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stonehart

stonehart

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stonehart said:
Read the wording in this and see if anything hits you.


H.R. 6566  (ih) - Mass Fatality Planning and Religious Considerations Act



this pops out at me


Ah just what other purposes would that entail? I wonder if the recent purchases of ammo has to do anything with that

DHS won't explain its order of 450 million hollow point bullets — RT

Or am I just being paranoid?
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Dang. That's almost as much ammo as I have in 9mm, .357, .22LR, .308 and 12 ga., .40 cal is OK I guess but I just don't use it.
Of course, all my ammo goes to mercilessly wiping out nasty papers with circles on them, and the occassional heinous plastic bottle of water.
 
stonehart said:
Read the wording in this and see if anything hits you.


H.R. 6566  (ih) - Mass Fatality Planning and Religious Considerations Act



this pops out at me


Ah just what other purposes would that entail? I wonder if the recent purchases of ammo has to do anything with that

DHS won't explain its order of 450 million hollow point bullets — RT

Or am I just being paranoid?
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You're not paranoid. This is some pretty scary sh*t. I hope we're not in for another Waco or Heaven's Gate.
 
RenaissanceLady said:
You're not paranoid. This is some pretty scary sh*t. I hope we're not in for another Waco or Heaven's Gate.
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Yeah it made me step back when a fellow anon posted that in chat... I think you Americans (if you live there) are in for a bit of a rough ride in the year and years to come.
 
It's better to be prepared than unprepared for whatever kind of "disaster" may befall us, and if it's some kind of terroism or war, then it's also better to have the ammo you need. Why make it easy for them to take us down? Lock and load!
 
I heard a spokesman for social security try justifying the purchases because their police force needed the rounds in part for target practice/firing range on npr. I was quite angry that the interviewer didn't question the use of hollow point ammo for target practice. A friend of mine who is a gun collector told me besides the"stopping power" the rounds have because they flatten out they also tend to stay in the body. That is they usually won't pass through a body and ricochet around a room
 
ufology said:
It's better to be prepared than unprepared for whatever kind of "disaster" may befall us, and if it's some kind of terroism or war, then it's also better to have the ammo you need. Why make it easy for them to take us down? Lock and load!
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I feel the same way Ufology. It might be a one sided fight if the powers-that-be decided to revert to fascism or all out theocracy. It would be awful, bloody and incredibly violent.......and I'm sure they would put up a good fight before they were eradicated.;)
I grew up in a survivalist family, I'm retired US Army.....and I pray that all my preps and provisions rot away from never having to be used.
I want my kids to have a good life, ...not living in a polluted, war torn desolate world. You know I think that might just be my worst nightmare.
 
spookymulder said:
I heard a spokesman for social security try justifying the purchases because their police force needed the rounds in part for target practice/firing range on npr. I was quite angry that the interviewer didn't question the use of hollow point ammo for target practice. A friend of mine who is a gun collector told me besides the"stopping power" the rounds have because they flatten out they also tend to stay in the body. That is they usually won't pass through a body and ricochet around a room
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And hollow points are less accurate. They also "mushroom" out creating a much larger wound cavity than a wad cutter or full metal jacket ball round.
Using hollow points for target practice is like using salad tongs to thread a needle.
 
ufology said:
It's better to be prepared than unprepared for whatever kind of "disaster" may befall us, and if it's some kind of terroism or war, then it's also better to have the ammo you need. Why make it easy for them to take us down? Lock and load!
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If I heard of this story two years ago before I joined this forum when I was closer to a "woo woo" guy I'd have to ask just who or WHAT is it you need to unreservedly put down that would require the use of hollow points. I suppose in lieu of automatic weapons, if one is just issued a handgun, hollow points would be a good alternative considering how our are citizens armed, hell we could probably take on a third world army but when I heard that target practice was offered as a reason I thought do I want to be protected from terrorists by an agency that thinks target practice is a reasonable use of hollow point bullets ?! Of course I'm being tongue in cheek but why not at least offer "potential terrorists" undercover as armed to the teeth welfare cheats as an excuse? it would seem to me the government didn't want to come out and say it is scared of it's constitutionally armed citizens or an invasion? so what do they think (or know) that makes them scared of either scenario? If there were war clouds on the horizon I probably wouldn't think twice about this story, the lack of any mitigating circumstances scares the bejesus out of me, unless of course we do have a huge problem with welfare cheats.
 
The role of a law enforcement official is to STOP the bad guy, only using lethal force as necessary. Then bring them to "justice"...you know that thing the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are supposed guarentee.

Hollow points are for killing. Period.
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exo_doc said:
The role of a law enforcement official is to STOP the bad guy, only using lethal force as necessary. Then bring them to "justice"...you know that thing the Constitution and the Bill of Rights are supposed guarentee.

Hollow points are for killing. Period.
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That has always been my understand of this.

and did you see how many rounds they purchased ... that's a hell of a lot of target practice.
 
If you use hollowpoints in a firefight, you need to practice with them. Train like you fight, very basic. That said, we all know cops generally use light rounds, which explains why they routinely expend so much ammunition to take down some random punk. So the question does remain to some degree why so many are needed. Hopefully we won't find out too soon.
 
The world is an increasingly tough neighborhood. Just talk to anyone familiar with the Mexican drug cartels right across the street from us. Not to mention the wide assortment of both organized and chaotic crazies both home grown and from widely abroad. The key concepts here are accountability and constitutionality.
 
I think Pickles is right. My understanding is that, if you carry a gun, you should optimally practice with the exact type of ammo you would be using in a fight. Hollow-points are not an unusual choice for law enforcement, since they tend to over-penetrate less than full metal jacket (FMJ) rounds. A FMJ round is more likely to pass through cars, buildings, etc. and hit non-targets. A hollow point round also tends to dump more of its energy into the target and is more likely to result to incapacitate them. FMJ rounds are, at least in Pennsylvania, illegal for deer hunting, I'm assuming because they have a greater likelihood to wound instead of quickly killing the animal. Hollow-point ammo is, I believe, banned by the Geneva convention for use in warfare; however, small arms weapon and ammo design has incorporated ways to make the bullet tumble inside the victim's body. One type of .303 Enfield ammo was designed to turn end over in inside the target. The 5.56×45mm round (used in the M4/M16 systems) is supposed to do this. The 5.45x39mm round (used in the AK-74) is supposed to do it better. But all of them were intended for FMJ rounds.

Anyway, the long and the short of me nerding out here is just to say that, in my opinion, there is nothing exceptionally ominous or unusual about a law enforcement agency buying hollow point ammunition. One thing I do wonder about is the amount of practice and training:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/09/nyregion/new-york-police-recruits-need-more-gun-training-in-real-life-scenarios-critics-say.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

Ammo prices have also climbed significantly in the last few years, and I wonder if the large purchase may have been a way to contract for a fixed price.

Things I wonder about more is the tendency of the U.S. to willfully create ghettos and at least passively cooperate with the Sinaloa cartel to bring drugs into the country, while at the same time keeping drugs illegal. Perhaps when things become sufficiently unstable, people will welcome a draconian government.
 
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