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One of the Allagash 4 says that their abduction story was BS
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Randall
J. Randall Murphy
Wow. Great find!
Bangor Daily News said:
. Seems to me Dolan did a whole show on Allagash, so this has gotta sting if it's true.
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Creepy Green Light
Paranormal Adept
Like I've said before, over the last 3 years I've found out (or determined on my own) several cases I always believed in are hoaxes/fakes. This is another one added to the list.Wow. Great find!
Let's keep separating that signal from the noise
Sand
Paranormal Adept
Yes, Chuck Rak had long said on his web site that, while the UFO sighting was real, he had felt pressured to confabulate the abduction story during his hypnosis sessions. His web site now appears to be gone. But I had always found what he had to say to be an honest and insightful account of confabulation. So a couple of years ago I captured much of what he had to say. (I often recall the thought that trying to understand the UFO phenomenon is like my dog trying to understand the Gettysburg Address. In re-reading this, I now remember where I got that.)
Chuck Rak from his old web site:
“By the time the four of us went through hypnosis (it took eight months because the hypnotist was working pro bono), all the boiler plate stuff was well known to us. (artist’s are very good at pattern recognition). As a result, Jack and Jim Weiner, being identical twins with excellent story telling abilities, were of greatest interest to Ray Fowler if not the space aliens, and therefore were hypnotized first. Even though Ray told the twins not to share their testimony with Charlie and I, it was like expecting a high school senior to keep quiet about who she was going to the prom with. I can only speak from my own experience about the hypnosis. I thought the man who did the hypnosis, Tony Constantino, was a competent and sincere man. He had a bad head cold at the time of the interview. I knew the point of the whole exercise was to substantiate the ground work put in place by Ray Fowler and the twins, which was ALIEN ABDUCTION. After all, it was in our best interests to sell the story by means of Rays book, TV appearances, interviews, UFO conventions and movie rights. As he was putting me under a light trance, I’m sure Tony couldn’t help notice the dollar signs in my eyeballs.
Tony was sitting directly in front of me almost as close as a dental hygienist. Ray was on a bench a few feet away. Tony brought me to the point in the story where the beam was approaching the canoe. He asked me what happened next. All I could think of was what actually happened; the panic and the beam going away, but I felt that would have been an unacceptable answer. I sat there and tried to allow my artists imagination take over. I pondered the void of my memory. “WHO’S ON THE BENCH?,” Ray commanded with military bearing. Why Ray and Tony, I thought to say but that answer would have been even more unacceptable. Finally with all that was at stake, I relaxed, let what was out there enter my mind and let it interact with what was inside. Thus, what came forth was a series of vague snippets of being levitated aboard a craft, witnessing an examination performed on the prone figure of Charlie Foltz, by alien beings and an amorphous source of light, like my friend Brads house where he has draped different colored blankets below the fixtures in preparation for the bi weekly acupuncture clinic. This was not part of the visceral testimony to which I have so far described. Instead it was a form of mental imagery, which I later used to create the colorful art work displayed on the Allagash portion of my website gallery. ….
Many years have gone by since this incident. I no longer am in contact with the other men involved in the case. I have not been asked to participate in any public forum regarding the incident, I suspect partly due to my skepticism of hypnosis as a way of retrieving such information. Also, I have a streak of honesty that certain vested interests may be nervous about.
Even being skeptical of the full ramifications of the Allagash story, I still believe that we here on earth have been thoroughly saturated by seen, semi seen and unseen entities of an extra terrestrial and or metaphysical nature, and that we are as equipped to understand their intent as my dog is at interpreting Lincolns Gettysburg Address. The only clue I have of their advanced thinking or intent is that once we showed them panic, they left us alone.”
Chuck Rak from his old web site:
“By the time the four of us went through hypnosis (it took eight months because the hypnotist was working pro bono), all the boiler plate stuff was well known to us. (artist’s are very good at pattern recognition). As a result, Jack and Jim Weiner, being identical twins with excellent story telling abilities, were of greatest interest to Ray Fowler if not the space aliens, and therefore were hypnotized first. Even though Ray told the twins not to share their testimony with Charlie and I, it was like expecting a high school senior to keep quiet about who she was going to the prom with. I can only speak from my own experience about the hypnosis. I thought the man who did the hypnosis, Tony Constantino, was a competent and sincere man. He had a bad head cold at the time of the interview. I knew the point of the whole exercise was to substantiate the ground work put in place by Ray Fowler and the twins, which was ALIEN ABDUCTION. After all, it was in our best interests to sell the story by means of Rays book, TV appearances, interviews, UFO conventions and movie rights. As he was putting me under a light trance, I’m sure Tony couldn’t help notice the dollar signs in my eyeballs.
Tony was sitting directly in front of me almost as close as a dental hygienist. Ray was on a bench a few feet away. Tony brought me to the point in the story where the beam was approaching the canoe. He asked me what happened next. All I could think of was what actually happened; the panic and the beam going away, but I felt that would have been an unacceptable answer. I sat there and tried to allow my artists imagination take over. I pondered the void of my memory. “WHO’S ON THE BENCH?,” Ray commanded with military bearing. Why Ray and Tony, I thought to say but that answer would have been even more unacceptable. Finally with all that was at stake, I relaxed, let what was out there enter my mind and let it interact with what was inside. Thus, what came forth was a series of vague snippets of being levitated aboard a craft, witnessing an examination performed on the prone figure of Charlie Foltz, by alien beings and an amorphous source of light, like my friend Brads house where he has draped different colored blankets below the fixtures in preparation for the bi weekly acupuncture clinic. This was not part of the visceral testimony to which I have so far described. Instead it was a form of mental imagery, which I later used to create the colorful art work displayed on the Allagash portion of my website gallery. ….
Many years have gone by since this incident. I no longer am in contact with the other men involved in the case. I have not been asked to participate in any public forum regarding the incident, I suspect partly due to my skepticism of hypnosis as a way of retrieving such information. Also, I have a streak of honesty that certain vested interests may be nervous about.
Even being skeptical of the full ramifications of the Allagash story, I still believe that we here on earth have been thoroughly saturated by seen, semi seen and unseen entities of an extra terrestrial and or metaphysical nature, and that we are as equipped to understand their intent as my dog is at interpreting Lincolns Gettysburg Address. The only clue I have of their advanced thinking or intent is that once we showed them panic, they left us alone.”