• NEW! LOWEST RATES EVER -- SUPPORT THE SHOW AND ENJOY THE VERY BEST PREMIUM PARACAST EXPERIENCE! Welcome to The Paracast+, eight years young! For a low subscription fee, you can download the ad-free version of The Paracast and the exclusive, member-only, After The Paracast bonus podcast, featuring color commentary, exclusive interviews, the continuation of interviews that began on the main episode of The Paracast. We also offer lifetime memberships! Flash! Take advantage of our lowest rates ever! Act now! It's easier than ever to susbcribe! You can sign up right here!

    Subscribe to The Paracast Newsletter!

Prince Harry Media Blackout

Free episodes:

Seth

Skilled Investigator
You take away people’s freedoms for the promise of security and the masses will love you for it.

The world’s media has chosen to blackout the truth that prince Harry has been in Afghanistan for the past 6 months. I find it alarming that the large network of news media was able to keep a lid on this story for such a long period. It underlines the argument that we are only given the information the governments and media want us to get. No media in the world can claim they are a free and unbiased press (though many like to use this tag line).

I could care less about the reasons for a media blackout. The fact is that they are doing it. IMO There is NO legitimate reason for a blackout, ever. People deserve to have all available information at hand to make good decisions.
 
I agree 100%, Seth. There is no free press. They're all bought and paid for.
Also, 90% of what they do tell you is stuff nobody should care about, anyway.

Bastards.
 
Seth said:
IMO There is NO legitimate reason for a blackout, ever. People deserve to have all available information at hand to make good decisions.

Except when those people are your 'enemies'. But then the press define those groups for us too.

There has to be line drawn - have you ever read (or listened to) JFK's speech to American Newspaper Publishers Association?

It's a fine line to tread. I'd rather have a media blackout than a stream of propaganda...

For what it's worth, I have never understood why they let Royals joined the armed forces - actually, I have never understood why we still have a Royal family, but that's another argument...
 
Rick Deckard said:
Except when those people are your 'enemies'. But then the press define those groups for us too.

There has to be line drawn - have you ever read (or listened to) JFK's speech to American Newspaper Publishers Association?

It's a fine line to tread. I'd rather have a media blackout than a stream of propaganda...

Very true…But one could argue the mechanisms that generate enemies and therefore wars are: kept secrets, withholding information, and non-cooperation among countries. Obviously, press under governmental control is not free and is typically propaganda. The claimed “free” press should function as an unbiased lubricant through the process of dissemination regarding the totality of news, not the selectivity of news.

I for one prefer to make judgements for a standpoint of wholly informed not selectively informed. Truly, there is an individual aspect of responsibility of knowing truth from propaganda.

Rick Deckard said:
For what it's worth, I have never understood why they let Royals joined the armed forces - actually, I have never understood why we still have a Royal family, but that's another argument...

Quite. What the hell is a prince doing there anyway if he is serious about his princedom? We are surely to get comments of “patriotism” or “being noble” for the reasons of his actions but ultimately if it is done at the cost to the informed public we need to consider another avenue for his heroic nature. Being royalty by necessity requires degrees of restriction and exercises in good judgment. Sending the future leader (figurehead) to the front lines does not follow logical restriction or good judgment on his part.
 
It's 'tradition' for Royals to join the armed forces - and they usually get promoted very quickly, simply due to their royal status. I think the media blackout was imposed not just to protect Harry, but to stop his unit being targeted also, which would have made extra work in an already difficult job. Surely, it would have made more sense to simply not send him there in the first place? And I agree - I don't understand why the UK still has a Royal family - and I'm a Brit. It's time to move on!
 
Seth said:
Very true…But one could argue the mechanisms that generate enemies and therefore wars are: kept secrets, withholding information, and non-cooperation among countries. Obviously, press under governmental control is not free and is typically propaganda. The claimed “free” press should function as an unbiased lubricant through the process of dissemination regarding the totality of news, not the selectivity of news.

I suspect (and you probably do too) that historically, there has never been a truly 'free' press - when the big media companies meet with the political leaders in secrecy every year (see the Bilderberg Meetings), you have to wonder why...

...did you ever watch the Zietgeist Movie? If not, 'Part 3' might be of particular interest you...actually the whole 2-hour documentary is 'food for thought'.

Siani said:
Surely, it would have made more sense to simply not send him there in the first place?

Absolutely - but then that would be admitting what we 'peasants' already knew; that having Royals serve in the armed forces is nothing more than a public relations exercise. :D
 
Rick Deckard said:
...did you ever watch the Zietgeist Movie? If not, 'Part 3' might be of particular interest you...actually the whole 2-hour documentary is 'food for thought'.

It is my favorite documentary of all time. I HIGHLY reccomend the entire documentary to anyone willing to watch it. It offers a great deal of insight regarding many of the topics addressed by these forums.
 
Seth said:
It is my favorite documentary of all time. I HIGHLY reccomend the entire documentary to anyone willing to watch it. It offers a great deal of insight regarding many of the topics addressed by these forums.

I've recommended it to lot's of people - few are willing to watch it. You can lead a horse to water...
 
I don't think in regards to this issue that there was anything sinister going on. He just wanted to serve his country and do his part, and not receive any special treatment. Its understandable why they requested a blackout.

However people have been manipulated for centuries and that is something that will never change. People just need to be aware that its happening and yell shenanigans, However that rarely happens and people are led around by there noses. My god man, just look at religion and political parties. They are almost exactly the same. Its all programming and rhetoric.
 
ArizonaWill said:
What's he supposed to do with his life, just party and hopnob with bubble heads like Paris Hilton? He seems to have had an acute interest in the military since he was a child, and wanted to serve. Maybe it will be a career for him, since as the second son he really has no other huge function other than to marry and produce yet more little Royalettes!

But if the youngest generation is just seen as a group of hedonists, then I think their peers (subjects of the English crown) in the coming generation may just find it all too embarrassing and immoral to sustain.

Good points ArizonaWill. I think we are agreed on the media issue…

If prince Harry wants to be in the military then let him. Why protect him more than anyone else if that is his passion? Do people really think Al Qaeda or the Taliban will try to focus on his troop more? Aren’t they doing all they can to battle us as it is? Isn’t that the calculated risk Harry, the government, and the nation took when they let him enlist? Let him fight and let him bear the consequences for it. Don’t run in and save him; it was his choice and the choice of a nation.

My point: This topic seems trivial I will attest. However, an agreement by the world’s media to blackout a trivial topic lends tremendous weight to the scenario that the media could be hiding/withholding information that really could affect the world populace. By praising the media on this issue only encourages and condones this type of behavior for future events. They could censure information thinking they were having a positive impact in their opinion. I never want anyone filtering information for any reason. That is a limiting act; an act of control over populations.
 
macavity said:
More accurately, the British media.

Nope, you are incorrect:

"UK and international newspapers and TV channels, including CNN, had agreed to keep Harry's Afghan role a secret so as not to endanger him unnecessarily." (http://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/asiapcf/02/29/prince.reaction/index.html?iref=24hours)

macavity said:

And I was one of the only people to speak out on that board as well. (click the link/Ctrl+F/search for "Seth")

macavity said:
I tend to draw the (somewhat opposite) conclusion that if there's a story to tell, someone somewhere will tell it regardless of the consequences.

Dude, they hid this story for 10 weeks internationally and 6 months nationally. You know as well as I that the longer a story is withheld the less information we can draw from it. Roswell, anyone?

I can't believe people would condone such behavior.
 
Nope, you are incorrect

I should have said "primarily", perhaps (did consider it but I've got lazy fingers). The point I was trying to make was that it was precisely the international nature of the media which led to the story being leaked.

Dude, they hid this story for 10 weeks internationally and 6 months nationally. You know as well as I that the longer a story is withheld the less information we can draw from it. Roswell, anyone?

I think if you're looking for any kind of dark conspiracy here the best bet is his presence was leaked intentionally so he could get an early bath and look good for the Sunday papers.

I can't believe people would condone such behavior.

Believe me, I could care less about Harry and where he is and what he's doing, but to address the general principle I don't think it's reasonable to expect or even want the media to exist wholly outside of the society they're reporting on. To say that journalists are obligated to report everything to everyone - presumably as soon as they're physically able to do so - is ridiculous, journalists need to exercise the same responsibility in reporting as anyone in any other profession. It sounds to me like you're saying news black-outs are wrong under any circumstances?
 
We do have one thing in common: I have the flu as well and feel like shit too! I guess that’s why I have been haunting the forums heavily lately. :D (wait, I don’t feel like smiling I am sick…*cough* :frown:)

ArizonaWill said:
Is it your RIGHT to know what Prince Harry is doing at all times, even if it risks his life and those of his comrades?

I don’t really care what Harry, Brittany, J-Lo, or Butterbean do, but they are public figures and public figures do not have the same rights when it comes to confidentiality and privacy as normal citizens (at least in the US).

Keep in mind young Harry volunteered…please refer to my previous posts for this argument…

ArizonaWill said:
How about a witness against the Mafia mob who is being hidden somewhere before the trial. Is it your RIGHT to know where this person is being hidden from the mob so that her life will not endangered?

This would be illegal for the press to expose. Witness protection, etc. I am not saying the press should break laws, merely report what they legally can and should. (reminder: this isn’t about Harry it is about censorship)

ArizonaWill said:
Just how far does your RIGHT TO KNOW go? Everywhere, so that no one else on the planet has any privacy rights?

Again, the press should not break laws…

ArizonaWill said:
If the media gets hold of your social security number, should they publicize this information to the entire world? Think of the damage that would cause you. Does everyone else have the right to know your social security number?

Nope. That is definitely illegal. The press should not break laws or practice censorship.

ArizonaWill said:
How about famous people who marry? Do you have a RIGHT to know where they are going for their honeymoon?

Yup. Public figures…

ArizonaWill said:
Facts that may impact our lives should be revealed to us.

My point exactly! To be safe all facts then should be reported. Insignificant facts to you may mean something to me. Who are you to judge what is important and what isn’t? Isn’t that what the press is doing when they blackout topics? Yup.
 
macavity said:
It sounds to me like you're saying news black-outs are wrong under any circumstances?

Quite. Got an example that isn't? (I will base all rebuttals on: the press should not break the law or practice censorship as a premise)
 
Imagine what were to happen had a news outlet spill the beans, and Prince Harry gets wacked?

Think on that for a moment. Then think about all the guys who'd also be targets in the same vicinity as Prince Harry. Do you think it would be a good thing for the media to start telling the enemy where they are?

Free Speech stops at the end of another person's nose. In this case, at the beginning of endangering someone's life. Shouting Fire in a movie theater is illegal for a reason, and so is giving away troop positions, no matter who they are.

When people complain about media black outs, and all that other nonsense, they don't think about the reasons. If Harry had been killed in Afghanistan because of some careless journalist spilling the beans, what do you think the backlash from the royal family would be?

Imagine what ramifications would be taking place right now across ALL journalist and media outlets.

I agree we are told what we need to know for the most part, but when you're talking about someone's life you don't have carte blanche to scream to the high heavens where they're at. Especially when they're at war with an enemy who would love nothing better than to take out a high profile target.
 
Obviously many of you have emotional ties to this issue and cannot realize the implications of your words. You are to emotionally charged. This really isn’t about our young prince but I’ll indulge the Harry bit, though it is off base. Censorship should be the main concern here.

HARRY VOLUNTEERED PEOPLE! There are risks to being a military man. His family and nation supported his decision. Let him fight alongside commoners if that is his dream. Would you suggest we rescue Brittany Spears or Polly Shore in an identical situation? Wouldn’t they be responsible for their own decisions?

It gives you relief that he is home safe because of the guilt one feels with letting him go to begin with.

Tommy Allison said:
Imagine what were to happen had a news outlet spill the beans, and Prince Harry gets wacked?

Think on that for a moment. Then think about all the guys who'd also be targets in the same vicinity as Prince Harry. Do you think it would be a good thing for the media to start telling the enemy where they are?

This whole topic about Harry is horseshit because if everyone is so friggin concerned for his safety you should have prevented him from joining in the first place. Only when someone is on the front line do you care? It was his choice!

Imagine he was killed anyway and the media had kept the secret. You would not be sitting on my side of the fence saying, “If we would have known we could have done something!”

It makes no difference whether we know where he is because he volunteered to do a job as a public figure. The job he chose has serious ramifications. If he wants to fight in a war as a public figure then he must live (or not) with the consequences. You see, it is not for the news or you to decide this matter. That time has already come and gone. Because he is famous is no reason to withdrawal him. If he is serious about his duties as a soldier he would stay regardless.

The argument that the Taliban will in someway target him is speculation and conjecture. You are basing an argument on speculation and conjecture. Pretty precarious don’t you think?

Tommy Allison said:
Free Speech stops at the end of another person's nose. In this case, at the beginning of endangering someone's life. Shouting Fire in a movie theater is illegal for a reason, and so is giving away troop positions, no matter who they are.

Make no mistake it would not have been free-speech that would have “killed Harry” it would have been the consequence of joining the armed forces and fighting a war as a public person.

Tommy Allison said:
When people complain about media black outs, and all that other nonsense, they don't think about the reasons. If Harry had been killed in Afghanistan because of some careless journalist spilling the beans, what do you think the backlash from the royal family would be?

IMO, any backlash would be unjustified because they promoted his enlistment along with the rest of the country.

Tommy Allison said:
I agree we are told what we need to know for the most part, but when you're talking about someone's life you don't have carte blanche to scream to the high heavens where they're at. Especially when they're at war with an enemy who would love nothing better than to take out a high profile target.

Again, why allow him into harm’s way to begin with? Why allow such a high-profile person to engage is such acts knowing the serious potentials. The potential existed from the beginning that he could be killed or captured. Consequences for actions account for something.

Protection of his fellow solders, indeed. Removing his princedom from danger has only been an option for him, what about the other fellas fighting next to him that aren’t at home sleeping in a canopy bed? You couldn't give a shit about them, now that Harry is safe.
 
Back
Top