No crashed ship in AS15-P-9625

[AdamI]

I was really intrigued by this from the "best of Dark Matters Radio" thread and also mentioned elsewhere in a few moon threads. It's the apparent source for at least the idea of the crashed ship in the Apollo 20 hoax.

It's an Apollo 15 shot: AS15-P-9625

Apollo Image Atlas

Go to about the center along the horizontal axis and you'll see two big overlapping craters. To the right in the vertical center of the strip is a small crater or ridge with what looks very much like an oblong cigar-shaped object resting in it.

I found this shot quite amazing, and wanted to see if it was maybe a trick of light/shadow or possibly a real object. So I used Google site search to search another Nasa site and found another shot of the same spot, apparently from Apollo 17. The orientation is a bit different, but it's not hard to find the same double crater and the same object. It's rotated about 90 degress.

The shot is AS17-M-2806:

Apollo Image AS17-M-2806

This site even includes a really nice browser feature. You can zoom way in on it!

Look directly up from the double crater and you'll find the object. It's obvious from this angle that it's a long narrow hill and that the apparent shadow of the ship "sticking up" is an artifact of a small depression toward the middle/end of the hill.

I couldn't find any high-rez LROC images, but this seems to settle it for me.

So Apollo 20 was a hoax of a mirage.

I'm not sure if I buy the stuff about artifacts on the moon's surface, since it seems like the moon has been photographed too much by too many people for good shots not to leak out. LRO has a 1m/pixel resolution which would be good enough to deliver a street map of any ruined Lunar cities.

I am however still intrigued by the stories of unidentified moving/flying objects told by many astronauts. Those aren't going to get photographed by LRO, unless it happens to catch one in the frame.

 

[owlman]

Maybe they moved it ?

 

[AdamI]

Maybe they moved it ?

I'd suspect that, except that there is a hill that looks like it could be the anomaly if viewed from another angle.

So in this case I think it's an illusion. But it was fascinating enough to make me spend an hour looking for other shots of it!

 

[Eteponge]

Great! We can pretty much put the whole Apollo 20 thing to rest then, and this shows that my source telling me that there was something real behind some of the pictures was either full of crap, or deliberate disinfo. Thanks.

 

[AdamI]

Great! We can pretty much put the whole Apollo 20 thing to rest then, and this shows that my source telling me that there was something real behind some of the pictures was either full of crap, or deliberate disinfo. Thanks.

They're either full of it or they didn't bother looking for other shots. The original pic was very interesting, but when you view it from other light angles you can tell it's just a hill.

I enjoyed Apollo 20 as science fiction... the "Mona Lisa" body was quite spooky, and the weird chicken-bone like things on her face gave an almost Lovecraftian or Giger-esque effect. Someone needs to be doing sci-fi films instead of moon hoaxes.

You could use that as the seed for a very spooky sci-fi thriller. The comment about the "Mona Lisa" being "not dead, not alive" I thought of Lovecraft's story "Out of the Aeons."

HPLA - "Out of the Aeons" by H. P. Lovecraft

Actually come to think of it my leading hypothesis about Apollo 20 was that this was viral marketing for a movie concept... maybe for a script someone was circulating. I thought the same thing about the drone photos and the "CARET" documents. That whole thing was a transparent hoax too, but those documents were artistically really cool looking!

 

[Eteponge]

They're either full of it or they didn't bother looking for other shots. The original pic was very interesting, but when you view it from other light angles you can tell it's just a hill.

I enjoyed Apollo 20 as science fiction... the "Mona Lisa" body was quite spooky, and the weird chicken-bone like things on her face gave an almost Lovecraftian or Giger-esque effect. Someone needs to be doing sci-fi films instead of moon hoaxes.

You could use that as the seed for a very spooky sci-fi thriller. The comment about the "Mona Lisa" being "not dead, not alive" I thought of Lovecraft's story "Out of the Aeons."

HPLA - "Out of the Aeons" by H. P. Lovecraft

Actually come to think of it my leading hypothesis about Apollo 20 was that this was viral marketing for a movie concept... maybe for a script someone was circulating. I thought the same thing about the drone photos and the "CARET" documents. That whole thing was a transparent hoax too, but those documents were artistically really cool looking!

Yeah, both the Apollo 20 and CARET hoaxes would have made damn good sci-fi movies, instead of misleading people, and muddying the already muddied waters of UFO Research even further. I thought "clever hoax" when I initially saw both of them, but some things kept me guessing for a while that maybe "something" factual was behind at least Apollo 20, guess not. What a shame. But that one piece of possible evidence (the Apollo 15 photo) needed to be exposed. It all boils down to getting to the facts of the matter, and filtering this stuff out, not indulging in a hoax fantasy simply because it would be cool if it were true.

 

[Stephen J. Catlin]

They covered that location with fake pictures

 

[Anaximander]

LRO has a 1m/pixel resolution which would be good enough to deliver a street map of any ruined Lunar cities.

I don't know maaan.

....I've seen Apollo Deniers argue that resolution isn't good enough to prove we went AND I've seen debunkers arguing that it isn't good enough to prove whether something is an anomaly or not.

But I don't think we'll ever get to see the moon cities. And besides didn't you hear? John Lear says they are hidden by holograms and stuff.