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Partly a dream, but possibly an abduction

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I had a dream that started in a machine shop (a small manufacturing plant). For a while I just talked with the machinists. Then the foreman came up to me and started chewing on me and I did not like him, so I went outside through the big cargo door. Up in the sky was a UFO, hovering above the area.
The dream ended, and I started to wake up. I was at least partially paralyzed, laying on my back in bed. Suddenly I felt movement between my body and the bed covers! It felt like I was sliding underneath them. After a minute or so it was over but I have never forgotten this episode. When I have dreams about UFO's I often wake up with marks on my body I cannot explain. I have more experiences than this but no recollection of being abducted.
 
The correlation between your dreams and odd marks could be of interest. You might consider (discreetly) photographing them for future reference.
 
I didn't know you dreamed of UFOs, Angelo...

SaucerDiscounts, if it's only dreams - then it is probably just dreams. Photographing the marks is a good idea, but it is possible to find scars on the body that you're not aware of and make yourself believe that they weren't there before. Even Mack acknowledged that. Keeping a log and photographing the marks maybe can help with that.

If you are someone who is into the UFO stuff or has read anything about abductions or UFOs or something similar - it's no wonder if you get dreams about that. I've had some alien dreams that scared the shit out of me and some sleep paralysis episodes, but nothing worth noting. The first case was just a nightmare or two after reading a lot about abductions and the second case was just paralysis that lasted for a couple of seconds. Nothing paranormal, thankfully. I never saw anything weird or felt any touching sensation, but the falling through sensation happened here and there.

So, if there is no recall or weird stuff that happened when you were wide awake, I'd say you're pretty safe from any abductions. :)
 
Yeah, I used to have a lot of dreams about that, and about alien abductions. Super scary stuff. It's one of the reasons i'm so interested in the topic. Why do I understand it as a dream and sleep paralysis, and others think it's an actual physical event in which they are actually abducted? That's something I have always been fascinated by.
Of course, a hardcore proponent will tell me that's what the aliens want me to think. In my opinion, that's no better than a creationist telling me that dinosaur fossils are tests from god.
 
I think it all boils down to what you want to believe. I had some strange experiences as a kid that I've written about on this forum. I had sleep paralysis mixed with hypnogogic hallucinations before I ever had any knowledge of alien abductions and it scared the crap out of me but it was nothing compared to when I saw an episode of the X Files that dealt with abductions and thought about the similarities between what happened to the guy in the show and what happened with me. So for a long time in my younger years I thought that I had possibly been abducted. It was only after doing some research into the field that I came across a better explanation, ie sleep paralysis and hypnogogic hallucinations, and because I've always prided myself on keeping an open mind and being able to adjust my thinking to incorporate new data, I realized that nothing happened except in my mind. However, someone who wants to believe that they're so special that aliens would traverse time and space to stick a probe up their ass and shove a chip up their nose has already made up their mind and isn't going to move from that position no matter how illogical their belief may be. Especially in the cases where they've built their entire life and philosophy around that belief, it's like trying to tell a hardcore fundamentalist that God doesn't exist, all the logic in the world isn't going to convince them.
 
Angel of Ioren said:
Yeah, I used to have a lot of dreams about that, and about alien abductions. Super scary stuff. It's one of the reasons i'm so interested in the topic. Why do I understand it as a dream and sleep paralysis, and others think it's an actual physical event in which they are actually abducted?
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Maybe because their experiences encompass something more: thing happening while they are wide awake, even while driving - if certain researchers were speaking the truth. Signing off the whole phenomenon as sleep paralysis is stupid, it neglects a whole other aspect of the mystery.

When people start coming up with dreams about aliens and nothing else, especially now when the classic abduction narrative is so easily available on the net, I'd always go with the just dreams or sleep paralysis solution. But when it's more than that - who knows? Maybe there is some else going on.

And it even mystifies me how my episodes with sleep paralysis were just paralysis and yours were combined with hallucinations. Maybe you're were playing with some shrooms, Angelo...;)
 
tyder001 said:
Sigh, I just find the "logic" word tossed around alot by folks. It's "logical" if it sounds good to me. However, there are some folks that disagree completely with me on the topic of "God." But, still manage to "get it" that there isn't a "line in the sand" between having faith and intelligence. Here's a link. She's an athiest and a "looker" ;)

The arrogance of the atheists: They batter believers in religion with smug certainty - New York Daily News
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Excellent post, Steve, and I enjoyed the article. There is, indeed, no "line in the sand between having faith and intelligence." In fact, in my opinion, there is no line between having faith and trusting science, and having faith and applying rationality, having faith and rigorous scholarship, having faith and philosophy, and I could go on and on (which I will restrain myself from doing!).

I have recommended books on this forum by very reputable scientists who explore the confluence of religion and science. John Polkinghorne and Ian McGrath are just two of many, many.

I wish the forum could accept this, and I don't mean this in an adversarial or confrontational way, or to get anything going (for Heavens sake!). But I agree with you that logic and faith are not at all mutually exclusive, quite the contrary.

Great post and article. Kim
 
Angel of Ioren said:
Yeah, I used to have a lot of dreams about that, and about alien abductions. Super scary stuff. It's one of the reasons i'm so interested in the topic. Why do I understand it as a dream and sleep paralysis, and others think it's an actual physical event in which they are actually abducted? That's something I have always been fascinated by.
Of course, a hardcore proponent will tell me that's what the aliens want me to think. In my opinion, that's no better than a creationist telling me that dinosaur fossils are tests from god.
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Angelo when you had these dreams occurrences did you ever note at what stage in your sleep this may have happened ? I've had a few alien type dreams but not the run of the mill stuff. I MAJORED in old hag dreams. and in the incubus/succubus thread
Incubus/Succubus Vs. Night Hag Vs. Alien Abduction | The Paracast Community Forums

I posted this site which seemed to indicate that many of the alien abduction dreams happened in the hypnogagic (?) state drifting off to sleep and Old Hag happened on the hypnopompic (waking up stage)

http://www.skepticalanalysis.com/reports/ghosts/dreams.html

Whatever your belief or thoughts are on this phenomena, you have to admit it's quite strange that for many people depending what stage of sleep they are depends which of the two phenomena they experience
 
tyder001 said:
Sigh, I just find the "logic" word tossed around alot by folks. It's "logical" if it sounds good to me. However, there are some folks that disagree completely with me on the topic of "God." But, still manage to "get it" that there isn't a "line in the sand" between having faith and intelligence. Here's a link. She's an athiest and a "looker" ;)

The arrogance of the atheists: They batter believers in religion with smug certainty - New York Daily News
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I should've worded that differently for two reasons, 1. because you're 100% right, there's no line in the sand between faith and intelligence and 2. I'm more of an agnostic than an atheist anyway, I'm not big headed enough to say that I am 100% sure with no doubt whatsoever that there is no God. Do I doubt that there is? Yes, but I can't prove he doesn't exist just like nobody can prove that he does exist so until we get to the point where it can be conclusively proven one way or the other I'm comfortable saying "I don't know." What I should've said is that no amount of logic and proof will convince a fundamentalist that the Bible is not the inerrant word of God, it's a very human book, written by man, full of innacuracies and contradictions, and assembled via committee. There's proof for all of that and yet when I discuss this with fundamentalists they end up basically plugging their ears and going "la la la la I can't hear you!" Logic is only good when it's backed up by facts and proof, otherwise it's bad logic. That's my real problem with some religious people, a complete unwillingness to look at the facts and then change their opinion instead of believing simply because that's what they want to do.
 
It's hard to see how you can lump it all under one category or another. It is more than just sleep related events. That said, the use of the word dream in these types of accounts causes me to look at them a great deal differently than ones that are reported to have occurred while the person was wide awake.
 
trainedobserver said:
It's hard to see how you can lump it all under one category or another. It is more than just sleep related events. That said, the use of the word dream in these types of accounts causes me to look at them a great deal differently than ones that are reported to have occurred while the person was wide awake.
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Indeed, there are some cases that just don't fit the whole sleep paralysis/hypnogogia/hypnopompia explanation. Mass abductions are definitely outside of that explanation unless you believe that people can hallucinate collectively, and if that's the case then that by itself would say something pretty incredible about the human mind.
 
Muadib said:
Mass abductions are definitely outside of that explanation unless you believe that people can hallucinate collectively, and if that's the case then that by itself would say something pretty incredible about the human mind.
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What are some mass abduction cases?
 
There are quite a few if I'm not mistaken, the Pascagoula abduction for instance. Buff Ledge, two counselors were supposedly abducted, the Allagash abductions, that was 4 guys in a fishing boat, Ray Fowler wrote a book about it. The Linda Cortille case, which Budd Hopkins wrote about in the Brooklyn Bridge UFO incident. The Hudson Valley abductions, accounts differ as to how many actually took place if I'm not mistaken, I've heard between 10 and 25 people. I'm sure there are more, I just can't think of them right now. I have read the Fowler book and Budd Hopkins book, and they were very interesting but whether they actually took place or not I'll leave up to people with the time to investigate.
 
Elendil said:
Maybe because their experiences encompass something more: thing happening while they are wide awake, even while driving - if certain researchers were speaking the truth. Signing off the whole phenomenon as sleep paralysis is stupid, it neglects a whole other aspect of the mystery.

When people start coming up with dreams about aliens and nothing else, especially now when the classic abduction narrative is so easily available on the net, I'd always go with the just dreams or sleep paralysis solution. But when it's more than that - who knows? Maybe there is some else going on.

And it even mystifies me how my episodes with sleep paralysis were just paralysis and yours were combined with hallucinations. Maybe you're were playing with some shrooms, Angelo...;)
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I've never done 'shrooms. I'm quite the nerd.
 
I have and their hallucinogenic effects are greatly exaggerated, as are LSD's. Mostly you just see the ground or the walls wavering or you see patterns in things, I never had full blown visual hallucinations like I've heard some people claim to have, and I was always an experimenter never someone who abused them so you would think that I'd be more likely than someone who does them all the time to hallucinate. I do have to state however that drugs are definitely known to effect different people in different ways so who knows maybe I just had a naturally high tolerance or something. Keep in mind this was also around 14 years ago so maybe the stuff is stronger these days, I have no intentions of finding out. I would like to try DMT once, but I honestly think I'd be too scared of having a bad experience to really enjoy it.
 
I would love to try DMT but I'm at that age where I'm not sure how the ole ticker and other system functions might react. However, as I get older I might make it to the "who gives a frack" stage. Then I might try it. On the other hand, by then I might be close enough to the real thing to just wait. ;)
 
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