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My Mother Talks to Aliens

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The Pair of Cats

a.k.a Philip Deane
I have submitted an Australian documentary about a Melbourne Veterinarian whose mother researches UFOs, abductions and alien visitation. His scepticism of his mother's research has strained their relationship to the point where the mother challenges him to accompany her on a journey along the east coast of Australia where they encounter abductees, sceptics and possible proof.

In parts 5 to 7 you will see them talk to Peter Khoury about his very strange abduction case and the alien hair sample. (starts at 6.00 min in part 5)

Peter Khoury interview @ 6 minute mark.
 
I went straight to the concluding video to see how the guy changed over the course of the programme. Quite interesting. I've not been a fan of the Khoury case since reading the book and checking some of the details on the internet. The guy was laid up in bed with a head trauma and busted leg as I remember? He was on painkillers and medication with hallucinatory side-effects wasn't he? The analysis of the hair was unsatisfactory imo. On the other hand, aren't all the trace evidence cases self-defeating in one way or other?

Her son seems pretty reasonable there.

I'm going to watch another part to see how his mother comes across.

ETA: Just watched the 1st part and it paints a pretty good picture of what all this shit is about. Towards the end, there's the guy talking about being taken aboard a craft. There's his mum, listening carefully. There's him sitting there in awkward bemusement. The awkwardness spreads into nervousness and they get giggly.

We often get bogged down in assumptions that different 'sides' have agendas and goals. In this short scene, there are three people who are sincere in their own beliefs. In a forum context where it's easier to act like an asshole and not worry about feelings, the son could be laughing at the guy and suggesting he's making it all up. The man would be accusing the son of being a typical skeptic/debunker.

To a large degree, I've come to accept that even some debunkers are sincere in their beliefs and that the guy/gals in the forums talking about experiences/abductions are equally sincere. A great many more aren't, which is where the bickering between 'sides' comes in and isn't likely to be resolved any time soon. In the eye of this storm, I guess there are some interesting discussions to be had.
 
I went straight to the concluding video to see how the guy changed over the course of the programme. Quite interesting. I've not been a fan of the Khoury case since reading the book and checking some of the details on the internet. The guy was laid up in bed with a head trauma and busted leg as I remember? He was on painkillers and medication with hallucinatory side-effects wasn't he? The analysis of the hair was unsatisfactory imo. On the other hand, aren't all the trace evidence cases self-defeating in one way or other?

Her son seems pretty reasonable there.

I'm going to watch another part to see how his mother comes across.

ETA: Just watched the 1st part and it paints a pretty good picture of what all this shit is about. Towards the end, there's the guy talking about being taken aboard a craft. There's his mum, listening carefully. There's him sitting there in awkward bemusement. The awkwardness spreads into nervousness and they get giggly.

We often get bogged down in assumptions that different 'sides' have agendas and goals. In this short scene, there are three people who are sincere in their own beliefs. In a forum context where it's easier to act like an asshole and not worry about feelings, the son could be laughing at the guy and suggesting he's making it all up. The man would be accusing the son of being a typical skeptic/debunker.

To a large degree, I've come to accept that even some debunkers are sincere in their beliefs and that the guy/gals in the forums talking about experiences/abductions are equally sincere. A great many more aren't, which is where the bickering between 'sides' comes in and isn't likely to be resolved any time soon. In the eye of this storm, I guess there are some interesting discussions to be had.

I've only watched two parts so far thanks for posting Philip. I felt had a sort of feeling something was not quiet right with the guy who took the polygraph, before watching the second video. He said the craft was like oval-shaped, then in another breath he claims it was 7stories in height the measurements don't add up to me at least. His story was too elaborate and there was other parts that just did not make sense least to me again, and here is another person claiming they've been taken aboard a UFO ship during an experience.

This is a perfect example, to why Abduction research can't be taken on face value and be trusted fully. You see a guy convinced as hell something happened to him, or maybe he was just taking advantage of this womens kind nature and beliefs about this topic, anyway the guy was trying to pull a fast one for reasons only to him, but there is plenty of people like this guy who attend UFO- conferences and tell people they've been abducted when the truth is they have not, it just a crazy story that person is revealing to others.

It sad to see the mother of the son making excuses for the man who failed the test. I believe if something actually happened it should show up it happened to you full stop. The polygraph-test has some problems, but still a fairly good method of telling if your telling the truth or not.

It is a fascinating documentary though so far, you have mother who is a believer in all this, and are son who hasn't time to belief in it, and really hasn't given this subject much taught, but is willing to explore it for the love of his mother that is pretty cool of her son to do that. Anyway I will watch the rest of it and see how it all pans out for the son and his mother.

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I went straight to the concluding video to see how the guy changed over the course of the programme. Quite interesting. I've not been a fan of the Khoury case since reading the book and checking some of the details on the internet. The guy was laid up in bed with a head trauma and busted leg as I remember? He was on painkillers and medication with hallucinatory side-effects wasn't he? The analysis of the hair was unsatisfactory imo. On the other hand, aren't all the trace evidence cases self-defeating in one way or other?

Bill Chalker has claimed tests were carried out on the two- hair samples discovered after this experience, by a well-known biochemist and lab. The Bio-chemist it claimed is highly respected in his field of work, that this person has written books with their name on it, books that are used by universities and colleges now, and that the bio-chemist has even won awards for his research. The reason- Bio chemist will not come forward is to protect himself from ridicule and other obvious stuff that would come this persons way. I think the hair-samples are legit myself and that something happened to him not sure if it is weird as he described who knows. I could be completely wrong and he is lying just my opinion at the end of the day.

It was not brought up during this documentary, but some of the DNA taken from the Blonde-Hair sample showed up a rare Gaelic/ Basque DNA in the root, plus Mongoloid DNA in the shaft of the hair. Pretty weird stuff for an Australian to have come up with all by himself. With very few people in the world if any at all exist with that type of DNA. His family is originally from Middle-east too don't forget.

The language, that the mother played at the conference for the people gathered, she alleged it was heard during a UFO experience or paranormal encounter by someone, well the language one of two words sounded like a language, that would have been spoken in the British Isles now or in the past. It sounded the dialect the tone phrasing is similar to my countries language Gaeilge, but what was been said made no-sense to me. It too short, but Gaelige has many different versions even in my country plus welsh scottish and the basque language are speaking an language based on very-old Gaelige. I can't speak those countries languages. I have to get a longer version to be sure Philip I might learn something more then, have you a contact number for this lady your closer to that area and no more about that area of the world than I do? I go looking myself if you have not, really interested to listen to more of this language. Ten seconds or less is not enough to make any sense out of it if it is genuine!

The Peter khoury experience is pretty interesting now considering the events that have unfolded around Rendlesham forest and this new binary-code stuff. If it is true then that is pretty interesting, if not we just on go on and talk about same old-stuff as before never learning anything new about this subject and want its all about!

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Just finished watching the last video posted. Peter Khoury was asked by the son would he do a polygraph for this documentary, no problem he said, He passed the other guy who claimed the other stuff failed, and both tests were done by the same polygraph tester. How many people in this field do that, fair play Peter and he is my opinion the real deal unlike lot of people in this field. He gets lot of flak in this field, but he was telling the truth has he knows it to be!
 
Thanks Kieran. Yes the DNA testing, to me at least, was very interesting. Peter Khoury's story has remained consistent over the 20 odd years and the fact that he instantly accepted the polygraph challenge was also significant although polygraph tests are in no way definitive of proof.
The doco was interesting in the way the son, who was sceptical, gradually saw the merit in what his mother was trying to achieve. Day after day he saw her putting her reputation on the line, having the guts to stand by her beliefs and even debating a astrophysics professor on his own turf. I think that was the turning point for the son. From that point on his mind began to open to the possibility that some of what his mother was investigating, may be possible. He was more like a what true sceptic should be. Although he still remains sceptical he was able to let the evidence he found and the people he talked to, open his mind somewhat.
Kieran I have a contact for Mary Rodwell. I will PM it to you.
 
Thanks Kieran. Yes the DNA testing, to me at least, was very interesting. Peter Khoury's story has remained consistent over the 20 odd years and the fact that he instantly accepted the polygraph challenge was also significant although polygraph tests are in no way definitive of proof.
The doco was interesting in the way the son, who was sceptical, gradually saw the merit in what his mother was trying to achieve. Day after day he saw her putting her reputation on the line, having the guts to stand by her beliefs and even debating a astrophysics professor on his own turf. I think that was the turning point for the son. From that point on his mind began to open to the possibility that some of what his mother was investigating, may be possible. He was more like a what true sceptic should be. Although he still remains sceptical he was able to let the evidence he found and the people he talked to, open his mind somewhat.
Kieran I have a contact for Mary Rodwell. I will PM it to you.

Thanks Philip, i will give that a try from my mothers home next week when I visit. I only use a mobile phone at my house, and my phone would not have the best connection for ringing abroad, my mother has proper phone service installed at her home .

I still believe Philip polygraph, is still a good way to judge if a person, is deceiving or been truthful. Those who claim UFO-Paranormal experiences, well-known in ufology circles, who are today hosting UFO talk-radio and speaking on radio shows and at conferences, should be asked to take one to least verify what they claim. The crazier the experience the more that person should be politely asked would they mind doing a polygraph please?

It was very good documentary really enjoyed it, you got very few comments on it, which is typical in this field.

The professor came across as being a bit of ass a typical science guy know-it all making jokes to get his point across! Dr John Brandenburg on this weeks show, told us how science really works, which did not surprise me all that really upon hearing it.

I personally believe Peter story is legit. I said before in a post. I know of only a few cases of people who have had a experience, that has closely resembled by aunt and uncles story.

I never mentioned it, but Peter khoury claimed he had a similar experience with the hooded little monk guys, and I believe it happened to him based on the information I read. I think he be a great guest for this show.

Ps Thanks for the email too Philip never saw that.
 
Thanks a lot for the upload Pair of Cats, I really enjoyed the documentary. I totally agree with some of the things youz guyz said here. You're right, the way the son behaves is totally the way a skeptic should behave. A real contrast to the professor and his attitude. It was really disappointing to hear that a guy who has investigated the phenomena for how much - was it 20 years? - would go down with the grainy videos and pictures shite. And the whole attitude was really shitty - I'm here in my sandbox with my Popperish crew around me and let me get off with showing how smart and scientific we just are + ease my high school frustrations with making fun of someone else other than me for a change. Don't get me wrong, the mum really comes off as too Greerish, she could use a good dose of her son's healthy skepticism and some leveling, but still...

And I was really pleasantly surprised with Peter Khoury. Ufology needs more witnesses and researchers like him - people who will gladly and right on the spot say yes to any inquiry. Though I still don't quite get it how the hair from the scalp got so tightly wrapped around his Johnson? The polygraph as a tool is full of controversies, but it was really nice to see the guy accept with no weaseling out or something.

The Spring 1999 International UFO Reporter has got an article by Bill Chalker about the case and the analysis.
 
He had pain below or something, so obvious something happened and the women had human features and body parts. Don't need to be a rocket-science to figure how it could have got there.

I like the "He's not doing this right!" comment. Taking a bite out the breast of a strange blond girl you find giving you a lap dance in the middle of the night is pretty bad form.
 
Thanks a lot for the upload Pair of Cats, I really enjoyed the documentary. I totally agree with some of the things youz guyz said here. You're right, the way the son behaves is totally the way a skeptic should behave. A real contrast to the professor and his attitude. It was really disappointing to hear that a guy who has investigated the phenomena for how much - was it 20 years? - would go down with the grainy videos and pictures shite. And the whole attitude was really shitty - I'm here in my sandbox with my Popperish crew around me and let me get off with showing how smart and scientific we just are + ease my high school frustrations with making fun of someone else other than me for a change. Don't get me wrong, the mum really comes off as too Greerish, she could use a good dose of her son's healthy skepticism and some leveling, but still...

And I was really pleasantly surprised with Peter Khoury. Ufology needs more witnesses and researchers like him - people who will gladly and right on the spot say yes to any inquiry. Though I still don't quite get it how the hair from the scalp got so tightly wrapped around his Johnson? The polygraph as a tool is full of controversies, but it was really nice to see the guy accept with no weaseling out or something.

The Spring 1999 International UFO Reporter has got an article by Bill Chalker about the case and the analysis.

Elendil. Thanks for taking the time to view the documentary. I agree with your assessments of both the mother and son. Mary Rodwell is very much in the "true believer" catagory, you only have to google her name to see some of the stuff she is associated with. You have to admire her, at least, for having the guts to press on with her work in the face of serious criticism and ridicule.
Polygraphs are problematic at best but as you say there was nil hesitation on Peter Khoury's behalf in accepting the challenge of the test and that gives his story just a little more credibility.

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ALIEN HAIR SCIENTIFICALLY TESTED

Article Review by Rita Copeland and Robin Nugent

Hard evidence in the form of orthodox scientific investigations on physical artefacts is always welcome in the UFO field. The testing of one such piece of evidence was reported in a scientific paper published in April 1999.

The paper was titled "Mitochondrial DNA Sequence Analysis of a Shed Hair from an Alien Abduction Case". It was the subject of an article, "Strange Evidence", by Bill Chalker (author of "The Oz Files") published in the Spring edition of International UFO Reporter (IUR), a quarterly magazine put out by the American UFO association, CUFOS.

The physical artifact, a strand of blonde hair, came into the possession of a young man, Peter Khoury, during a bizarre encounter with an alleged alien female in Sydney in 1992. He retrieved the hair, sealed it in a plastic bag and kept it safe and untouched until it was handed over for scientific investigation in 1998. The scientific team involved was the Anomaly Physical Evidence Group. The research methodology they employed was the standard DNA analysis commonly used to obtain forensic evidence in conventional criminal proceedings.

A 2cm piece of the hair strand was taken from just above the root of the hair canal. Similar control samples were taken from Peter (born in Lebanon, normal thickness black hair) and his wife (of Greek ancestry, normal thickness brown hair). Even under the microscope the human hair samples showed remarkable difference to the alleged alien hair. The latter was "extremely thin and almost clear". Bill Chalker stated that "further investigation ... by high- resolution darkfield microscopy showed it to lie at the lower end of normal human hair thickness, and also to show a pronounced "mosaic" structure, perhaps due to the near-absence of melanin."

The hair samples were then subjected to the testing procedure to obtain "a precise DNA base sequence of Mitochondrial Hypervariable Region I Spanning nucleotides 16,000 to 16,400 of the circular mitochondrial DNA" which "acts as an easily-amplified genetic marker for the polymerase chain reaction (PCR)." Any sequence variation within that range would provide a "microscopic genetic fingerprint". The hair samples from the wife proved incompatible to the test (hair dye may have made DNA recovery difficult).

The clones derived from the testing procedure on Peter's hair "did not show any systematic deviation from the consensus of any of 380 locations spanning the whole hypervariable region" (of typical white European DNA sequence). In contrast, all clones from the tall, blonde female's hair sample "showed five consistent substitutions from the human consensus", only three of which are common human deviations. The other two deviations, however, seemed "quite rare". The conclusion drawn from this was that the tall, blonde female was "biologically close to human genetics but of an unusual racial type."

Additional controls were then obtained (blood samples) from the young man, his wife and a male Chinese friend "who spent some time in the same room" but who had never had contact with the "alien" hair directly. The findings of these tests revealed that the DNA of the three human samples aligned closely to the expected human range, the Asian showing a single substitution at one place only in the DNA sequence, but that was consistent with his being Asian.

In an examination of the scientific literature on sequence variations in Hypervariable Region I of Mitochondrial DNA, it was found that only four persons (of tens of thousands surveyed in this literature) contain one particular variation as seen in the "alien" hair. In addition, these four also exhibited substitutions in the other four sites shown in the blonde hair, yet showed "almost no other changes in the entire hypervariable region of 380 base pairs".

Bill Chalker concludes "these four human persons and the tall, blonde female share a common maternal ancestor sometime in the past 2,000- 10,000 years, given known rates of substitution in mitochondrial DNA. Indeed, a perfect 5/5 match between the tall blonde and those four persons indicates that little if any random substitution has occurred in the intervening period." But it gets even more bizarre when you take into consideration the phenotype (outward appearance) with this genotype (genetic structure). The physical description Peter gave of his alleged alien female was "tall, blonde, fair skinned".

Such a phenotype would place her, at first assumption, in the group of humans we know as Finns, Icelandics and Scandinavians. Yet all four of the people in the literature having the same genotype were of the Mongoloid/Chinese type (one Chinese, three Taiwanese, appearing in databases in Asian countries) who would, presumably, have thick black hair. "All four thus belong to a rare third human racial type (again as defined by DNA sequence) found only in Asia." (The two main racial types based on DNA analysis being Africans and Whites-Asian).

So whence cometh a Nordic phenotype of Asian genotype?

The scientists logically ruled out the likelihood of the hair having come from an albino woman in the Sydney area as the genetics are Asian; and of the hair having come from an Asian woman with "thin, almost clear, hair having the same DNA"; and from a chemically-bleached Asian woman, as such hair would not have rendered itself to DNA analysis (as happened in the case of Peter's wife's chemically affected hair). In discussing the general implications, the scientists trace the Darwinian theory of evolution from apes by random mutation followed by natural selection, and propose an alternate explanation:

"Might the modern human population be a recent introduction to Earth from elsewhere, say 30,000 years ago, when the Neanderthals went into rapid decline?" This hypothesis of seeding of life is known as panspermia and leaves open the possibility at least that humans thus could share a DNA sequence with aliens. The Darwinian theory did not gain ready acceptability when first introduced but has been held now for nearly a hundred years by establishment scientists. It may not be easy for the same establishment to reverse that theory again. Nevertheless, hard evidence, backed by reliable scientific testing, is opening the way for credibility in the UFO field at last.
 
He had pain below or something, so obvious something happened and the women had human features and body parts. Don't need to be a rocket-science to figure how it could have got there.

No shit, really? ::)

Well, here's the thing. The very article by Chalker states that the "hair was about 10-12 centimeters in length, the other about 6-8 centimeters" (IUR Spring 1999, 11). So, unless the alien chicks use some EPIC Woodstock-era bushes to shelter their sweet parts down there, I'd reckon we're more likely dealing with the scalp.

@Pair of Cats: Yes, I agree that it is admirable to stand there and take the flak for the things you believe in. But the bottom line is - the true believers are not too much of an asset in the attempt of moving the rock of Ufology at least one cm forward. If you want to turn on some scientific fellows to this, you need people who are more leveled and more able to present stuff which will have everyone scratching their heads in an attempt to find a mundane explanation. I'm not so sure that referencing Paul Hellyer is a good step. Such people get eaten alive by the debunkers...

I was also wondering about the video that the mum showed to the son on the laptop. Has anyone seen it before? Has it been debunked? Is it available anywhere? I guess it could be some light diods suspended on balloons, but there is like a nice effect which forms the rhomboid-like shape. Could that be just some sort of a lens flare?
 
Your right. Maybe the hair from the alien female was not a pubic hair.

An excerpt taken from Bill Chalker Archive.

HAIR OF THE ALIEN – THE DNA PARADIGM

by Bill Chalker
Copyright © B. Chalker 2005


"...While Khoury didn’t recall seeing pubic and underarm hair on the woman, DNA profiles that emerged from the shaft and root of the hair yielded the rare Asian Mongoloid DNA (usually associated with dark hair, but found in this blonde hair) and the rare Basque or Gaelic DNA (usually associated with orange or dark hair color, but again revealed in the blonde hair)."

Also an interview with Bill Chalker about the Hair sample.


It really doesn't matter about Mary Rodwell being a "true believer" or not. The scientific fellows won't touch these subjects with a barge pole. They are too scared of losing their reputations, prestige, govt. grants or whatever. To put it simply the scientific fellows are too gutless to research the subjects. Some of these scientists may well see relevance but the thought of the ridicule and loss of money and reputation are just too much for them.

I think what the documentary showed was although people like Mary Rodwell, the subjects and people she studies, may be fringe and out there, in amongst the crap there are people like Peter Khoury who may have experienced something unexplainable.
 
No shit, really? ::)

Well, here's the thing. The very article by Chalker states that the "hair was about 10-12 centimeters in length, the other about 6-8 centimeters" (IUR Spring 1999, 11). So, unless the alien chicks use some EPIC Woodstock-era bushes to shelter their sweet parts down there, I'd reckon we're more likely dealing with the scalp.

@Pair of Cats: Yes, I agree that it is admirable to stand there and take the flak for the things you believe in. But the bottom line is - the true believers are not too much of an asset in the attempt of moving the rock of Ufology at least one cm forward. If you want to turn on some scientific fellows to this, you need people who are more leveled and more able to present stuff which will have everyone scratching their heads in an attempt to find a mundane explanation. I'm not so sure that referencing Paul Hellyer is a good step. Such people get eaten alive by the debunkers...

I was also wondering about the video that the mum showed to the son on the laptop. Has anyone seen it before? Has it been debunked? Is it available anywhere? I guess it could be some light diods suspended on balloons, but there is like a nice effect which forms the rhomboid-like shape. Could that be just some sort of a lens flare?

I probably get lambasted for believing in this nonsense too. Actually public hair can be a length of well over 12cm, if you don't groom below as they say! I don't do it myself, but some men do and there is a trend today of younger women shaving all public hair on their bodies, you overhear gossip like this now and again! How it would have got there not sure, but during sex I have got hairs down below that were not belong to me, i think it fairly common occurrence, when you do engage in sexual contact with another person. I would not rule out a hair from the top of the head though, there is a thing we call oral sexual, we are guessing though.

I was not that impressed with the video myself, with all videos they could be real, but also they could be staged hoaxes or Chinese lanterns. The Former defense minister of Canada constantly says his interest came about when he read Phil Corso's book "Day After Roswell" and he never saw anything himself in his life, he never saw a UFO, not sure what the mother was on about that, he had seen all kinds of stuff? Philip I sent an Email off to her the other day, but i left out a i, so i had to sent it again today, i let you know if I Hear anything back.

If the hair is evidence that came from an blonde women with all that rare DNA, and the fact this alien was very much human, you really have to wonder what kind of encounter was this? The women looked human, but we can not dismiss everything that has happened to Peter when other entities visited him before this. If this is truly a genuine case, the UFO phenomenon is probably lot weirder than any of us can truly ever understand.

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I just received this message back from Mary Philip.

Don't get what she means by "those who speak it believe its a star language" but then in the top line she wrote the languages are still a mystery!

Dear Kieran,
Thnak you for your email. The languages are still a mystery, as there is not just one spoken but many different ones.Some people from other countries such as the USA and Uk have told me they either understand it on some level or speak a language like it themselves. I have more of these on my DVD's see attached. But those who speak it believe its a 'star language."
Best regards
Mary Rodwell
http://www.acern.com.au
 
Well, I never dreamed in my life that I would ever debate on a forum over pubic hairs. But I'm still gonna stick with the scalp. Sounds like Cousin Itt was in the house...:D

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