Oct. 6 David Weatherly

[Wade]

First of all thank you Chris for getting my name right when reading my question (which you slightly massacred ) You may be surprised how many people pronounce my name Ridesdale not Ridzdale which is the proper pronunciation. For some reason some people insist on putting an extra ‘e” in there.

My feeling was that the show initially, got off to a slow start. By that I mean that it seemed like we were going down the same old road of trying to put a face to a phenomenon that we struggle to define and understand and i.m.h.o. what David was bringing to the table wasn’t different than what has been mentioned by others before him, the sudden apparent turn to the Lam/alien archetype, the distribution of the djinn and its Western /Northern European brethren. Gene touched on this, same old theories, same old concepts. Chris has in a sense touched on this issue many a time when he has spoken about falling prey to pop culture programming but I wonder if we aren’t all still doing it, maybe Chris and others like him have simply moved the chain when it comes to what constitutes pop culture programming and hence we are still in the same old rutt, but that rutt has just got a little more esoteric in the past years. I suppose it’s to be expected when one is trying to prove the existence of something that refuses to be proven, one can probably only come up with so many theories ,including of course the possibility that it doesn’t even exist ,

Where I felt the show really picked up steam was after Chris read Polter’s Excellent question ( I wish I’d thought of it ) about a possible discarnate consciousness being in the mix. Because I’m so psychologically oriented when it comes to paranormal matters..i have little use for dissecting any UFO cases but LOVE talking about belief systems and the possibility of US being intimately involved with creating lore…when talk turned to Tulpas and thoughtforms I was nearly pumping my arm yelling “YES”, granted this isn’t a new concept but still it is one of the things I enjoy mulling over regardless of its viability. When you stop to think about it, when it comes to having to determine when a paranormal entity has the potentiality to exist why would older things get a pass when newer things come under suspicion? Do these entities have to have some kind of pedigree? Must they have been conceptualized prior to 1945 in order to be valid? How do we know…and this has been hinted at… that these entities were actually around decades ago albeit in slightly different form or substance? One the other hand, if one is open to the concept of the creation of Tulpas or Thoughtforms via collective consciousness/sub- consciousness then the sky is the limit and one should keep their beliefs and opinions well grounded.

Loved the twist in the Myrtles Plantation/ Chloe mythology.

This reminds me of a thought I had at one time when it came to the discussion of Bigfoot being flesh and blood or an ephemeral entity. If ANY paranormal entity had the right to exist in a Tulpaized (?) form it would have to be the big guy. If you consider that he dates his existence, in the form of indigenous American mythology, some 300+ years he’s had plenty of time to be all Tulpa’d out. At this very second, a real life Bigfoot could be out foraging for berries, when he spies another Bigfoot running across his peripheral vision only to disappear instantaneously. Imagine the flesh n' blood Bigfoot saying to himself “What the f*** was that about?”

 

[DaveM]

By the way, in your opening statement about Donald Schmitt and his education, Schmitt claimed to have a master's degree and was working for a doctorate. That of course wasn't true. Schmitt was also interviewed and told the writer he was a medical illustrator. So Mr. Schmitt was caught twice. After that he resigned from CUFOS as an investigator.

I don't think this was too far from what Phil Imbrogno was accused of doing, do you?

 

[Gene Steinberg]

What about his current bio? References?

 

[wwkirk]

Does the show repeat at some point? I thought it did but I'm not sure.

 

[Gene Steinberg]

If you listen to the on-demand feed, it just keeps playing over and over.

 

[DaveM]

What about his current bio? References?

What about his current bio? References? I don't think his former partner Kevin Randle would give him a good reference.

 

[Artyom]

Thanks for the good episode, Gene and Chris!

I have a comment about the idea that David expressed at the beginning about quantum physics and LHC experiments. The reason why scientists are conducting the number of experiments over the last several years in CERN is that they need to find the last piece for the Standard Model in atom physics or reveal that the model is wrong (no Higgs Bozon found), which will mean - back to the drawing board. This is not about seeking for esoteric features of this universe such as dimensional portals.


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[flipper]

GOOD SHOW. I think David Weatherly does good research and presents it well.

 

[joeyk22]

Great episode overall. I had never thought about the possibility of creating an entity from human consciousness. It might explain a lot of phenomena. I would have liked to hear some more examples from his investigations but you guys packed a lot of stuff in the time allotted so it's hard to complain.

 

[Fcseven]

I would have been happy with a bit less snarky Christianity comments but overall a decent show.

 

[Han]

Excellent show, I found the discussion about the djin fascinating, I hope Mr Weatherly will be a guest on the show again, as after listening I now have more questions.

Thank you.
Best wishes.

 

[Polterwurst]

Absolutely. After reading about the Slender Man and the Black Eyed Kids I was afraid that he's just trying to hop on some pop culture wagon, but he's really learned about mythology and has done his research and thought it all through.

Lots of interesting details. I didn't know about H.G. Wells's selenites, for example or that Robert E. Howard said that he was having conversations with his characters.

That latter one has always been fascinating to me. Maybe REH was just joking when he said that, but he seems to have been at least as strange and interesting a character as his pen-friend HPL, so who knows. And there are one or two stories, where he at least hinted at reincarnation (if I remember correctly, one of his lesser known, more modern pulp heroes was supposed to be a reincarnation of Bran Mak Morn, the character Mr Weatherly mentioned). Which if I'm not mistaken, should not have been a very common or popular topic in the 1930s.

Philip, the "invented ghost" who seems to have caused some real unexplained phenomena in an experiment in the 70s, would have been worth mentioning here, although he didn't appear "physically" but "only" did some table rapping, levitation and moving, etc .

Fascinating stuff. But I still doubt that the Black Eyed Kids and the Slender Man might have gone tulpa on us. At least, I really, really hope so.... (play Twilight Zone theme here).

Thanks for asking my questions.

 

[red_pill_junkie]

That last story Chris mentioned about the shadowy figure that the digital camera failed to record was very interesting. It would be yet another example of the self-negating nature of these phenomena.

I think David's best quality as a researcher is that he is not really trying to pin down the cases into some preconceived category --"oh well the black-eyed kids are clearly alien-human hybrids!" "no they're not, they are demonic entities!" --By the end of the day none of these 'explanations' solve every single aspect of these accounts 100%.

I attended to David's presentation last year at Paradigm. Let me tell you something: the whole attendance was enthralled by the end of it

 

[Burnt State]

Ok, I need to be a contrarian. I think the whole BEK thing is nothing but urban internet mythology and when we got into slender man and started connecting dots back to ancient sculptures looking for "possibilities" I moved into outright disbelief & disinterest. For me, these discussions are all about what is so wrong with contemporary paranormal discussion. It appears to be entirely rooted in potential, possibilities, perhaps and maybes. Almost every answer to a question is open ended allowing for believers to enter in through the turnstile of conviction at whatever point happens to ring true to them. I heard nothing in the way of actual proof or even a slim basis for much of the discussion. This was one of those purely speculative episodes supported with lots of djinn 'flavor of the month' sprinkles for good measure. I don't mean to be a debbie downer but the only slender man I know hangs out with this black eyed hive queen:

Edit: hmm, now wondering if that came off sounding too sharp-moody?

 

[parapara]

That was the first I've heard of the black eyed kids. I read the Magic and Mystery in Tibet about a month ago and was surprised to hear it discussed. I'd seen a copy of it in the Philosophical Research Society library a while back and thought at the time it must be rare, then just bought it on amazon. The "lugubrious communion" is really freaky in that book, if looking for more macabre Halloween style tales.

 

[joeyk22]

I thought I heard Mr. Bradley Steiger talk about Black Eyed Children knocking on people's doors back in one of his Paracast appearances in 2008 or 2009. I could be wrong however and perhaps he was talking about vampires which also try to get invited into your home. Maybe the black eyed children phenomena stole this from vampire stories.

 

[RenikNorthEngland]

The Tulpa stuff is fascinating- I enjoyed hearing about Conan manifesting himself to Mr. Howard...reminds me of an interview I heard some years ago with Alan Moore (I think his name is), creator of Constantine. He spoke of his creation appearing to him twice- once in a fast food restaraunt and once during a magickal ritual. Another writer with DC comics, Grant Morrison, also use to talk alot about manifestations brought on by energy channelled through his graphic novels. He would even include sigil designs in his work to purposefully manipulate his own reality as it were. I think there could well be a psychological element to the strange phenomena that goes on, perhaps to a degree Tulpa-like creations, and maybe some kind of collective unlocking of dimensional gateways that allow humankind to experience or have glimpses of other realities.

 

[red_pill_junkie]

The Tulpa stuff is fascinating- I enjoyed hearing about Conan manifesting himself to Mr. Howard...reminds me of an interview I heard some years ago with Alan Moore (I think his name is), creator of Constantine. He spoke of his creation appearing to him twice- once in a fast food restaraunt and once during a magickal ritual. Another writer with DC comics, Grant Morrison, also use to talk alot about manifestations brought on by energy channelled through his graphic novels. He would even include sigil designs in his work to purposefully manipulate his own reality as it were. I think there could well be a psychological element to the strange phenomena that goes on, perhaps to a degree Tulpa-like creations, and maybe some kind of collective unlocking of dimensional gateways that allow humankind to experience or have glimpses of other realities.

Speaking of John Constantine, there was a gruesome synchromystic event involving the comic character & the man who self-immolated on Washington D.C. a while back --the man's name? John Constantino.

Was DC Self-Immolation A Vietnam-Styled Political Copycat?

 

[Polterwurst]

I kind of liked the idea of The Shadow having been made into a Tulpa and thus creating at least some of the shadow person sightings, from a fictional point of view. Someone should write a novel or make a movie about that (if the Shadow license is too costly, just invent something similar). Or at least a Supernatural episode, if they're still making those (I'm afraid they lost me with all the christian mythology stuff).

So I googled around, to see how good Gene's The Shadow impersonation really is, and I found this, for anyone who is interested:
Ron's Amazing Stories: RAS #116 - The Death House Rescue
starring the gifted Mr Orson Welles. Some background information, too. And I have to say, Gene is spot on. I'm looking forward to the devilish laugh next time .