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Jeff Davis
Paranormal Adept
IMO, Obama is the Sean David Morton of politics.
Every politician is the "Sean David Morton of politics." What's strange about that? For every contradiction you can find in anything Obama has done, I'll show you equal or worse from others. It's all a game; they are all corporate tools. And the alleged differences are, at the end of the day, not as significant as you might think.
Even the "dreaded" Obamacare is actually a recycled idea created by the conservative Heritage Foundation in 1989 — including the individual mandate. Don't forget Romneycare in Massachusetts. If W introduced this plan, and it would have been in keeping with Republican philosophy because of the heavy involvement in private insurance companies and the states, he would have been heralded by the very members of his party that are calling for its repeal.
At the end of the day, the Affordable Care Act is messy. The health insurance industry is messy. There are other ways to deal with health care in the U.S., but there's no climate in Washington to do it.
Even the "dreaded" Obamacare is actually a recycled idea created by the conservative Heritage Foundation in 1989 — including the individual mandate. Don't forget Romneycare in Massachusetts. If W introduced this plan, and it would have been in keeping with Republican philosophy because of the heavy involvement in private insurance companies and the states, he would have been heralded by the very members of his party that are calling for its repeal.
At the end of the day, the Affordable Care Act is messy. The health insurance industry is messy. There are other ways to deal with health care in the U.S., but there's no climate in Washington to do it.
Jeff Davis
Paranormal Adept
Very balanced and undeniable post Gene. No matter who in active professional politics that you point your finger at, the politician next to them, or any other professional politician whosoever, is just as guilty. Not one of them *has* to do anything, and yet for all the choices that they do make, and TAKE from each of us, their professional ping pong politics panacea machine is in full forward gear. It loudly and proudly assures each one of our gullible assets that they aren't responsible, it's the next guy, or back to the rigged arena wherein your stance is that, whoever the pro political antithesis choice is today flavor of the month sorta thing that you are pretending to fight today scheme. That being when you just created the platform you are running against, and put the whole problematic affair in motion just a few years prior.
Just more proof that politicians are in the business of problem peddling. They do so with artful and exacting precision in that they very specifically capitalize on problems that they themselves create by running publicly against them in a windstorm money grab that they just knew would come along. It's just professional opportunism in the name of self gain.
To think that we are supposed to elect these people to represent us and act decisively in our best interest. Now that's funny!@!@! It so insane and convoluted, that it works quite well for the insane and convoluted I guess. It certainly doesn't work for me or anyone else that I personally know.
The Fed545 are the glorified and self aggrandized slave master's of 300 million people. You can hear the speaker of the out house now, as he yells from the bow of the ship that we're all rowing within. Standing there in his $5000.00 suit with a possible stain from his recent 300.00 lunch, as he snaps his big ol' bull whip wallet shut on us! SNAP!!
"Stroke!...stroke!....STROKE! ("ten for me", he snickers under his breath)... stroke!...stroke!....STROKE! ("one for you"..hehehe)..So that we can all reach that great promise land together as one."
XAF-B-WATERS
Skilled Investigator
Dr. Ben Carson didn’t mince words: Obamacare is “the worst thing that has happened in this nation since slavery.”
Dr. Carson made the declaration about President Obama’s sweeping health care mandate Friday during a speech at the Values Voter Summit.
“It is slavery because it aims to make all of us subservient to the government,” he said. “It was never about health care. It was about control.”
Dr. Carson further compared the new health care reform to policies envisioned by Vladimir Lenin, one of the fathers of socialism and communism.
“Socialized medicine is the keystone in the establishment of a socialist state,” Dr. Carson told the audience of some 2,000 supporters of traditional values.
Such a comment may seem paranoid to some, he said, “but I would say if you know anything about history, how could you not bring it up?”
When people in the executive and legislative branch don’t have to participate, but everybody else has to, “that’s not America, that’s Russia,” he added.
Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/11/ben-carson-obamacare-worst-thing-slavery/#ixzz2ovD7swcn
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Dr. Carson made the declaration about President Obama’s sweeping health care mandate Friday during a speech at the Values Voter Summit.
“It is slavery because it aims to make all of us subservient to the government,” he said. “It was never about health care. It was about control.”
Dr. Carson further compared the new health care reform to policies envisioned by Vladimir Lenin, one of the fathers of socialism and communism.
“Socialized medicine is the keystone in the establishment of a socialist state,” Dr. Carson told the audience of some 2,000 supporters of traditional values.
Such a comment may seem paranoid to some, he said, “but I would say if you know anything about history, how could you not bring it up?”
When people in the executive and legislative branch don’t have to participate, but everybody else has to, “that’s not America, that’s Russia,” he added.
Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/oct/11/ben-carson-obamacare-worst-thing-slavery/#ixzz2ovD7swcn
Follow us: @washtimes on Twitter
It's all nonsense having nothing to do with the facts. Obamacare uses the states and private insurance companies to offer heath coverage. To say it's socialized or somehow slavery represents the worst sort of lunacy. There's nothing accurate about what he says.
If you actually did a little research, you'd realize that Obamacare was based on a Republican concept developed in 1989 by the conservative Heritage Foundation, and is close in setup to the Massachusetts plan passed by Romney's administration.
Sure the rollout was messy, but so was Social Security, Medicare and Medicare Part D ( this one is a Bush administration achievement).
Dr. Carson needs help.
If you actually did a little research, you'd realize that Obamacare was based on a Republican concept developed in 1989 by the conservative Heritage Foundation, and is close in setup to the Massachusetts plan passed by Romney's administration.
Sure the rollout was messy, but so was Social Security, Medicare and Medicare Part D ( this one is a Bush administration achievement).
Dr. Carson needs help.
Young healthy people get broken bones and suffer from various diseases from time to time. Young healthy women become pregnant. It's all covered under these plans. Not buying insurance is short-sighted. Who pays when they need care and they can't afford the bill?
But for many new policy holders, they will qualify for a subsidy or otherwise pay less. It depends, also, on whether you get insurance from the exchange or separately (where it's definitely more expensive). Even when prices are higher, coverage will be better. No lifetime cap, no denial for a preexisting condition.
Randall
J. Randall Murphy
You make a valid point, and one I've used myself in the past here in Canada when I was faced with Government Health Care bills and didn't need or ask for it and couldn't pay the bill. What they did to alleviate that problem was introduce a waiver program for low income people who couldn't afford the premiums. I figured that was fair. Now in Alberta, they've done away with billing individual citizens altogether and the cost is covered by taxation and revenue from other sources. So it's proof that it can be done, even if the level of care isn't fantastic, it's still a lot better than making health care insurance company executives into multimillionaires like they do down there in the USA ( did you watch the clips I posted ? ).
Well, the ultimate solution is Medicare for All, cradle to grave. Medicare has a far lower cost for processing claims than any private insurance company. After all, customers have to pay the hundreds of millions of dollars earned by the CEO of United Healthcare.
But Obamacare has one provision that helps: Insurance companies have to spend 80% of their revenue to pay claims. If their administrative costs exceed 20%, they send their policyholders checks. Millions of people in the U.S. have gotten those checks, even those who oppose the law that let them have those checks. Obamacare also gives you free annual physicals and certain diagnostics. That's the sort of thing that saves money, because an illness can be discovered early and treated before it becomes serious and seriously expensive. Medical care costs have risen at the lowest rates in years since the law was passed.
But Obamacare has one provision that helps: Insurance companies have to spend 80% of their revenue to pay claims. If their administrative costs exceed 20%, they send their policyholders checks. Millions of people in the U.S. have gotten those checks, even those who oppose the law that let them have those checks. Obamacare also gives you free annual physicals and certain diagnostics. That's the sort of thing that saves money, because an illness can be discovered early and treated before it becomes serious and seriously expensive. Medical care costs have risen at the lowest rates in years since the law was passed.
boomerang
Paranormal Adept
The practice of medicine occupies a unique role in any civilized society. It's unavoidably a business. But it is unlike any other business because so much common decency is at stake. The analogy I use is that one is required by law (not true?) to stop and render aid to someone seen dying by the side of the road. Why, in a free society, should I or anyone be required to render aid to a total stranger who may or may not have caused his or her own distress? For the same reason sick and indigent people showing up in emergency rooms are treated whether they have financial means or not. The Devil, as always, is in the details.
I have a radical psychic prediction for the year 2014: America will survive both Obama and Obamacare. It will survive the corporate plutocracy. And life will go on.
I have a radical psychic prediction for the year 2014: America will survive both Obama and Obamacare. It will survive the corporate plutocracy. And life will go on.
It is not part of the sign up on the exchange. It's part of the law that impacts everyone. It has already been mentioned in major newspapers and on TV and radio. But my source is me. When I still could afford coverage for my wife a couple of years ago, we got a small refund check for this reason. Millions of Americans have received that money.
As you see from the link below, this Obamacare refund issue is old news, and all those partisan lies about the law have obscured the truth. As you see, though, people with employer-sponsored insurance may not see rebates directly.
Obamacare Health Insurance Rebates: Who Gets a Check? - ABC News
Obamacare Health Insurance Rebates: Who Gets a Check? - ABC News
I feel your pain. The same is true for my wife. But people who cannot afford health insurance, and I don't presume to know your personal situation, can get subsidies under the Affordable Care Act. That can help make the difference. The other is that your wife cannot be denied coverage because of her illness, and that's one of the most important changes of all.
I am not emotional about Obama either, or any of his possible successors.
I am not emotional about Obama either, or any of his possible successors.