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Leaked Dead Alien Photo from Mexico's Roswell

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Lavarat

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I realize this was posted here before, but its so interesting and the Mexico Chihwuahwa(spelling bad) case or Mexico's Roswell case.

Questions to ask:

1. Did a hoaxer profit from it?

2. Would a police officer leak a hoaxed photo?

3. Does the twisted neck and bruised lower right chest indicate it came from a crash?

4. There is 1 known photo, would a hoaxer be this quite?

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You can check into but I am pretty sure it came from a Policeman in Mexico who was in the Military at the time of this crash.

http://www.ufobc.ca/yukon/alienphoto.htm

Wether a real leak or if its a very talented hoax, nobody has claimed to be responsible and apparently no money behind a hoax motive?

I am baffled

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Funny.

Seriously, the pic isn't a leaked Alien. It's been referenced countless times on the web.
 
Just because we don't know who the hoaxer is doesn't neccesitate further scrutiny. We often think that hoaxers either want money or fame. This thinking doesn't fully explain reasons for hoaxing. And I don't think anyone could list all potential reasons for doing so. They could be quietly smiling about this photo that keeps re-surfacing. They may be monitoring peoples reactions to it, conducting some kind of test. They may ..... (fill in the blank)

Why do serial killers kill for a time and stop for 10 years only to do it again? Why do they kill in the first place? I'm not trying to compare serial killers and hoaxers in any kind of tantamount way, but just trying to illustrate that trying to find reasons for peoples actions is sometimes futile.
 
TClaeys said:
They could be quietly smiling about this photo that keeps re-surfacing. They may be monitoring peoples reactions to it, conducting some kind of test. They may ..... (fill in the blank)
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Then perhaps it would be better if people would stop reacting to these photos and realise that they are of no real value.

The best you can do is say "well, it could be an alien - if only we knew what aliens looked it..." - and that's it. Until the existence of extraterrestrial (or crypto if you like) intelligent life is confirmed by the established scientific community and the various species have been catalogued, the authentication of any photographic evidence has to be in doubt. If these things are real and the establishment want to deny their existence to the rest of us, then all they have to do is maintain this stance. They control what is 'real'. That is how the establishment can shape the consensual reality - set up a framework of proof (in this case the established sciences) and then control what is and isn't allowed to be proven by that framework. Peer review and consensus are the main mechanisms used by the scientific community to throw out unpalatable 'truths'.
 
EVERYONE HAS AN OPINION

EVERYONE THINKS THEY ARE THE RIGHT ONE

EVERYONE DOESNT WANT TO LISTEN TO AN OPINION OTHER THAN WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR.

IN THE END IF YOU WANT TO GAIN GROUND IT COMES WITH INVESTIGATING WHAT CAN BE PROVED.

APPARENTLY you in this thread decide to believe what CANNOT be proved.
 
Lavarat said:
EVERYONE HAS AN OPINION

EVERYONE THINKS THEY ARE THE RIGHT ONE

EVERYONE DOESNT WANT TO LISTEN TO AN OPINION OTHER THAN WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR.

IN THE END IF YOU WANT TO GAIN GROUND IT COMES WITH INVESTIGATING WHAT CAN BE PROVED.

APPARENTLY you in this thread decide to believe what CANNOT be proved.
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CAPS-LOCK key stuck again?

Yes everyone has an opinion and yes they believe it to be the right one - who would hold an opinion that they believed to be the wrong one?

I agree that there are people with closed-minds and you're right, you can't change their minds if they're already made up. So, now what?
 
Well, I like it and as I mentioned in the other thread, it's my favorite "grey" pic in terms of my subjective perception of it's realism but as has been pointed out, we don't have anything to reference it against. Unless some new information comes out I don't see how this is going anywhere. Another reason I like this one is because it's wearing a little jumpsuit which nobody ever seems to mention. Most popular depictions of greys have them running around in their birthday suits.

One thing I do find a bit curious is that since Dean is known to be the source of the photo and considering how much airtime Dean has had over the years I can't recall ever once hearing him actually discuss this photo. Perhaps he did at conventions years ago or something but I've never heard or seen an interview with him that mentioned it. If anyone is aware of any print or recorded interviews with Dean where he discusses the story of this photo with any more detail than he mentioned in the initial newsletter I'd appreciate a reference.

If anyone out there actually has a captured dead alien and wants to leak photos in this day and age they are really going to have to up the ante. If somebody actually captured an alien you can bet there would be no less than several thousand high resolution photos covering every square centimeter of the body with multiple macro shots and x-rays of every last bit of the anatomy. Every type of imaging device ever created would be used on it. I think I would need to see an entire portfolio of these types of images to give any credence to them.
 
dorkbot said:
Every type of imaging device ever created would be used on it. I think I would need to see an entire portfolio of these types of images to give any credence to them.
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Surely the ultimate proof would be meet one of these beings in the flesh and see that it is indeed a living entity. Photo's tells us nothing - you can't distinguish between a model (CGI or latex) and a 'real' being and a still image gives you no idea of how the 'being' reacts to it's environment and other intelligent beings such as it's human 'captors'.

I say, a portfolio of images, x-rays, CAT scans etc is still no more convincing than a single image because they too can be fabricated. Just look at any Sci-Fi film with a decent effects budget - they can and do produce all of these things. Now imagine that those same effects teams decided to produce an 'anonymous' set of images and release them to the public as an 'experiment' - kudos to them if they get heated debates about the 'authenticity'. They can put that on their CVs and their careers are assured.
 
Rick Deckard said:
I say, a portfolio of images, x-rays, CAT scans etc is still no more convincing than a single image because they too can be fabricated.
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Well, I'd basically agree but my main point was just that if you wanted to get any good mileage out of a dead alien hoax these days you would really need to pull out all the stops and make such a portfolio. I'd also guess that while the special effects guys can fake this stuff for movies the major advantage they have is that they control the camera angle, focus and exposure, whether a physical camera or a virtual one, to conceal flaws in their work. I'd say that hoaxing an entire portfolio of medical images that actually looked like real scientific medical imaging would be a major and very expensive undertaking. Could it be done? Sure, but a hoax of that magnitude would imply thousands of man hours and a huge budget. Something else you can bet exists if there really is a captured dead alien somewhere would be something like A.D.A.M. It's also been pointed out elsewhere that even if you have physical possession of a body it tells you nothing about what they are like or what they are doing here.
 
dorkbot said:
Well, I'd basically agree but my main point was just that if you wanted to get any good mileage out of a dead alien hoax these days you would really need to pull out all the stops and make such a portfolio. I'd also guess that while the special effects guys can fake this stuff for movies the major advantage they have is that they control the camera angle, focus and exposure, whether a physical camera or a virtual one, to conceal flaws in their work. I'd say that hoaxing an entire portfolio of medical images that actually looked like real scientific medical imaging would be a major and very expensive undertaking. Could it be done? Sure, but a hoax of that magnitude would imply thousands of man hours and a huge budget. Something else you can bet exists if there really is a captured dead alien somewhere would be something like A.D.A.M. It's also been pointed out elsewhere that even if you have physical possession of a body it tells you nothing about what they are like or what they are doing here.
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Good response - I obviously misunderstood your initial point.

I don't know. Who do we believe? Who do we trust? Who's got the most credibility? Who's got the most to lose? Who's got the most to gain? I suspect the answers to those questions are different for everyone. This willingness to believe and dismiss the information available is totally subjective. We each live in our own realities.
 
Lavarat said:
Is anyone of common sense around?? The above posters are a bit clueless of reality.
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Look, I tried to at least give something to the discussion. If I'm completely clueless then I will just skip any posts by you. I'm not one to mock or make fun of people. I like to discuss and try to discern some meaning from this forum. But your blanket statement that everyone here in this thread is clueless is, ... well, not quite accurate.
 
I could post a pic of one of my turds claiming it was an alien . . . and someone, somewhere out there would believe it. They'd fall back on the old "You can't prove it's NOT an alien" argument for support, not realizing that proving a negative is impossible. Like brain dead lemmings they repeat the mantra of "You can't disprove it" as if that were a viable substitute for providing proof.

People like this only ensure that the UFO community will be widely regarded as idiots and schizophrenics for the foreseeable future.

HEY LOOK EVERYBODY, I FOUND A PHOTO OF A REAL ALIEN! LOOK! LOOK!!
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What? You say that's a dude in a cheap suit? PROVE IT!!! PROVE IT!!! If you can't PROVE it then it must be real . . .cuz I'm stupid like that . . .


Pshaw.
 
DBTrek said:
HEY LOOK EVERYBODY, I FOUND A PHOTO OF A REAL ALIEN! LOOK! LOOK!!
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I knew it! Banana Republic IS part of the coverup! Now we just need to find the link that ties them to Karl Lagerfeld!
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