Maybe marshall should seek out batman for protection

[Wade]

Marshall Fine Receives Death Threats For Negative ‘The Dark Knight Rises’ Review on RottenTomatoes.com - International Digital Times

so apparently it's not batman who dies, or was that a bit too much ?

 

[Snidely Whiplash]

I think this is so stupid. Nolin's Batman interpretation of the Batman is the best so far to date, but please Dark Knight was not that good. I thought Begins was better. I am a fan of the working montage though.

 

[Wade]

Because of what happened in aurora, I sorta hoped this thread would sure a quick death like most my threads do.

 

[Snidely Whiplash]

Don't be discouraged @spookymulder, I like your threads. Screw everyone else.

 

[Muadib]

Yeah Dark Knight was decent, but take Heath Ledger's performance out of that movie and what do you have left that's good? Not much.

 

[Wade]

Yeah Dark Knight was decent, but take Heath Ledger's performance out of that movie and what do you have left that's good? Not much.

He did set a pretty high bar with that performance true, but he had a good script. Some of the lines and themes in that movie i.e. his mad dog chasing a car and the whole some men just can't be reasoned with, want to see the world burn even the early harvey dent monologue at the restaurant about granting too much power, etc. I think these things really hit us where we live which made the whole shooting thing especially hard hitting. The early reviews of TDKR are from what I've read, o.k., no great shakes but there is a tendency that some people can't leave well enough alone. I think EVERYBODY in TDK just nailed it, maybe heath made everyone else rise to the occasion..and there is natural and understandable inclination to go one better on the next step and I think that the effort while appreciated, is unnecessary.

As far as nolan, I do like his movies, I do like to think, but again, he can't leave well enough alone, he piles on, his movies tend to be "too busy" I had to watch TDK and memento twice each before I could get a grasp of what was going on.Although the muffled dialog and hans's score in TDK didn't help. I hear there is the same issues in TDKR and that it is intentional ?

 

[trainedobserver]

Marshall Fine Receives Death Threats For Negative ‘The Dark Knight Rises’ Review on RottenTomatoes.com - International Digital Times

This how dangerously removed from reality people can get. Death threats and mass murder over a piece of corporate property of which the person making the threat or committing the murders had no connection with other than as a consumer of said corporate property. A property I might add, that is in the pure fantasy genre having no basis in reality whatsoever.

This is the world we live in now. People who cannot tell fantasy from reality are fed increasingly real appearing imaginary worlds through ever improving media presentations to the point where their real world actions are dictated by an unrealistic and unjustifiable estimation of the worth of these fantasies to the individual. Does it get any more insane than that? Ok, rioting over sports events, but when you dissect even that it comes down to the same thing: The over estimation of the worth of or the identification with a consumer product created by a corporation for the sole purpose of creating wealth as opposed to espousing a philosophy, religion, or way of life that the consumer mistakenly takes it to be doing.

 

[Muadib]

I think it just goes to show how relatively easy some people have it in this country. You certainly don't see people with real problems shitting their pants because someone didn't give their favorite movie the thumbs up they thought it deserved. Yet here in America and in richer countries all across the world there's this very real sense of entitlement that people have. When you're handed everything and get your way your entire life, is it any wonder that these people have unrealistic expectations that they then apply to every aspect of their lives?

 

[trainedobserver]

I think it just goes to show how relatively easy some people have it in this country. You certainly don't see people with real problems shitting their pants because someone didn't give their favorite movie the thumbs up they thought it deserved. Yet here in America and in richer countries all across the world there's this very real sense of entitlement that people have. When you're handed everything and get your way your entire life, is it any wonder that these people have unrealistic expectations that they then apply to every aspect of their lives?

I think that is an incredible over generalization. I cannot relate in the slightest. I've lived in the United States my entire life and nobody has handed me a thing and I only rarely get my way about anything be that from corporations, government, or anywhere else for that matter.

I think this is about the culture producing and tolerating nonfunctional people who can't cope with the real world. The lines between fantasy and reality are increasingly blurred by high technology mixing with ignorance and apathy to produce people who have been taught to interpret their lives through the fantasies of others. This is evidenced by the recent Batman Rises threats and violence as well as the growing influence of fringe Internet conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones, David Icke, Jeff Rense, and so forth as political and spiritual influences.

True enough though, if we were spending more time worried about basic needs like food, shelter, and creature comforts there would less energy to put into other pursuits.

 

[Muadib]

I think that is an incredible over generalization. I cannot relate in the slightest. I've lived in the United States my entire life and nobody has handed me a thing and I only rarely get my way about anything be that from corporations, government, or anywhere else for that matter.

I think this is about the culture producing and tolerating nonfunctional people who can't cope with the real world. The lines between fantasy and reality are increasingly blurred by high technology mixing with ignorance and apathy to produce people who have been taught to interpret their lives through the fantasies of others. This is evidenced by the recent Batman Rises threats and violence as well as the growing influence of fringe Internet conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones, David Icke, Jeff Rense, and so forth as political and spiritual influences.

True enough though, if we were spending more time worried about basic needs like food, shelter, and creature comforts there would less energy to put into other pursuits.

Yes I may have been over generalizing, but please don't think I was singling out the US, I live in the US as well. My point was there are people out there who are used to getting their way and have severe trouble dealing when they don't. This contributes to the culture producing and tolerating and, in some cases, glorifying people who can't cope with the real world. Look at all the reality TV shows out there glorifying the rich and vapid. I don't agree with you that it's high technology at fault. I think it's more a case of bad parenting and a society that's becoming increasingly non confrontational. When you go through your entire life and your biggest worry is what some critic is saying about a Batman movie, or what happened in your online video game, it creates the circumstances that can lead someone who's unable to deal with adversity to then lose their mind over something so trivial.

I say this as a person who has spent his life playing video games and losing myself in fantasy worlds to some degree. Not to mention being actively involved in discussing and evaluating conspiracy theories and other fringe topics. So why haven't I lost my mind? Perspective. My life circumstances have given me perspective that others lack. I can simply say "Well, compared to this, this and this, how bad is it really?" when confronted with adversity, because adversity is no stranger to me. That's what I was saying, and I apologize for not stating it more clearly. I certainly wasn't insinuating that everyone in the US is one of these people I'm talking about, but they are out there and they're far more prevalent in rich countries compared to poor countries for obvious reasons.

 

[trainedobserver]

M,

I can't disagree with what you are saying other than I'm not laying the blame on technology. I'm just saying the technology to simulate and falsify reality combined with other factors such as you suggest can create some problems.

Interestingly enough the bat-killer was a doctorate student studying human behavior. He was no dummy. It will be very interesting to learn what his real motives were to throw his life away in such a senseless act.

 

[Wade]

Yes I may have been over generalizing, but please don't think I was singling out the US, I live in the US as well. My point was there are people out there who are used to getting their way and have severe trouble dealing when they don't. This contributes to the culture producing and tolerating and, in some cases, glorifying people who can't cope with the real world. Look at all the reality TV shows out there glorifying the rich and vapid. I don't agree with you that it's high technology at fault. I think it's more a case of bad parenting and a society that's becoming increasingly non confrontational. When you go through your entire life and your biggest worry is what some critic is saying about a Batman movie, or what happened in your online video game, it creates the circumstances that can lead someone who's unable to deal with adversity to then lose their mind over something so trivial.

I say this as a person who has spent his life playing video games and losing myself in fantasy worlds to some degree. Not to mention being actively involved in discussing and evaluating conspiracy theories and other fringe topics. So why haven't I lost my mind? Perspective. My life circumstances have given me perspective that others lack. I can simply say "Well, compared to this, this and this, how bad is it really?" when confronted with adversity, because adversity is no stranger to me. That's what I was saying, and I apologize for not stating it more clearly. I certainly wasn't insinuating that everyone in the US is one of these people I'm talking about, but they are out there and they're far more prevalent in rich countries compared to poor countries for obvious reasons.

The thing is, more often than not it seems whenever they do a psych profile on these guys the one thing that stands out more so than any other is that regardless of their financial status they are often described as quiet and keep to themselves, real loners. Instead of talking these things out to loved ones they probably lose themselves in whatever is available to them. If they do reach out, I bet it's to others that feel the same and validate whatever ill feelings that are felt.in that it could it argued that the internet enables them. I don't think they go onto dr. phil they go to the appropriate forums or any place that emboldens their already existent anti-social tendencies.

 

[Muadib]

M,

I can't disagree with what you are saying other than I'm not laying the blame on technology. I'm just saying the technology to simulate and falsify reality combined with other factors such as you suggest can create some problems.

Interestingly enough the bat-killer was a doctorate student studying human behavior. He was no dummy. It will be very interesting to learn what his real motives were to throw his life away in such a senseless act.

Wow, well in that case what I said may not apply to him. If you've got a doctorate, chances are you had to work your ass off to get it and probably had to face down at least some type of adversity on your way. I hadn't heard that and I agree that it will be interesting, I was going to add some stuff about psychotropic drugs, because with a lot of these mass murders the perpetrators are usually found to be on some kind of SSRI or NRI type drugs. Now whether the drugs are a contributing factor is debatable, but it seems to me that they are prescribed a bit too freely in our society these days. I find it hard to believe that out of whack serotonin or norepinephrine levels are truly to blame for such a large portion of the population being depressed. Then again, I'm no doctor, just noting what I believe is a strange coincidence.

 

[Muadib]

The thing is, more often than not it seems whenever they do a psych profile on these guys the one thing that stands out more so than any other is that regardless of their financial status they are often described as quiet and keep to themselves, real loners. Instead of talking these things out to loved ones they probably lose themselves in whatever is available to them. If they do reach out, I bet it's to others that feel the same and validate whatever ill feelings that are felt.in that it could it argued that the internet enables them. I don't think they go onto dr. phil they go to the appropriate forums or any place that emboldens their already existent anti-social tendencies.

Which just furthers my point about bad parenting and the non confrontational direction of our society these days. Everyone is so busy worrying about hurting each others feelings that these people don't get confronted with the hard truths about their personalities or what they're losing themselves in. Let's not forget that long before the internet and technology were so prevalent in our society, there were mass murders.

 

[stonehart]

I have not seen the new movie yet... May go in a week or two and I am not bothered by spoilers.