Nazi UFO/ Jewish state and JFK conspiracy

[Kieran]

I was thinking about this the Other day. If Saucer based craft are of Nazi design and have been flying around since the 1946 or 1947. Wouldn't Mossad here got wind of this over the years? I doubt they would be very happy if there was breakaway Nazi technology being used by their Allies and they were using Nazi members to carry out their work for them. Even though declassified files later provided that was the case. I LOVE TO KNOW Israel reaction when they learned of operation paper clip? I believe such Technology could not be owned or belong to some Rogue Nazi Group that is hiding out still after the war ended. That makes no sense as if any of this does make sense. The Jewish state would have hunted down such a rogue group if it existed. At i doubt The Nazis have influenced the American military industrial complex that much either.

It does not sit well with policies towards Jews that they followed during the war and policies the American Government has followed since in being a friend to Israel. I have a hard time Believing UFO's, well the craft are of Nazi design. But as a previous poster said Nazi Germany was a recognised historical state in the past. Ball headed Aliens from whatever place they come this is not something that can be measured or proven by anyone.

I was thinking about JFK and how he was killed and where he was killed. Has Anyone ever looked into the idea that he was killed by an individual or by a group of men who disliked the Black man? They killed Kennedy here because he was a President that supported the Civil rights movement of the 1960's. Times were bitter back then. He was also in the south (dallas texas) were it would have been much easier for a southern man or men with a grudge to take vengeance well at least set up an operation.

 

[pixelsmith]

I doubt the "black" angle concerning Kennedy. I lean towards him being killed in part for him wanting the Federal Reserve shut down. Take a look at the world financial crisis and you will see why he wanted them out.

 

[Kieran]

I doubt the "black" angle concerning Kennedy. I lean towards him being killed in part for him wanting the Federal Reserve shut down. Take a look at the world financial crisis and you will see why he wanted them out.

I'm not saying it happened that way, but why the hell not, it just as good as any of the other theories. Martin Luther King was killed in 1968 and he was an influential leader during the 1960's. Black hate groups like the KU Klux clan had more organisation during this period to enable them to carry out a hit even on a United States President. Who the bloody hell knows really. There might have been three different shooters with different causes in Dallas that day for all we know?

 

[paraschtick]

JFK was probably killed because he stepped on so many toes. He wanted to get rid of the Federal Reserve, he was (apparently) into the whole Civil Rights thing (although ... would somebody in a powerful family such as the Kennedys really be in to giving power to the proles in any way??), he wanted to stop Israel from getting the bomb, according to some he wanted to tell the truth about ufos (hmmm ... probably not) ... and, of course, Johnson wanted to be president.

So anyway, as I say he stepped on too many toes to live so all the nasty people got together and got rid of him. How they did it is something that people will be speculating about for years to come.

As for the Nazis, the ufo thing, and Israel. Well if as Joseph Farrell claims the Nazi Internationale housed itself in South America ... in places like Colonia Dignidad in Chile which were heavily fortified and helped to survive by the governing powers in that country, then Israel probably heard rumours of such things but had no concrete proof of those rumours. Who really knows? Maybe they wanted to keep quiet about it lest the Nazis used their technology against them??? Until we hear something more concrete it may be a fruitful area of speculation ... or ... not .

 

[ALPHA ROMEO UNIFORM]

JFK was probably killed because he stepped on so many toes. He wanted to get rid of the Federal Reserve, he was (apparently) into the whole Civil Rights thing (although ... would somebody in a powerful family such as the Kennedys really be in to giving power to the proles in any way??), he wanted to stop Israel from getting the bomb, according to some he wanted to tell the truth about ufos (hmmm ... probably not) ... and, of course, Johnson wanted to be president.

So anyway, as I say he stepped on too many toes to live so all the nasty people got together and got rid of him. How they did it is something that people will be speculating about for years to come.

As for the Nazis, the ufo thing, and Israel. Well if as Joseph Farrell claims the Nazi Internationale housed itself in South America ... in places like Colonia Dignidad in Chile which were heavily fortified and helped to survive by the governing powers in that country, then Israel probably heard rumours of such things but had no concrete proof of those rumours. Who really knows? Maybe they wanted to keep quiet about it lest the Nazis used their technology against them??? Until we hear something more concrete it may be a fruitful area of speculation ... or ... not .

If the NAZI scum did live on and prosper with the support of western banking institiutions it seems those in finacial World have no morality in their bones just greed and which is now kicking their butt!

However, it must be stated current generation cannot be blamed for past generation actions and we are all facing uncertainty from unbalanced world which feeds on materialsm as a drug.

 

[paraschtick]

If the NAZI scum did live on and prosper with the support of western banking institiutions it seems those in finacial World have no morality in their bones just greed and which is now kicking their butt!

However, it must be stated current generation cannot be blamed for past generation actions and we are all facing uncertainty from unbalanced world which feeds on materialsm as a drug.

I think it might be obvious to most now that the banking institutions have as you say no morality whatsoever. I mean they do work with money and are in the business of making money whatever that takes.

I have no idea whether or not there is such a thing as an ongoing Nazi Internationale ... although there was a few decades ago something supposedly called ODESSA which was in its own way a Nazi Internationale. Whether or not it truly existed though is down to whether or not you believe people like Simon Wiesenthal ... who is known to have ... ummm ... embellished some of his tales of heroism.

But as I say, the banking institutions have no morality, and so they will back anyone who will give them the chance to make money whatever that entails. They may have backed "ex-Nazis" and helped them further their secret cause(s). And of course there were Nazis around after the war. They didn't just simply vanish when everyone lay down their arms. For instance, we all know about Project Paperclip. Just because they moved to the US, does not mean that Nazis suddenly became ex-Nazis. Beliefs just don't work like that. In reality, the "ex-Nazis" probably got together every now and again to celebrate the old days, have some schnaps and salute the flag. You just don't become an ex-Nazi over night.

I agree that the current generation cannot be blamed for what happened in the past ... unless they have a time machine of course but some people do look to the past and want to emulate their heroes. And there are probably some people still around today working in high flying jobs who loved what the Nazis did to all unsundry during the war. So although we must move on we should keep an eye on those in powerful positions regardless of what side of the equation they may be. They may be judas goats ... with other agendas that we may not know about.

 

[Tom From Hong Kong]

The Italian mafia, the KGB, Castro and the Cubans, the CIA, moon missions in conjunction with the Russians, LBJ, white racists, Marilyn Monroe -- and now the potential closure of the Federal Reserve. With a list like that, who wanted Kennedy to stay alive and serve out the rest of his term?

 

[Kieran]

The Italian mafia, the KGB, Castro and the Cubans, the CIA, moon missions in conjunction with the Russians, LBJ, white racists, Marilyn Monroe -- and now the potential closure of the Federal Reserve. With a list like that, who wanted Kennedy to stay alive and serve out the rest of his term?

Don't forget British Intelligence LOL one of the Weirder Theories i read. Kennedy was Irish American and some say; The British Establishment did not want an Irish and catholic President in the White House. Well it is a bullshit theory but was doing the rounds for a while on certain websites. If that was true why did they not shoot the other four elected presidents of the United states who had an Irish heritage lol

 

[Kieran]

I was just looking to confirm how many PRESIDENTS of the United States had an known Irish Heritage. Man what i found very weird to say the least. Most of not all have an Irish or a Scottish background. This is taken from number of articles and discussions.

Andrew Jackson 7th president 1832-37 His parents left Boneybefore Carrickfergus in County Antrim Northern Ireland for Waxhaws Area of South Carolina. They had an Irish-Scottish heritage.

John knox polk 11th president 1845-1849. His ancestors were Ulster-scots emigrated from Coleraine Derry Northern Ireland in 1680 they moved to Mecklenburg county Northern Carolina

James Buchanan 15th president 1857-61 His parents emigrated from Omagh CO Tyrone Northern Ireland

Andrew Johnson 17TH president 1865-69 His grandfather left Mouthhill County Antrim 1750 settled in Carolina

Ulysesses. S Grant 18TH president 1869 -1877 His great grandfather came from Dergenagh, county Tyrone Northern Ireland. Grant visited his ancestral home in 1878.

Chester A. Arthur 21 th president 1881-1885 His family came from Cullybackey, county Antrim Northern Ireland in 1815

Grover Cleveland 22th and 24th 1885-1889. His grandfather emigrated from county Antrim in the 1790's

Benjamin Harrison 23th president. His mother Elizabeth Irwin has Irish roots

William Mckinley 25th president. His grandfather was a farmer emigrated Ballymoney County Antrim

Theodore Roosevelt 26th president 1901-1909 His mother Mittie Bulloch, her ancestors emigrated from Ballymoney Co Antrim

Woodrow Wilson 28TH President his Grandfather emigrated from Strabane County Tyrone.

Richard Nixon 37th president Nixons ancestors left Ulster Northern Ireland in the 18th century from County Antrim and County Kildare.

Other presidents with Irish Heritage and there ancestors came from Northern Ireland. John Adam, John Monroe, Dwight D Eisenhower, Harry s Truman, Jimmy Carter, John Kennedy, Ronald Reagan AND the two George bushes. There has to be a conspiracy here lol. All there ancestors came from Northern Ireland... what the hell!!!

 

[Xylo]

The Italian mafia, the KGB, Castro and the Cubans, the CIA, moon missions in conjunction with the Russians, LBJ, white racists, Marilyn Monroe -- and now the potential closure of the Federal Reserve. With a list like that, who wanted Kennedy to stay alive and serve out the rest of his term?

Shouldn't forget about Onassis either. He had a feud with Big Joe that went back to before the prohibition days.

 

[Han]

The state of Israel was not Established until 1948 several years after "operation paper clip" and lets not forget that Allies is a loose term for example the joint German and Russian invasion of Poland in 1939 who then went on to become Enemies. Its is also important to remember that the U.S did not enter the war until 1941 and only did so because of the Japanese attack of pearl harbour. As for Mossad targetting the scientists from Nazi Germany in operation paper clip they had become the "property" of the U.S so it would be seen as an attack on Americans, and Israel would of lost support from its greatest Ally putting it in a very dangerous position. So maybe they knew but there was nothing they could do. As for Nazi scientists influencing the American Military, without them (nazi scientists) they would not have got to space and a whole host of other things like infra red.


Also it does not suprise me at all that so many American presidents are of Irish or Scottish decent as North America it self was founded by Europeans. I am sure that if you looked up the presidents of a south American country the majority would be of Spanish or Portugese decent as they colonised that area. peace and love han

P.S. the same could be said of Australia how many of their prime ministers are of Aboriginal decent, at a guess none.

 

[Kieran]

The state of Israel was not Established until 1948 several years after "operation paper clip" and lets not forget that Allies is a loose term for example the joint German and Russian invasion of Poland in 1939 who then went on to become Enemies. Its is also important to remember that the U.S did not enter the war until 1941 and only did so because of the Japanese attack of pearl harbour. As for Mossad targetting the scientists from Nazi Germany in operation paper clip they had become the "property" of the U.S so it would be seen as an attack on Americans, and Israel would of lost support from its greatest Ally putting it in a very dangerous position. So maybe they knew but there was nothing they could do. As for Nazi scientists influencing the American Military, without them (nazi scientists) they would not have got to space and a whole host of other things like infra red.


Also it does not suprise me at all that so many American presidents are of Irish or Scottish decent as North America it self was founded by Europeans. I am sure that if you looked up the presidents of a south American country the majority would be of Spanish or Portugese decent as they colonised that area. peace and love han

P.S. the same could be said of Australia how many of their prime ministers are of Aboriginal decent, at a guess none.

I have to correct some of the Fallacies in your posting. Hitler wrote in Mien Kampf 1923, way before the Invasion of Poland 1939 and "Operation of Barbarossa 1942- which was the invasion of the Soviet Union now Russia of Today.

That the "Communists" and "Jews" were involved in a joint plot to take over the World. Hitler claimed that 75 percent of Jews were communist. Hitler also argued the communist revolution of 1917 was act of revenge that attempted to disguise the inferiority of the Jews. Hitler was against anything or anyone who did not believe the Aryan race was the master race.

Russia was never a Friend to Hitler's Germany. It was an enemy in the mind of Hiitler. He knew, he might have to face three potential enemies on two different fronts at one time (west and east) That is if he attacked Poland on his own at the time in 1939. So he made a concious decision, a deal, but it was never a deal he was going to keep to!!

Afterthought...Was Stalin not shown Hitler's writings and speeches before his coming to power? Surely if he had so!! He would not have bargained with Hitler for the eastern half of Poland!!

Han.. Allied and Axis were nations who bonded during the War, because they had similar views on what the World would resemble after it's Ending.The fact is.. Russian and Germany were never Allies in the strictest sense of the term!!!

There is lot of evidence to suggest the US might have entered the War even without the attack on Pearl Harbour. Japan was a threat to their interests in the Pacific. War in the Pacific was probably only a month, or couple of months away from starting. The Imperial Japanese Army was well-informed of this. Surprise-Attack For Americans, not for the Japanese. They knew, the Japanese, they had to protect their new owned interests in the Pacific, so they attacked, before time. This War was an unavoidable war in the grand scheme of things.

Von Braun was well-established in America before Israel statehood in 1948. But any Nazis military or civilian were far-game, if they were outside the influence of the American Military Establishment. But if 'Mossad' went after Von Braun or decided to!! It would have been covered up most likely. Actually any Nazi scientist in the United States for that matter being killed or abducted by agents of Mossad. This information would probably be still Top Secret Classified Information, Today?

While Nazis like Von Braun were indeed instrumental in creating NASA and Developing Rockets to get to the Moon. It is Giant leap to say. Humanity would not have gone to Space or the Moon without having help from Nazi scientists? There was lot of talented and brilliant men. Who were Scientists living around the World, who maybe, could have filled in or employed their talents, and achieved this feat with enough funding and resources?

America has Population of over 360 million today. 60 million of them claim they have Irish ancestry. There was Native White settlers in the Northern American Continent before the mass migration of Irish across the seas in the late 1800's due to Famine . Ireland is a tiny island. Emigrations from other Europe nations is well-established as having happened and recorded as so, in America history.

So when you have well over 90 + percent of America Presidents having had family coming from Ireland Specifically, not Scotland. And that Ancestry in majority, can be traced back to two county areas of Ireland (Tyrone and Antrim) Ireland is 32 counties.

I think that is kind of weird, Don't you think?

And not to put a paranormal taint on these findings or suggesting a connection. Maybe i am .. But many of the Tuatha legends i have often posted about originate from Antrim's unique legendary past. Some trivia for those of you are Paranormal enthusiasts.

I agree it not strange you would find Presidents that have Irish decent. It just the percentage amount of them, which i find Cool, or even weird!!

 

[Han]

I did not say that Russia and germany were friends. but they were Allies*

*(In everyday English usage, allies are people, groups, or nations that have joined together in an association for mutual benefit or to achieve some common purpose, whether or not explicit agreement has been worked out between them.) ((source wikipedia)).

this was clearly the case in the "Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact"

I did not say that Man would not of got to the moon without these scientists? far from it, but they did give them (U.S and Russia) a head start.

Also I dont understand what you mean by
"Allied and Axis were nations who bonded during the War, because they had similar views on what the World would resemble after it's Ending." ?

Please try to explain what you mean by this as I am very puzzled?

 

[Kieran]

I did not say that Russia and germany were friends. but they were Allies*

*(In everyday English usage, allies are people, groups, or nations that have joined together in an association for mutual benefit or to achieve some common purpose, whether or not explicit agreement has been worked out between them.) ((source wikipedia)).

this was clearly the case in the "Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact"

I did not say that Man would not of got to the moon without these scientists? far from it, but they did give them (U.S and Russia) a head start.

Also I dont understand what you mean by
"Allied and Axis were nations who bonded during the War, because they had similar views on what the World would resemble after it's Ending." ?

Please try to explain what you mean by this as I am very puzzled?

Han i explained to you Hitler disliked everything the Soviet Union stood for. Do you not understand? Yes they signed a pact to achieve a common goal. But by saying they were allies, is too simple, we have to adequately explaining the history of the time and events, which i have tried to do!! But i take your point they were Allies. If we follow the strictest definition of the meaning that is Allies.

But you stated, we probably would not have got to space without their help. I was just responding to what you wrote. Sorry if you meant something entirely different.

The Allies had different ideas to the Axis views of how the world would look after the war. Italy and Germany were Facists states who believed in the Domination of others and the rule, of one strong leader who answered to nobody. The allies were of a different mindset. If Germany had won the war. Our World would be less free for everyone a police state

 

[Han]

It was just the "Allied and Axis were nations who bonded during the War, because they had similar views on what the World would resemble after it's Ending" i didnt understand.
I read it as if you were saying that the Allied and Axis powers bonded (with each other) for e.g U.S and Germany. I now totaly understand and agree with you about this, that they (Allied and Axis) were totaly opposed. thanks for clearing it up
P.S I can not imagine a more terrible thought than the Axis powers winning the war. not a day goes by that i dont think about the sacrifices members of my family (British and Greek) and our American, Canadian, Anzac, commonwealth and all those opposed to fascism people made to defeat the evils of Hitler and his followers. peace and love han

 

[oxoter]

May be UFO come from Nazi secret researches but it can not though explain all the different waves of sightings all over the world in many places. Moreover, aliens appeared under various shapes like tall blond guys (aka Aryans of Nazi Germany) as well as little Greys.... On www.nazi-secret.com at least, they try not to lose historical facts but to take them cautiously into account in order to foster genuine research on the matter.