgeon she worked with, this one apparently was "for real" who could remove brain tumours and all, yes i know of the exposes where James Randi hides chicken guts and blood....but this one apperently was "for real"

What evidence is there that the patient was for real? What medical evidence is there that the patient actually had a brain tumor? What evidence is there that the psychic operation to remove the alleged tumor was done in the presence of medical professionals in controlled conditions? What evidence is there that an immediate follow-up examination was done to determine whether or not the alleged tumor was removed? Is any of the alleged evidence verifiable? Show us a chain of evidence that have MRI results corroborated by second and third sets of tests and opinions, medical professionals who handled the case before and after the alleged operation. Demonstrate that no other treatments could have had an effect that the psychic surgeon was taking credit for. Just the fact that we have to ask these questions sheds serious doubt on the reliability of the claim. Half the time I'm skeptical of real doctors, let alone psychic ones.
 
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well i found some of the parapsychologists whom studies her where MDs, and they act like if its legit and claims their patients where cured. but one of the patients even claimed they didnt bother to collect any evidence because no one will believe the
 
well i found some of the parapsychologists whom studies her where MDs, and they act like if its legit and claims their patients where cured. but one of the patients even claimed they didnt bother to collect any evidence because no one will believe the

May I ask why you want to know? Are you looking for alternative cancer treatments?
 
no i want to know because Johanna Michaelsen's story its just so messed up and disturbing and i wanted to be layed to rest for now and ever, besides if her story is right then it would mean that almost everythin people believe on this forum are totally wrong!
 
no i want to know because Johanna Michaelsen's story its just so messed up and disturbing and i wanted to be layed to rest for now and ever, besides if her story is right then it would mean that almost everythin people believe on this forum are totally wrong!

Well, I think what I said before sums it up best, if we think real doctors are so unreliable that we often get second or third opinions, what level of reliability does a psychic doctor, which amounts to the same thing as a witch doctor deserve? The answer is rather obvious don't you think?
 
yeah i know, but the sheer bizarreness surrounding her story and the parapsychologists whom sort of affirm what michaelsen said makes it confusing and better yet ive found testimonial on a spanish blog where people claim that same psychic surgeon michaelsen worked with cured their diseases
 
From what I can tell her story isn't that unique. He manner and delivery are very theatrical and suggest she is enjoying the telling very much. I'm not much of a believer in psychic surgeons myself.

... besides if her story is right then it would mean that almost everythin people believe on this forum are totally wrong!

What? Clapton isn't god?
 
Reminds me of Biedny's incomprehable obsession with the rusty scalpel dude. Everyone has an, "I want to believe" threshold, and we all need to know what our own is, and how to step back and look a little more critically at that line in the sand.
 
the thing is its not that i want to believe its that i DONT want to believe it but there are all these stories out there of this psychic surgeon that michaelsen talked about that just bothers me, because I just have that feeling I can trul believe that michaelsen is a total fundy loon with out refuting this nonsense inlight of that other evidence
 
the thing is its not that i want to believe its that i DONT want to believe it but there are all these stories out there of this psychic surgeon that michaelsen talked about that just bothers me, because I just have that feeling I can trul believe that michaelsen is a total fundy loon with out refuting this nonsense inlight of that other evidence

You just asked how "reliable" the story is. I think that's been answered, but nobody here is going to be able to confirm that it is either true or false with %100 certainty.
 
Perhaps there are some people out there with a random set of genetic and/or "metaphysical" gifts. I've met a couple people amongst the rubble that I consider "gifted".

These psychic surgeries are hard to believe though. Other than trying out being gay (nothing wrong with that tho, sorry Duck guy) I'm big into "don't knock it til ya try it". I'd have to get it done to me or see it in person with someone verifiable as the subject. My mind would probably be blown if it were true, but I think most of us here are gonna put that in the "far fringe" filing cabinet.

That being said, if people want to believe something enough... placebo is a hell of a drug.
 
The key thing here is the concept of psychic healing in general and not individual "operators" as it were.

All the "healers" I've encountered or read about appear to be frauds. If there are "real" mystic healers out there I don't know of any.
 
As with most "Paranormal" abilities....it only takes one case which is put through the rigors of the scientific method. So far no one has been able to do this under the proper scrutiny of science, being reproducible, verifiable, and peer reviewed. Until this can be done and verified it s in the same category as bigfoot, chupacabra, and sex after marriage.
 


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