Most Persuasive Theory on the UFO occurence.

[Drew UK]

Which single theory of potential sources for genuine UFO phenomenon do you accept most or are being strongly drawn towards?

Although many people may prefer a combination of sources - I want to ask which is the most compelling?

Having been a listener to the "PC" over 2 years ago and been able to spend more time thinking around these paranormal subjects. I have begun to change my opinion on some of the theoretical explanations.

I would like to know, what theories of other people are now most predominant in there analysis - given the dissection and examination of the "noise".

 

[skunkape]

Maybe various combinations of all of the above. Maybe something so far out your brain would implode if you fully comprehended it. The fact that popular culture tries to pretend that "all" of this stuff is the product of delusional minds is a joke I don't laugh at.

 

[Ron Collins]

Though I too have begun to lend more credence other possibilities, I would have to say that I lean more towards the "other solar system but within our galaxy" explanation. Its rather mundane compared to some of the theories, but I'm a mundane kinda guy.

 

[skunkape]

Which single theory of potential sources for genuine UFO phenomenon do you accept most or are being strongly drawn towards?

Although many people may prefer a combination of sources - I want to ask which is the most compelling?

The most compelling, in my humble, 3-beer-buzz before noon theory...is that all of Creation is a single "Grand Thought"...for whatever reason, this "thought which contains all thoughts" thought it might be fun to play stupid. God is a schizophrenic that thinks it is everything else.

 

[fitzbew88]

Though I too have begun to lend more credence other possibilities, I would have to say that I lean more towards the "other solar system but within our galaxy" explanation. Its rather mundane compared to some of the theories, but I'm a mundane kinda guy.

It's funny how we feel that this is mundane now!

 

[Siani]

I chose 'none of the above'. When I was younger, I was a firm (though not true!) believer in the extra-terrestrial hypothesis. Then, as I grew older and developed a more analytical mind, I began to see connections between the UFO phenomenon and other paranormal phenomena. Many experiencers have witnessed what appears to be poltergeist-type behaviour manifesting alongside UFO and/or entity sightings. Also, UFO experiencers frequently report other paranormal encounters, e.g. with apparitions or cryptids.

I often wonder if there's a single source at the heart of all paranormal phenomena - perhaps some kind of cosmic joker or trickster that likes to play games with us. I can almost picture some kind of non-human intelligence saying to itself, 'what game shall I play with those idiot humans today? Will I be Bigfoot? A huge triangular craft? A bug-eyed, bald grey guy? Nah, I'll be a flying disc with pretty lights instead'. Whatever lies behind it, I suspect, is way too complex for us to grasp - for now, at least.

 

[Drew UK]

Thanks for your response and additionally your explanation of choice -

I often wonder if there's a single source at the heart of all paranormal phenomena - perhaps some kind of cosmic joker or trickster that likes to play games with us.

Could I put this under thought and spiritual/god?

Interesting philosophical aspect - trying to reciprocate the argument
Could you be convinced that our perception of the solid world is just a game also. That maybe existance/our game as we define it is played out in our brains (X-box) - that what we are, and everything around us - is/are just pac men trapped in an interesting piece of software, and that perhaps the paranormal are anomolaties and bugged programs written in the package of our existance.

Whatever lies behind it, I suspect, is way too complex for us to grasp

Can us Pac Men reach outside of the screen to the joystick and the mouse and keyboard and understand the software that we are stuck to - perhaps change it?

Then I could also say that maybe there is an interdimensional aspect?

Thanks for the response again, it's deep thinking stuff - need to relax:

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[CapnG]

I voted none of the above. Some of those explanations I disregard but most I hold as equally valid. We simply don't KNOW so speculation is pointless. Certainly the general public has been lead to believe the interplanetary/intergalactic explanation.

 

[Siani]

Could I put this under thought and spiritual/god?

No god for me - I'm an atheist!

I've often toyed with the idea that this existence of ours is some kind of crazy virtual reality, but only in my more abstract moments .

It's weird - although I'm an atheist, and reject all that fairytale Biblical stuff, I also feel that the universe, and all it contains, is more than just the result of some random space-fart. Then again, if something made the universe, who/what made that something, ad infinitum. That's when my brain goes into overload, and I say 'enough'. No wonder people invented gods and suchlike to explain our existence. They needed a safety net to stop themselves going insane through pondering such questions as 'what are we?', 'who made us?' and 'why are we?'.

 

[Aaron LeClair]

The only common theory I don't subscribe to is crypto-terrestrial, unless the time traveler bit is thrown in. It might be beings that originated from Earth, but I don't see how it could be from the past or present. If it was the past, it was very distant, their evolution was sped up and they left long ago and are returning. Still seems like a stretch to me.

 

[Gareth]

The only common theory I don't subscribe to is crypto-terrestrial, unless the time traveler bit is thrown in. It might be beings that originated from Earth, but I don't see how it could be from the past or present. If it was the past, it was very distant, their evolution was sped up and they left long ago and are returning. Still seems like a stretch to me.

Really? It seems to me at this point that its more likely that there have in fact been past advanced civilisations on earth. I could easily see a group surviving from the ancient times in parallel with us.

I find the theory about the greys, with big eyes seeing in the dark, and white/grey pasty skin from spending so much time out of the sun really compelling.

 

[Aaron LeClair]

Really? It seems to me at this point that its more likely that there have in fact been past advanced civilisations on earth. I could easily see a group surviving from the ancient times in parallel with us.

I find the theory about the greys, with big eyes seeing in the dark, and white/grey pasty skin from spending so much time out of the sun really compelling.

They wouldn't let us reign such as we have if they shared the Earth with us. If they can spread out in space, they could spread out on land. They haven't. Also, they'd need invisible cities, even if they're underground (I don't buy into the hollow earth btw) they would have been detected by now I figure. I've never seen any compelling evidence that we're sharing the world with intelligent species, except for say dolphins etc. In order to develop space flight, you need to start with land. They would have left all sorts of evidence of their society. Til I see an ancient saucer dug up, or plans, buildings that weren't made from dirt lol etc. I'll not be convinced.

Greys seem to do just fine in daylight. Never heard of one squinting at least.

 

[Gareth]

Greys seem to do just fine in daylight. Never heard of one squinting at least.

they only squint when trying to see long distances. Terribly short sighted, is what I hear.

 

[Aaron LeClair]

they only squint when trying to see long distances. Terribly short sighted, is what I hear.

Some say the blackness isn't their actual eye, but some sort of device. It's just conjecture, but maybe it blocks the sun in the day and increases visibility at night. Corso claims their "eyes" or the film over it, inspired night vision. I'm far from convinced about Corso, but who knows....

 

[Drew UK]

I voted none of the above. Some of those explanations I disregard but most I hold as equally valid. We simply don't KNOW so speculation is pointless.

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They needed a safety net to stop themselves going insane through pondering such questions as 'what are we?', 'who made us?' and 'why are we?'.

Why are people afraid to think? - Is it too much labour, too complicated?


I get frustrated some times when a long comes some evidence, it then goes through the vetting process, a myriad of idea's and speculation is promoted then we all revert back into the loop of saying it is too difficult for us- we put ourselves in the comfort zone of "humanity is thick!!".

I don't believe in thick or intelligent students. I believe in people with the desire to work hard and patience to reveal the answers.



When IRA bombs detonated in London - The police, forensic, special branch would sweep up every piece and reconstruct the orignal bomb - and find out who made it.

When base pairs of DNA were revealed - Adenine, Thymine, Guanine and Cytosine - we put in long hours/years to find out all genes in human DNA.


We may not be able to produce any answers, but from here on in - and in respect of the Presocratics, Eleatics, Academics, Atomists, Cynics, Stoics, Sceptics, Christians, Scholastics, Scientists, Rationalists, Empiricists, Idealists, Liberals, Evolutionists, Pragmatists, Materialists, Existentialists to the New Scientists I think we need to go to the next level.


When the going get's tough........ <O</O

 

[Anubis]

Personally, it is my belief that outside experimental and secret military aircraft originating on Earth, the "other" sightings are time machines/travellers from the future.

 

[Drew UK]

Personally, it is my belief that outside experimental and secret military aircraft originating on Earth, the "other" sightings are time machines/travellers from the future.

Soz - Missed out the "time" factor.
Thanks for giving a reason for other explanations.

It seems that theres a heavy band on the "other explanation" category.
It is useful to know what these other explanations are!! Need to pour more solvent on this category to see the separation elute on this chromatograph.

Without an explanation I am going to infer that this "other explanation" band will fall somewhere on a combination of theories - perhaps my question was not precise enough?

Once we have the spectrum of theories we can plot the first axis.

Confused yet? - The experiment has only just begun.

 

[CapnG]

Why are people afraid to think? - Is it too much labour, too complicated?

You've misinterpreted, "fear" has nothing to do with it nor labour nor complication- it's redundant. All these thoughts have already been thought out by persons far more intelligent and more dedicated than we. And what did they come up with? NOTHING. They have no definitive answer.

Further speculation on a subject you cannot analyze is a pointless waste of time and energy.

We may not be able to produce any answers, but from here on in - and in respect of the Presocratics, Eleatics, Academics, Atomists, Cynics, Stoics, Sceptics, Christians, Scholastics, Scientists, Rationalists, Empiricists, Idealists, Liberals, Evolutionists, Pragmatists, Materialists, Existentialists to the New Scientists I think we need to go to the next level.

What makes you think there's even a "next level" to go to or that if there is we can actually get there? It's just more speculation!

 

[fitzbew88]

You've misinterpreted, "fear" has nothing to do with it nor labour nor complication- it's redundant.

You mean since the speculation has been speculated before, it's unwarranted? Ok.

All these thoughts have already been thought out by persons far more intelligent and more dedicated than we.

Hmmm. I guess that's a valid opinion, but breakthroughs don't necessarily come from the most intelligent and most dedicated.

I feel a little uneasy about uninviting people to study the UFO phenomenon on the grounds that the smart people haven't figured it out yet.

And what did they come up with? NOTHING. They have no definitive answer.

I'm not sure that "No Definitive Answer" = NOTHING

They did come up with a lot of stuff. Someone may have even come up with the Definitive Answer. They just didn't realize it.

Further speculation on a subject you cannot analyze is a pointless waste of time and energy.

Well, what you said was: "...We simply don't KNOW so speculation is pointless....". However, that's clearly wrong. The purpose of speculation is to fill in the gaps of what you don't know. Once you KNOW, then speculation is pointless.

What makes you think there's even a "next level" to go to or that if there is we can actually get there? It's just more speculation!

Well, we are exploring the unknown. We assume there is something to find. We are speculating there is something to find. What's wrong with that? Speculation is fuel for our curiosity.

The problem is when we confuse speculation with conclusions.

 

[Drew UK]

All these thoughts have already been thought out by persons far more intelligent and more dedicated than we. And what did they come up with? NOTHING. They have no definitive answer.

What?? Who??!!

Which people are more intelligent than us? - What are you saying?

I believe that everybody in the paracast community is just as adequate as dealing with the issues than anybody else - Interpreting data / examining irregularities and driving to some form of conclusion.

Science is a philosophy - it is not something that is taught -
Masters/Docturates/Kings of Chemistry/Physics/Biology and the World and everything in it is not a measure of intelligence - merely a familarity of a particular discipline.

Who's the brains then - big man - CapnG??
The spadeworkers of nuclear physics - and of Hiroshima and Nagasaki?
Wow pal, Genius hey???!!

What makes you think there's even a "next level" to go to or that if there is we can actually get there? It's just more speculation!

Well at 1526 posts your trying your hardest and I compliment you on that - how about 1527 or more.

Speculate to accumulate.
Thanks.

Drew.