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Tonight on Dark Matters Radio I host researcher and former Conspiracy Theorist Norio Hayakawa. Norio is the head of the Civilian Intelligence Central org. and will be talking about .. among other things ... Area 51-Bob Lazar-Gary Schultz-Bill Cooper-Nippon TV ... to name a few things. (How do I know? It's my job as Host to know .. LOL!) Only on CyberstationUSA. We start at 10:00 PM Pacific Time. Go to www.dqrm.com ... see ya on the radio!

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Sounds great Don! Norio goes wayyyyyy back in the field just like you, will be great to hear you guys on together again.

Love the conspiracy image.
 
I would love to hear him talk about Gabe Valdez and his conclusions particularly in light of Greg Bishop's latest revelations on the identity of Falcon. That is to say, the Alien Mythos appears to be a government generated smoke screen ...but for what exactly? What were those mutilated cattle contaminated with which caused Gabe to advise to never go near them?

Also, Norio should do a improvised version of the Dark Matters theme. The man be jamm'n.
 
First I want to say that Norio is great researcher and I always love his interviews, he is very articulate and his contribution to the field should not go unnoticed. With that said I called into the show with a bone to pick.

I wanted to make the point that Norio is hell bent on discrediting the ETH, however, for over 20 years he dedicated his life to promoting it. I find it curious that if the ETH theory has no legs, how could he have been so compelled to spend so much time and effort pursing it (and arguably believing it).

He now says "well in 1970 I entertained the Ultra-Diminesonal theory," but if that was the case, he would not have been down at the little Alie-Inn in Rachel Nevada (1992), investigating and promoting Bob Lazar and his claims of working on a physical nuts and bolt alien craft. Additionally, he would not have been wowed by Mike Younger and his "insider information."
In short, I simply find it odd Norio suggests that there is absolutely NO evidence for physicals UFOs when he actually spent the majority of his life looking into that very subject. If, as he contends, it was so cut and dry, how do you spend so much time hanging out with Lazar and Lear. Clearly, there must have been something compelling there that led him on this journey after all he wasn't spending this time researching mermaids or the easter bunny.

Similarly, there is a guy named Stan Deyo. Originally, he spent the 1980's promoting himself as a Bob Lazar lite. He too was supposedly recruited by Ed Tellar, he too had hands on experience with zero point energy and anti-gravity, he talked about reverse engineering and black budget disk shaped craft. Similar to Lazar he too "escaped" the long reach of the U.S. government (by moving to Australia). However, today he is a proponent of the whole demonic UFO theory. Again, if the whole phenomena is merely a manifestation of evil, then how did he spend half of his time dealing with the scientific physics of the whole thing. How was there a black budget nuts and bolts craft? Was it back engineered from devils?

It seems to me that it is now popular to diss ET UFOs in general. All the "cool kids" are now out there downplaying this hypothesis, despite spending half their lives living and breathing it. Greg Bishop, Tim Binall, Norio, etc now go out of their way to relegate UFO's to nothing more than "more reports". Greg Bishop dedicated an entire interview with Tim Binall to the topic of "why we are bored with UFOs." They then went on to explain how far-fetched the notion has become (all while suggesting more bizarre theorys like hollow earth and lost civilizations that live in the ground are plausible). If the topic is so outlandish and so easy to dismiss (the ETH that is) why 20 years later are you still carrying on about it, making radio shows about it, basking in prior glory over it. Simply move on, make a baseball podcast or one that revolves around pink unicorns.
 
I haven't listened to the episode with Norio yet, but I'm listening to the episode with Butch Witkowski now and I just wanted to say that it's fascinating stuff. Thanks again Don for what you're doing.
 
withoutlimits09 said:
SNIP It seems to me that it is now popular to diss ET UFOs in general. All the "cool kids" are now out there downplaying this hypothesis, despite spending half their lives living and breathing it. Greg Bishop, Tim Binall, Norio, etc now go out of their way to relegate UFO's to nothing more than "more reports". Greg Bishop dedicated an entire interview with Tim Binall to the topic of "why we are bored with UFOs." They then went on to explain how far-fetched the notion has become (all while suggesting more bizarre theorys like hollow earth and lost civilizations that live in the ground). If the topic is so outlandish and so easy to dismiss (the ETH that is) why 20 years later are you still carrying on about it, making radio shows about it, basking in prior glory over it.
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I must be an original cool kid. For almost 20 years I have been promoting the approach of exhausting all potential closed-system explanations for UFOs before we jump off planet and embrace the ETH hypothesis. Too many different types of craft have and are being reported. Too many different types of "aliens" are seen doing the same exact things decade after decade like they've never done them before, i.e., picking up rocks and flowers scooping up soil samples, allegedly using low-tech medical procedures on abductees, etc. This doesn't add up IMO. Sure, there is a possibility that these beings are from off-planet, I would never rule this out, but I personally don't think so. I agree w/ Vallee, Keel and McKenna: "there may be another tenant in the building."
 
Yeah I gotta agree with Chris, ETH was fine when we didn't know as much about the phenomenon and we didn't have the knowledge of quantum mechanics and physics that we have today. IMO those two fields have opened up our formerly mundane reality to so many new possibilities that it's kind of silly at this point to jump to ET conclusions, there's really so much about this planet we're on that we have left to learn even with the strides we have made. What's behind the UFO phenomenon may be one of those things.
 
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