Nick Pope

[mike]

Having just re read open skies closed minds, i would be interested next time he drops in, in hearing his latest thoughts on crop circles, and while he listed his top ten cases in the book , i would be interested in cases 11 thru 20 as well if he still has his notes from his time in the ministry

 

[Aaron LeClair]

Nick is known for saying he doesn't know a lot. My guess is, he'd say that here, and throw in the fact that some crop circles have indeed been made by humans.

 

[mike]

he did include a whole chapter on cropcircles in the book, im only guessing but based on that chapter i think he may have continued to keep an eye on this and other aspects since 96 (when this book was written)

if as some suspect they are a series of unfolding pictograms conveying a meaning, id be interested on his take on it . that is if he has been following it.
yes some humans have faked circles, but writing the whole "field" off would be like saying UFO's dont exist because weve all seen the BM's photos and we know they are fake.

and its been 12 years since the book was published, id be interested in his current "top ten" cases today

 

[Randall]

I only recently learned this bit of trivia - Nick the Abductee:

In his book The Uninvited, Nick writes about the abduction of a couple called "Peter and Jenny." This incident, Pope says, occurred while the two were driving in their car along a deserted road in Florida, some time prior to 1992. But according to a February 7, 1999 story in the London Sunday Times, the man called "Peter" was Nick Pope himself. Times reporter Mark Macaskill does not say precisely how he knows that Pope is that man, even noting that Pope will "neither confirm nor deny" the story, but he says Pope has revealed the truth.

Link: Yahoo! Groups

Does anyone know if Nick himself has "come out" on this yet?

 

[Ian]

Hmmm...

Now that Nick is a professional ufologist (like many others), it's in his interests to keep the subject going, regardless of what he actually believes.

And since all that possible "alien invasion" stuff he talked about just prior to the 2012 Olympics - discovered to be linked into some computer games promo, or whatever it was - I'm afraid I don't really care now what he says.

I used to think he was "one of the sensible ones", but he appears to have just sold out the the more sensational ufology wing. I just guess that's where the money is...?

Ian

 

[Blabyboy]

I only recently learned this bit of trivia - Nick the Abductee:

In his book The Uninvited, Nick writes about the abduction of a couple called "Peter and Jenny." This incident, Pope says, occurred while the two were driving in their car along a deserted road in Florida, some time prior to 1992. But according to a February 7, 1999 story in the London Sunday Times, the man called "Peter" was Nick Pope himself. Times reporter Mark Macaskill does not say precisely how he knows that Pope is that man, even noting that Pope will "neither confirm nor deny" the story, but he says Pope has revealed the truth.

Link: Yahoo! Groups

Does anyone know if Nick himself has "come out" on this yet?

When he used to regularly appear on The James Whale show on TalkRadio(then talkSport), the host would often bring up the point about Nick being an abductee when Nick would pimp his book(s). Every time, Nick would duck the question and provide the most non-committal/ non-denial it's possible (obviously had good training from our Govt chaps there!). The host was not known for his patience and on occasion the discussion would get heated around that point, but he never caved in - even when they went for their after-show curry.

I'm firmly of the opinion that Nick is just scratching for bits now and trading off his past position in the UK MoD. As a marker for the state of the UK's official approach to UFO's at the time of his office, he is useful, for all else, he's about as helpful as a chocolate teapot - as we say around here.

Cheers,
bb

 

[Randall]

Hmmm...

Now that Nick is a professional ufologist (like many others), it's in his interests to keep the subject going, regardless of what he actually believes.

And since all that possible "alien invasion" stuff he talked about just prior to the 2012 Olympics - discovered to be linked into some computer games promo, or whatever it was - I'm afraid I don't really care now what he says.

I used to think he was "one of the sensible ones", but he appears to have just sold out the the more sensational ufology wing. I just guess that's where the money is...?

Ian

It wouldn't bother me if Nick had used his status as a UFO celebrity to openly boost the popularity of a video game in a fun way. IMO it's more the way he did it. Just like the way I find his behind the scenes anti-ufology strategy used by NARCAP to be duplicitous.

 

[boomerang]

Nick is a consistently well informed and articulate spokesman. It's just that after exhausting what he was able to tell us about his time with the MOD, what's left is mostly re-hash. Has he used contacts made during his time in government to perform further investigation? If not, he should consider doing so.

 

[Randall]

Nick is a consistently well informed and articulate spokesman. It's just that after exhausting what he was able to tell us about his time with the MOD, what's left is mostly re-hash. Has he used contacts made during his time in government to perform further investigation? If not, he should consider doing so.

I wouldn't say that it's consistent for Nick to play the role of a UFO celebrity and ufology personality on one hand while making recommendations for those who are serious about the phenomenon to distance themselves from ufology on the other. For example Nick stated he believes the following action should be taken to improve the climate of denial about unidentified aerial phenomena:

Dissociate from ufology. It is critically important that this initiative disassociates itself from ufology and ufologists … because of the reputational damage that would arise from association with a field that is widely perceived by key decision-makers as being unscientific and full of cultists, charlatans and crackpots. - Nick Pope

If Nick were being consistent he might have recommended that we all work together to foster credibility in and for ufology so that those who are responsible within the field will be taken seriously. Instead he's recommending that they throw us all under the bus. That's neither a genuine nor constructive approach. In fact it's downright disingenuous and divisive. Meanwhile he's out lapping up whatever he can from us "cultists, charlatans and crackpots" ... which also makes him hypocritical. I used to give Nick a break before I learned of this, but not anymore. Not until he retracts those recommendations and proposes something far more responsible and unifying for the field.

 

[boomerang]

If Nick were being consistent he might have recommended that we all work together to foster credibility in and for ufology so that those who are responsible within the field will be taken seriously. Instead he's recommending that they throw us all under the bus.

Having just read the quote, I would agree.

 

[DaveM]

I'm surprised that anyone would give Nick Pope the time of day. He seems to be someone who wants us to pay attention to him, but he doesn't really have much relevant information to tell us. He reminds me of those people who keep showing up at UFO conventions for twenty years straight telling the same story over and over again. Nick is a public relations person these days. What do you expect him to tell you?

 

[Goggs Mackay]

Yes, Nick, you can't propose moving the UFO question forward by avoiding the cults, believers and whacky out-there lot, while you are getting paid by those exact people. Go one way or the other.

 

[Randall]

Yes, Nick, you can't propose moving the UFO question forward by avoiding the cults, believers and whacky out-there lot, while you are getting paid by those exact people. Go one way or the other.

Avoiding the "cults, believers and whacky out-there lot" would be fine if that's all he were doing. The problem is that Nick's recommendation lumps responsible ufologists in with all the riff-raff and indiscriminately throws the whole lot out together. It would be far more responsible IMO to stand with those in the field who are responsible, preserve our past accomplishments, and work together to further the field. Then if the fringe element buys Nick's books or attends his lectures, so what? Maybe they'll learn something and Nick wouldn't be put in the situation of being a hypocrite. That would be better for everyone ( or at least one would think ). But how much do you want to bet we don't see it happen?

 

[Goggs Mackay]

Well exactly - it would be nice to see Pope up at the podium publicly 'bigging up' responsible, credible researchers and research bodies, such as your own, USI, and many other bodies interested in whatever the truth is behind UFO's and UAP's etc (notice how I cover both sides to avoid the argument over nomenclature).

Perhaps even more important, or equally important, Pope could publicly make clear the side of Ufology that he does not support or agree with, but I fear that he would fear he would 'alienate' his audience, pardon the pun.

It is very unfortunate however, that many of the people we are referring to, the Steven Greer's of the world, actually have a line to many people. For example, if there was some kind of official vote on some matter that relates to UFO's, people like Greer could probably account for a sizeable number of people voting - far more than some credible researchers might be able to swing. I dislike that being the case but I can't deny that it is. When it comes to straight numbers, it seems the majority listens to people like Greer. He is a shameless self-promoter and intelligent with it. I often wonder if he actually works for the 'other side'!

 

[stephen haldane]

if you go to richplanet.net (uk ufo show) in the last show to air Richard D Hall (presenter) says Mr Pope accepted £25000 from a government agency to misinform the public regarding ufos.

 

[Pierre]

if you go to (uk ufo show) in the last show to air Richard D Hall (presenter) says Mr Pope accepted £25000 from a government agency to misinform the public regarding ufos

That is very interesting. I'm not sure what kinda misinformation he is allegedly supplying us, as far as I know its been many years since Pope had anything new or interesting to say. I always thought he was taking advantage of his ufo celibrity status, but at least his views has always been grounded and I never heard him talk about any wacky ufo theories.

Did Richard D Hall supply any kind of evidence to back up his accusation?

 

[TalkingMeatSuit]

Just this week he did a long "Ask Me Anything" post over on AboveTopSecret.com. I didn't bother to read it because I think he's a useless schmuck, but I did notice after skimming a few pages that the moderators were deleting peoples posts left and right. Didn't sift through all the pages of the thread to see if anyone did manage to get in a hard question, but the little bit I saw was all softballs.

 

[stephen haldane]

if I remember correctly it was a message passed on off the record to Richard from a source while Richard was on one of his tours this year so not concrete but Pope spoke at a fairly recent ufo conference in Britain (Leeds Expo 2012) and denied that there was any evidence to support the ETH which is up to him(ladies prerogative) but I have watched tv and heard radio interviews by him when he supports the ETH so something or someone has changed his mind...............maybe 25 grand!!!!!!!!!!!