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I was disappointed to say the least in Mack Maloney's answers. I submitted two questions and he avoided answering either of them like they were the plague. Even though Chris asked him about the Die Glock/The Bell, Maloney wouldn't consider that it existed. Chris tried to bring up Joseph Farrell's book and Maloney just got his back up and talked over Chris. You could tell he wasn't about to change his opinion about anything he had written in his book.

His answer to the question about countries keeping secret technology was laughable. Why wouldn't the US just let everyone know they had advanced technology, he said. Two words Mack... stealth technology. How long did the US keep that secret from everyone? He totally ignored Chris on the question of Gary McKinnon. Talk about close minded. The guy was basically rude from the time Chris tried to make him consider other alternatives.

One of topics in Maloney's book was that the Nazis didn't have a plane that could reach either Argentina or Antarctica, thus The Bell could not ever reach those countries. I did an search and it seems that South Africa was pro Germany in that period of time. The Nazis could have refueled there and reached either country in question. I am sure there were other African nations that were pro Germany as well. After Maloney's little snit I didn't believe anything he had to say.
 
I found myself agreeing with Mack regarding the state of technology, but I don't agree with the Mogul explanation of Roswell.
 
I thought he was a pretty good guest and I tended to agree with him. One exception was when it comes to Bennewitz, where like Chris I broadly agree with him but not entirely- it was nice to hear Chris challenge him on that.
 
people that don't pronounce "r"s in their speech creep me out for some reason. Mack pronounces some of them but not all of them.
 
pixelsmith said:
people that don't pronounce "r"s in their speech creep me out for some reason. Mack pronounces some of them but not all of them.
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I lived in Cambridge MA for two yea-ahs and thank gawd this lack of ahhs in New England speech didn't rub off on me linguistically. Think I'll take my caw to the bah its too fah to walk.
 
Chris can you tell me why they talk like that? I have always been interested in different dialects.
 
When DaveM mentions stealth technology as a hole in Mack's stance I think he's right on target, but in regards to Nazi's as much as American secrets. I'm reminded of the National Geographic special where aerospace experts reconstruct the Horten 229. Seems to me, abandoned, or incomplete project or not, his attitude toward the potentiality of the Bell project or any sort of long distance Nazi aircraft (realized or on the drawing board) seems overly dismissive. It doesn't seem unreasonable to me that scientists, and facilities – and thus any documentation of such projects – would have been destroyed as things began falling apart for the Nazi's. That said, I can understand, taking the stance from a researcher's point of view, that if no evidence exists, the chances of random speculation gleaning anything worth talking about from the esoteric ether would be remote at best, and one's energies would be better spent on other topics in the dark that can more readily have light shed upon them. Interesting show either way, and I may have to book myself a flight to Russia.
 
Gene, it was interesting how you asked Mack about these secret facilities suffering cut-backs, seeing how it's been now disclosed that HAARP is shutting down.

I'm at 55:58 on the show, so I don't know if everyone's secret climate-manipulating station gets mentioned further ahead, though ;)
 
Clinton, if you can entertain the possibility that The Bell did exist, I would imagine that the Americans, British and Russians would have swooped in and taken any documentation and scientists and moved them to their own countries. Thus there would be no information of the project existing. I just dislike when certain authors dismiss other books like Joseph Farrell's without blinking an eye. Sometimes you find some of the most closed minded people in the UFO field. Don't you think?
 
I liked the show. On the Nazi Bell issue, I don't doubt that the Nazis were researching all kinds of stuff that was exotic for its day, but I also agree with Mack's opinion that there's no believable evidence that the Nazis succeeded in creating antigravity propulsion based craft with or without the help of aliens, or that they've got some hidden base in Antarctica, or other cultural mythology associated with the Nazis. I've also checked out some of Farrell's stuff on breakaway civilizations, but I don't subscribe to the "Farrell Corollary" to the Kardashev scale. One of the things that causes his logic to fall apart is that it's all tied into a global financial scamming network that is funneling trillions of dollars into a vast underground system ( including crime ) in order to finance what we perceive to be alien technology from a clandestine breakaway civilization.

Well let's just think about that for a moment. There are supposedly a few elite scientists working for this global cabal. What are they doing ... paying them a billion dollars a week? But it doesn't end there. What are they spending the money on? We're supposed to believe that these projects are using resources beyond the entire GDPs of several nations combined in order to acquire all the materials and people required to build all the facilities needed to build a secret breakaway civilization, enormous UFO mother ships, and all the rest. The problem with this is that we've got orbiting satellites that can read license plates from space, space based ground penetrating radar, a massive global military detection network, and billions of people wandering over the face of planet, yet there's no evidence of such a high tech breakaway civilization anyplace on Earth. It's just not a reasonable or believable scenario whether the government is in league with them or not. By now it would have been discovered by somebody. All we have are theories and no substantial evidence.

Farrell explains the lack of evidence away as massive compartmentalized use of manufacturing within our own society. So we're supposed to believe that there are thousands of companies working on high technology, that they have no idea what it is or who it's for, and that nobody has ever gotten curious enough to follow these clues back to their clients? How about when the IRA comes knocking and asks who paid the massive amounts of money for all these parts? What do these suppliers tell them? As if, "uh ... I dunno" is going to be good enough. By now these mystery customers would have have raised the interest of a task force dedicated to rooting them out, the investigators would have a big list of what they'd purchased, and the compartmentalization would have broken down enough for the bigger picture to come together. Lastly, let's not forget the evil threat factor designed to silence the whistleblowers. Why do they let Farrell go around shining a great big light right where they don't want it to be? Please ... this conspiracy requires so much of the improbable that it goes far far beyond the complexity of the standard ETH in terms of likelihood.
 
Mack Maloney was a sincere guest who did good research based on his beliefs. As Chris pointed out that there is other good research that points in another direction. The strength of science is that it is always proving itself wrong. We have been taught that the world works in a certain way and it is hard to change that out look even when the facts prove other wise. As for the government keeping secrets from the people. This could not happen since the government is there to serve the people and is only there at their behest. Good show
 
Interesting question raised, I thought, that being: "would you lie to the KGB?"
My thoughts:
Q: what do you say to someone who has the power to remove you from your job, lock you up indefinitely or even torture or kill you?
A: exactly what they want to hear.
And that isn't always (maybe isn't often) the truth. For just the same reason as it's said that information obtained by torture is useless because people will say anything to avoid being tortured, similarly when the interviewer is feared by the interviewee, there's the same risk.
So if the KGB ask questions along the lines of "you know something about UFOs, and you're going to tell us", then there's every chance that unreliable information will be passed on.
Also, regarding former military personnel of the former Soviet Union, many of them went from very good incomes to virtual poverty with the collapse of communism, and it's not inconceivable that they may regard tapping into the western UFO market - as a new and exciting source of secret knowledge - as a potential money-spinner.

Really good episode, I thought.
 
While I have to admit that it kind of seems like pure personal taste to give credence to something like Aztec or the M triangle stories and at the same time not even consider that there might be something to the Nazis trying to build anti-gravity devices and flying discs, I am absolutely on Mr Maloneys side on this one. While these industrious murderous SOBs that ruined my country's self-esteem for good undoubtedly put a lot of research and manpower into trying to gain air superiority, which might have resulted in some disc-shaped protoype, that doesn't mean they gave things like anti-gravity, space or even time travel any thought. "Die Glocke" doesn't seem to have any manoeuverability or streamline, so why anyone would think this might be a good idea for air travel, beats me. IMO, that's all myth-bulding, induced and fuelled by speculative authors and right-wing esotericists, especially the idea that they managed to get this technology to South America or the Antarctic and might be responsible for the UFO phenomenon.

As for the foo fighters, what kind of Nazi or man-made war technology should those have been? Unmanned, remotely controlled drones that give away their position by glowing brightly? That do nothing but seemingly just observe, zip around and play a little cat-and-mouse with the enemy airplanes, instead of crashing right into them? Well, maybe the remote operators tried but had trouble steering them with one hand while the other was holding the binoculars...sorry, bad joke.

All in all, nice show. I especially like the stories they tell about the M triangle, and I can understand why Mr Maloney wants to visit. Wonder when the military-industrial complex is going to cordon it off so that the Stalkers can move in to have a Roadside Picnic.

Btw., what do y'all think would be good candidates for the "hiding in plain sight" Mr Maloney's "spook friend" mentioned?
 
Polterwurst said:
I'm German and that's how I see the Nazis. The "industrious" is meant as a sarcasm, referring to the systematic killing-off of millions of people.
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Oh, gotcha. I didn't realize you were German. It's interesting you say that regarding Germany's self-esteem though, because as an outsider looking in it has seemed to me that Germany has done a pretty good job of just moving past the Nazi incident and has recovered quite well. Young people in particular don't seem overly concerned about it, at least from what I've been able to tell.
 
SPX said:
It's interesting you say that regarding Germany's self-esteem though, because as an outsider looking in it has seemed to me that Germany has done a pretty good job of just moving past the Nazi incident and has recovered quite well. Young people in particular don't seem overly concerned about it, at least from what I've been able to tell.
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I guess it's a kind of counter-movement now with young people, but otherwise, "moving past" is not really the right word. More like "self-abasement" or "brooding". I was born in 1970, and it's basically been "Be Ashamed!" from day 1, at school, in the media, by peers etc. (at home, the subject was carefully avoided at any cost). And of course, over and over again, by politicians (not only german ones). "Be ashamed to belong to the people who knowingly allowed a bunch of raving extremists to form their government, destroy millions of lives, cause immesurable pain and suffering and lead them into destruction without a second thought".

And you get reminded of that on every possible occasion, not only by your own people. Hardly a week goes by without these horrible scenes from the concentration camps on TV. There's commemorations, memorials, monuments, speeches etc. And you're asking yourself over and over again, "what would you have done? would you have been one of the opportunists, a follower or just too scared to act? would you have seen the injustice and done something?"

When I typed in my last post that I'm german, I instantly felt guilty. It's like an instinct. It's silly, I know, but that's how deep down into the subconscious this education and my own brooding over these things has reached.

Actually it's no wonder that the younger generations got fed up with it and act as if it's not that big of a concern any more. I can't blame them, they are so much removed from that time now. And Gene is absolutely right about the romanticizing. The kids nowadays mainly know Nazis as these doomed-to-fail "awesome bad guys" of the Indiana Jones movies and the like. You don't see much of the industrialized death and banality of evil they represented in pop culture. So why should the kids think these action movie caricatures have anything to do with them or should make them feel ashamed?

But under the surface, there is a lot of thinking going on and people are wondering how could that happen, why didn't anybody see what they were about, and if they did see it and didn't speak out - what does that mean for me? IMO there is no way we can ever get rid of that, not for many generations to come.

Btw., Germany's speedy "recovery" in the 1950/60s (called the economic miracle here) was mainly due to having to rebuild so much. Nothing like nationwide destruction to boost economy.
 
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