Mutilation Device?

[tlc8126]

First, my appreciation to dB and all he has done for The Paracast. Best of luck and prosperity to you. You will be missed.

Now, I work in a medical field as a technician. I help in the development of Electrical Surgical Units. I have seen what some of the Research papers say can be done with these devices when they are tuned to the specific tissue they are being used on. Could this be a possible instrument used in the mutilation cases? I thought about this as I listened to this past weekends show - the one from Mar 20, 2010.


Regards to all,
T

 

[ALPHA ROMEO UNIFORM]

First, my appreciation to dB and all he has done for The Paracast. Best of luck and prosperity to you. You will be missed.

Now, I work in a medical field as a technician. I help in the development of Electrical Surgical Units. I have seen what some of the Research papers say can be done with these devices when they are tuned to the specific tissue they are being used on. Could this be a possible instrument used in the mutilation cases? I thought about this as I listened to this past weekends show - the one from Mar 20, 2010.


Regards to all,
T

Interesting "A Laser" device:question:

 

[trainedobserver]

These devices that you are talking about aren't really all that portable are they? Don't they require large, heavy power supplies?

 

[tlc8126]

These devices that you are talking about aren't really all that portable are they? Don't they require large, heavy power supplies?

These devices typically run off of std power (120V/150V rms, 50/60 Hz), but portable power generators would allow them to be run in various mobile capacities (albeit the power generators can be somewhat noisey, but lately portable power generators have become rather compact and silent). Even then, you would still need a power cord - but that is only if these units are used as I know them. Who is to say that there are versions that have futuristic power sources, etc. I can't speak for mobility otherwise (I.E. Battery powered, or some other kind of power source).

They don't use light or 'laser' technology, just high voltage (800Volts peak to peak sine wave) and can cut like a scapel, but also cauterize the tissue to limit bleeding. It's not an answer as to why the carcases are being found bloodless, but the actual hides/skins could possibly have been cut out with one of these E.S.U.s and a surgical pencil. (For more details, check Google for "electrosurgical generator'.)

My question is this, has anyone compared the sections of hide from a mutilation (at the point where it was cut) with hide cut from an Electrosurgical Unit/Generator? I would like to know how they compare.

P.S. They can only be purchased by medically licensed professionals and hospitals. And most people who go in for an operation have no idea what these devices are, or that they are being used on them.

 

[Christopher O'Brien]

My question is this, has anyone compared the sections of hide from a mutilation (at the point where it was cut) with hide cut from an Electrosurgical Unit/Generator? I would like to know how they compare....

Yes they have. The show Sightings did a segment on the mutes where they subjected raw chicken to the (at that time) new Army field laser unit. The operator mentioned that it was one thing to do surgery out in the field on human flesh—quite another to cut through tough cowhide. The comment was made that the reason why we make shoes out of cowhide is because it is so tough. The Army officer said that it would take a minimum of several passes to cut through mandible hide and that the cut would not be neat and clean like we see on the few mute "high heat" incision cases. And the subject of portable power supplies i.e., noise, bulkiness, battery life etc was also mentioned as problem areas etc etc

 

[ALPHA ROMEO UNIFORM]

Yes they have. The show Sightings did a segment on the mutes where they subjected raw chicken to the (at that time) new Army field laser unit. The operator mentioned that it was one thing to do surgery out in the field on human flesh—quite another to cut through tough cowhide. The comment was made that the reason why we make shoes out of cowhide is because it is so tough. The Army officer said that it would take a minimum of several passes to cut through mandible hide and that the cut would not be neat and clean like we see on the few mute "high heat" incision cases. And the subject of portable power supplies i.e., noise, bulkiness, battery life etc was also mentioned as problem areas etc etc

Hi Christopher,
Yes portable laser device rigged to a chopper or HumV would be easy. In addition , nano=technology devices?

 

[pixelsmith]

i still feel these mutilations are performed by insects. i have seen studies on this and the holes made by certain insects are indeed surgical in appearance.

 

[ALPHA ROMEO UNIFORM]

Hi pixelsmith,
Pretty big insects and genetics could be another possibility from some rouge element who wants to cut through the red tape regarding experiments for gene therapy?
Money has no bounds it seems when it comes to crime.

Peaceful existence,
blowfish

 

[pixelsmith]

not big ones. somewhat small insects as i recall. museums and certain laboratories use insects to clean up carcasses.

 

[ALPHA ROMEO UNIFORM]

Are we talking in the thousands to do such damage (swarms)?

 

[pixelsmith]

Are we talking in the thousands to do such damage (swarms)?

probably. i am no expert. my brother is a "bug wrangler" and knows all about them. i will give him a call and see what he thinks about mutilations.

 

[Christopher O'Brien]

i still feel these mutilations are performed by insects. i have seen studies on this and the holes made by certain insects are indeed surgical in appearance.

Many times I have closely watched the process that occurs when a head of livestock dies and is scavenged by birds, animals and insects. I have revisited cases days, weeks, months, years later. Yes, scavengers can tear hide and insects can slowly smooth out incisions and clean carcasses, but neither of them can cut hair follicles in a straight line like a scalpel, sharp knife or high-heat.