Missing UFO Mythology ?

[Zeropoint1971]

Like most people who listen to the paracast, I have a profound interest in ufology, with a deeper interest being in the theories that we have recovered and back-engineered alien craft.

But if we do indeed have these type of crafts, I find it strange that in all the ufo related material that I have read over the years I don't think I have ever read any kind of story which details how we have used these craft!

If the craft are indeed operational, I assume that they have been tested outside our own atmosphere.

Then why haven't there been any stories on this particular issue ?

 

[Frootloop]

If we do have our own craft based upon back engineered ET craft, how would we know if the UFO's and strange phenomena present in our skies arent controlled actuall craft controlled by humans?

Take the massive V shaped craft reported over Phoenix and the recent sightings over Florida, these are large structured craft that could have humans aboard..... But to know for sure, we have to wait for the army to disclose such information.

Some believe that our stealth craft are based upon reverse engineered technology..... but again, how do we confirm this?

 

[Michael L.]

You will find references to a secret space force here and there... kind of like "Stargate" or something.

 

[Goody]

If these craft that zip around our skies are piloted by man, you would think that the intertia would liquify them.

I have read somewhere that the gases present in the human skin makeup respond to gravity in such a way to create a balance that keeps us in tact and safe; thus, the atmosphere inside the cabins of these craft are supposed to have been altered to somehow change how the gases in our skin respond to gravity & thus this change overcomes the repurcussions of the pressure of intertia.

Dont know, that was poorly described so exuse me please....But can anyone elaborate on this?

Goody.

 

[auntiegrav]

If these craft that zip around our skies are piloted by man, you would think that the intertia would liquify them.

I have read somewhere that the gases present in the human skin makeup respond to gravity in such a way to create a balance that keeps us in tact and safe; thus, the atmosphere inside the cabins of these craft are supposed to have been altered to somehow change how the gases in our skin respond to gravity & thus this change overcomes the repurcussions of the pressure of intertia.

Dont know, that was poorly described so exuse me please....But can anyone elaborate on this?

Goody.

I don't know about the supposed organic gas ratio thing. Sounds kinda new-agey.
I do know that there was a physics paper written by Bernard Haisch and a couple of others that addressed inertia as an aspect of electromagnetic fields and space-time. I emailed him about it, but he was not impressed with my interpretation of it and kinda snubbed me in his response(completely to be expected, since I'm a lunatic fringe kinda guy).
Anyway, the point to it is that if you can figure out a way to control the electromagnetic fields in a specific space in the right way (not addressed how this would happen in the essay), then your inertia would be nulled, and any small force would produce almost infinite accelerations. In other words, if you could make yourself 'look' like a neutrino to the universe around you, you could travel like one, too. I'm guessing the tricky bit is keeping all of your atoms in one piece (which they are not, anyway) and in the right places during the trip. It would be like herding an infinite number of cats that all move at the speed of light.
(not to mention their 'tude problem...)

 

[auntiegrav]

Like most people who listen to the paracast, I have a profound interest in ufology, with a deeper interest being in the theories that we have recovered and back-engineered alien craft.

But if we do indeed have these type of crafts, I find it strange that in all the ufo related material that I have read over the years I don't think I have ever read any kind of story which details how we have used these craft!

I tend toward believing that humans do have such technology and craft, and they have had it for a long time. If so, then I've got the hokey answer for this question: We don't see stories about the thing they most want you to ignore. In other words, we see stories about everything BUT what is actually going on. Lack of this single story isn't proof, of course, just a piece of a circumstantial puzzle.

If the craft are indeed operational, I assume that they have been tested outside our own atmosphere.

Then why haven't there been any stories on this particular issue ?

As in the previous answer, if you think in terms of something that has been around for a while (not back-engineered, just engineered), and the development of which stimulated visitation by extra-terrestrials, then a convenient method of burying any story about human craft is to make any sightings look like just part of a hysterical wave of public panic, which then became 'idiots seeing lights', and now has become information which is totally non-news.
If part of the real ruling class of the world is involved, then perhaps this quote will help:
"The class inhibitions that haunt the contemporary press under its multimillionaire ownership are responsible in large measure for the neurotic character of American newspapers. Because so many fields of editorial investigation and exposition are taboo, the press as a whole must confine itself to a relatively restricted "safe" area.
This accounts for the undue measure of attention given to the underworld; to petty scandals involving actresses, baseball players, and minor politicians; to sporting affairs and the activities of the quasiwealthy. The press, in short, must compensate for enforced lack of vitality in dynamic fields by artificial enthusiasm in static fields. In place of an evenhanded, vital, varied daily news report, the American press as a whole is obliged to present a lopsided news report that is of doubtful reader interest. And in order to recapture the constantly waning attention of readers it must rely upon comic strips, inane "features", contests, gossip columns, fiction, cooking recipes, instruction columns in golf, chess, bridge, and stamp collecting, and similar nonsense. American newspapers, in short, are, paradoxically and with few exceptions, not newspapers at all."
-Ferdinand Lundberg, "America's 60 Families", c. 1938

 

[pininmefin]

Interesting development recently in england concerns a computer hacker.Who "discovered" a file in our defense department listing"non-terestrial officers".Could be a clue into what you'r looking for.Apearently the U.S. Has won extradition to try him here for hacking into the defense dept.computers.It would make a great episode.Listening gene?

 

[Astroboy]

Interesting development recently in england concerns a computer hacker.Who "discovered" a file in our defense department listing"non-terestrial officers".Could be a clue into what you'r looking for.Apearently the U.S. Has won extradition to try him here for hacking into the defense dept.computers.It would make a great episode.Listening gene?

I'd love to believe this guy but using a dial up modem and obsolete computers to do hacking is very suspect. He's got no evidence not even a screen shot.

Sounds like a tall story by a hacker who got caught and now is trying to draw attention to his case.

 

[auntiegrav]

Interesting development recently in england concerns a computer hacker.Who "discovered" a file in our defense department listing"non-terestrial officers".Could be a clue into what you'r looking for.Apearently the U.S. Has won extradition to try him here for hacking into the defense dept.computers.It would make a great episode.Listening gene?

I'd love to believe this guy but using a dial up modem and obsolete computers to do hacking is very suspect. He's got no evidence not even a screen shot.

Sounds like a tall story by a hacker who got caught and now is trying to draw attention to his case.

A hacker who got caught, yes. But why the hoopla from the military over it? Why extradition instead of just getting Scotland Yard to handle it?
The government has huge numbers of systems, huge numbers of files. Could have just been someone's amateur attempt at science fiction, using the computer at work 20 years ago or more, and the file was put with other text files. We don't know enough details, so speculation is all we have.
A hacker that knows what they are doing could probably find their way through an awful lot of directories on a dialup connection once they got access to a secure mainframe. Any reports and personnel records wouldn't have pictures or video or anything, just text in multiple short files. Most government stuff doesn't look like it does on TV or movies, where everyone has holograms and retina scanners. The government works with low bidders in most areas, and thus, has to standardize and keep everything as maintainable as possible. It took them a lot of years to switch things from all paper to PC's, and it takes years to upgrade any one department. The 'government' has some of the best computer security available, and the most expensive, but it has to be prioritized by department and project, so something is always behind or outdated somewhere. We flatter ourselves thinking that the UFO stuff is always going to get anything they want. Maybe there are higher priorities now that we can only imagine, not to mention interference from minor things like wars and oil depletion and terrorism on the legit side of the buildings.

 

[Astroboy]

Interesting development recently in england concerns a computer hacker.Who "discovered" a file in our defense department listing"non-terestrial officers".Could be a clue into what you'r looking for.Apearently the U.S. Has won extradition to try him here for hacking into the defense dept.computers.It would make a great episode.Listening gene?

I'd love to believe this guy but using a dial up modem and obsolete computers to do hacking is very suspect. He's got no evidence not even a screen shot.

Sounds like a tall story by a hacker who got caught and now is trying to draw attention to his case.

A hacker who got caught, yes. But why the hoopla from the military over it? Why extradition instead of just getting Scotland Yard to handle it?
The government has huge numbers of systems, huge numbers of files. Could have just been someone's amateur attempt at science fiction, using the computer at work 20 years ago or more, and the file was put with other text files. We don't know enough details, so speculation is all we have.
A hacker that knows what they are doing could probably find their way through an awful lot of directories on a dialup connection once they got access to a secure mainframe. Any reports and personnel records wouldn't have pictures or video or anything, just text in multiple short files. Most government stuff doesn't look like it does on TV or movies, where everyone has holograms and retina scanners. The government works with low bidders in most areas, and thus, has to standardize and keep everything as maintainable as possible. It took them a lot of years to switch things from all paper to PC's, and it takes years to upgrade any one department. The 'government' has some of the best computer security available, and the most expensive, but it has to be prioritized by department and project, so something is always behind or outdated somewhere. We flatter ourselves thinking that the UFO stuff is always going to get anything they want. Maybe there are higher priorities now that we can only imagine, not to mention interference from minor things like wars and oil depletion and terrorism on the legit side of the buildings.

You make some good points. I would like to see David and Gene interview him also.

As far as why extradiction and the military involvement, well, he did break into defense related computers. Sometimes the gov just like to make examples of people, especially ones that used antiquated computers and equipment to hack so that they can't spoof their addresses and hide their identities.

Maybe he just broke into the NASA Twinkie supply depot and got caught. But, seriously, if your old computer was taking forever to download the image file of moon bases wouldn't you try to take a screen shot? Or maybe he was using a Commodore 64.

 

[Ron Collins]

the guy says that he forgot what the screen shot key sequence was. I kinda believe that. I have used VNC for years, but I cant tell you what the screen shot sequence is. I just dont use it enough. He also says that he had a conversation with one of the admins using the notepad. I bet that guys flippin burgers now.

All in all, the jury is still out. However, the guy says he was inspired to do this because of the Disclosure project and some ex-NASA employee that says where this stuff can be found. So, he gets access to those systems and the first image he gets is good.

As for the modem thing, the slower the connection, the smaller the bandwidth usage signature. Just thinking about it and it is probably smarter to hack using a modem. Its easier to mask IP's and locations, less bandwidth draw to trip the filters, etc.