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I took Jeff to mean that as well - the critique of science as an enterprise here in the west, is that right Jeff?

My comments weren't meant as a critique of scientific methods per se - as a means of gaining empirical knowledge.

smcder,
Thanks for the expanded view on why western empirical science just does not work. One of the best scientific community models (read: non-enterprise driven, over compartmentalized by competitive design, scientific research communities) that I can personally refer to, is Russia's. That's because science and private enterprise are not, or at least have not been within the social construct there, for a far longer time than their present evolutionary status would seem to indicate, allowed to mix by design. To me this is a far more logical demonstration of the scientific process because it utilizes a control mechanism to preserve the scientific process's ultimate integrity. Which is to state that it insures that the scientific process, and more importantly, it's progressive development, reflects an open throttle policy that erases the staggeringly real possibility of monetary corruption that would contaminate such a natural process to it's absolute and ultimate...unnatural compartmentalization.

<blockquote data-quote="smcder" data-source="post: 174267">I took Jeff to mean that as well - the critique of science as an enterprise here in the west, is that right Jeff?My comments weren&#039;t meant as a critique of scientific methods per se - as a means of gaining empirical knowledge.smcder,Thanks for the expanded view on why western empirical science just does not work. One of the best scientific community models (read: non-enterprise driven, over compartmentalized by competitive design, scientific research communities) that I can personally refer to, is Russia&#039;s. That&#039;s because science and private enterprise are not, or at least have not been within the social construct there, for a far longer time than their present evolutionary status would seem to indicate, allowed to mix by design. To me this is a far more logical demonstration of the scientific process because it utilizes a control mechanism to preserve the scientific process&#039;s ultimate integrity. Which is to state that it insures that the scientific process, and more importantly, it&#039;s progressive development, reflects an open throttle policy that erases the staggeringly real possibility of monetary corruption that would contaminate such a natural process to it&#039;s absolute and ultimate...unnatural compartmentalization.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="smcder, post: 174267"] I took Jeff to mean that as well - the critique of science as an enterprise here in the west, is that right Jeff? My comments weren't meant as a critique of scientific methods per se - as a means of gaining empirical knowledge. [I]smcder, Thanks for the expanded view on why western empirical science just does not work. One of the best scientific community models (read: non-enterprise driven, over compartmentalized by competitive design, scientific research communities) that I can personally refer to, is Russia's. That's because science and private enterprise are not, or at least have not been within the social construct there, for a far longer time than their present evolutionary status would seem to indicate, allowed to mix by design. To me this is a far more logical demonstration of the scientific process because it utilizes a control mechanism to preserve the scientific process's ultimate integrity. Which is to state that it insures that the scientific process, and more importantly, it's progressive development, reflects an open throttle policy that erases the staggeringly real possibility of monetary corruption that would contaminate such a natural process to it's absolute and ultimate...unnatural compartmentalization.[/I] [/QUOTE]

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