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Lots of natural formations and phenomena have strange features. Why post it on a paranormal website? More clickbait? A credulity test?
Strange Natural Formations On Earth
Lots of natural formations and phenomena have strange features. Why post it on a paranormal website? More clickbait? A credulity test?
a rock is just a rock!
All fair comment. It's just that when I see a link to yet another video channel that exploits NASA scientific missions through the use of unsubstantiated sensationalist headlines that suggest some mysterious force, it's hard not to think: Clickbait - WikipediaOne more response to your comment, @ufology:
It seems to me that to begin to understand "the paranormal" -- in any or all of its categories of manifestation -- we need to have recognized that which we experience as "normal" in our species' historical and current life. That which has been taken to be 'normal' in most of the experiences of most humans on this planet, now and in the past, constitutes the only anchoring point, and point of comparison, we have in our attempts to comprehend phenomena that we sense to be 'para-normal'. Our problem of course is that we do not know the origins or natures of these various types of 'para-normal' phenomena that members of our species have experienced even far back in our history. I do think, btw, that it's a mistake to assume in the first place that these varieties of 'para-normal' experience all have a single origin or a single nature.
Anyway, if the Paracast forums as a whole are to be limited exclusively to discussing "the paranormal," it may be that explorations of Mars images will not be of interest here. (I should add that some Mars research forums on facebook and elsewhere on the net do take an interest in suggestions of 'para-normality' in some Mars images.)
All fair comment. It's just that when I see a link to yet another video channel that exploits NASA scientific missions through the use of unsubstantiated sensationalist headlines that suggest some mysterious force, it's hard not to think: Clickbait - Wikipedia
One more response to your comment, @ufology:
It seems to me that to begin to understand "the paranormal" -- in any or all of its categories of manifestation -- we need to have recognized that which we experience as "normal" in our species' historical and current life. That which has been taken to be 'normal' in most of the experiences of most humans on this planet, now and in the past, constitutes the only anchoring point, and point of comparison, we have in our attempts to comprehend phenomena that we sense to be 'para-normal'. Our problem of course is that we do not know the origins or natures of these various types of 'para-normal' phenomena that members of our species have experienced even far back in our history. I do think, btw, that it's a mistake to assume in the first place that these varieties of 'para-normal' experience all have a single origin or a single nature.
Anyway, if the Paracast forums as a whole are to be limited exclusively to discussing "the paranormal," it may be that explorations of Mars images will not be of interest here. (I should add that some Mars research forums on facebook and elsewhere on the net do take an interest in suggestions of 'para-normality' in some Mars images.)
I don't know what other sorts of videos this YT channel publishes, but I see nothing 'sensationalistic' about this video, nor do I see it as "exploit[ing] NASA's scientific missions." How is it an exploitation of "NASA scientific missions" that private citizens in the US and numerous persons living elsewhere on Earth research, analyze, and clarify objects photographed on Mars by NASA/JPL rovers and satellites -- scientific missions that are fully funded by taxpayers in this country? Is it not in everyone's interest to know what is being discovered on the surface of Mars? Or are such discoveries, such knowledge, the private property of the federal government, to be publicly shared only to a certain, limited, extent?
I don't trust any video that won't give any identifying information for the source image, plus it just annoys me.
I understand where you're coming from. When I first began investing time in the Mars image research it took a while for me to realize how much visual data has been obtained over the last half-decade through the various cameras operating on both the Opportunity and Curiosity rovers and also the several orbiting satellites and their cameras. It's such an immense amount of data that it would require several lifetimes for a single individual to absorb all of it. But fortunately numerous skilled image analysts have been at work, internationally, for years now analyzing and sorting the data, aided by the output of dedicated research programs at universities in the US, Germany, and elsewhere.
One of the problems newcomers face in engaging with the data is learning where to find online the sources of data output by the various departmental programs of NASA and JPL that receive it and propagate it in 'raw' form. The analysts I follow in the Mars research forums on facebook and elsewhere on the web identify the raw sources of the images they analyze and clarify. An example is Terry Burnett, who has built the website What's Up in the Sky and linked it to his FB page of the same name.
@ufology has just linked us to the first hour of Terry's four-hour video analysis of the Curiosity images obtained at the Rocknest site in Gale Crater, and I recommend that anyone here who is motivated to pursue Mars image research start by viewing this first hour. I've just watched this video for the first time myself, and though I've watched other video presentations by Terry linked at FB, I have not begun to scratch the surface of all that he and his colleagues have produced in terms of video presentations of their work. Previously, over the 11 months I've spent engaged by the Mars images, I've mostly worked from single images posted in the Mars FB forums, tracking back to the raw images from which they have been cropped.
Your complaint apparently concerns less responsible YT videos and general 'ufo' or 'paranormal' internet sites that copy the enhanced images produced by more serious researchers without including the data that could lead you to the raw images involved. Often this data is in the form of a long string of letters and numbers under which raw images are catalogued by JPL and are accessible online, but you need to do an internet search specifying those specific letter and number strings to find them (or else become familiar enough with the JPL online apparatus to go directly to the relevant department and search there for the particular image you are seeking).
After the 11 months I've now spent studying thousands of enhanced images captured in numerous locations on Mars by the JPL rovers and orbiters, I no longer doubt that we are seeing the residues and remains of both purpose-built structures of various types and of mechanical artifacts whose parts we can perceive, and also seeing artistic representations of formerly living beings of various species including humanoids. As Terry Burnett indicates in the video @ufology linked, whatever cataclysm or cataclysms disrupted former organized societies and cultures on Mars, material residues of those civilizations and their activities (their interests and values) remain visible to us and interpretable by us.
It also appears to be the case that intelligent and creative beings have continued to survive on Mars post-cataclysm(s) -- living mostly in lava tubes beneath the surface but also spending part of the day in sunlight on the surface -- for carvings and sculptures also appear on the surfaces of broken up materials littering the Mars surface, that is, on both geologically formed and disrupted landmasses and on purpose-built structures and engineered objects that reveal signs of having been intentionally produced at earlier points in Mars's history.
In other words, we see historical layers of significant expression on the part of generations of intelligent Martians of what they wanted to build and what they wanted to celebrate and memorialize. In this latter category or artistic expression, it's unmistakable that these people deeply valued (perhaps even revered) life itself in all its various biological forms and species. It also seems that they found special significance in species of birds, for images of birds recur endlessly in Mars rock sculpture and rock carving. In this they seem to parallel our own species, which began in our prehistory to carve bird effigies and form what archaeologists refer to as 'bird cults'. The widespread artistic artefacts visible in the Mars images in themselves make the case that their creators were similar to us in our emotional and mental responses to our surrounding natural environment. So much like us apparently that the near-destruction of their planet touches us at more than intellectual levels.
@Constance, I don't find most of the pics compelling enough for me. I did see this one on your photobucket account and if any picture could interest me, it would be this one.
http://s447.photobucket.com/user/constance523/media/from M. GENESIS 10-13-16_zpsohnmjm32.jpg.html
. . .the NASA name is featured prominently implying it is they who are making the claim that the object is "strange", when in fact that doesn't seem to be the case, and in all likelihood the object is a natural formation caused by geologic processes. Put it all together and IMO it adds up to click bait.
Really it was the stone/tablet in the lower left hand corner that's caught my eye in your picture. Has there been attempt to determine the scale of the objects in question? I'm not sure I can get that excited without knowing the size of these objects on Mars, even if it's just a rough estimate.
@Red, it just occurred to me that you might have been referring not to the large flat stone roughly centered in my crop, but to the curved stone beneath and to the left of it. I think that lower stone, propped up at an angle, is indeed an intricately carved artwork with various carved faces along the top. The intricate quasi-lattice-like lines composed in apparent relief beneath the faces do not look to me like symbols or written language, but they might represent a diagram of a formerly multi-roomed structure destroyed before the carving was made.