Probability manipulation

[Wynne Carluk]

Here is the state of our world:
A majority of people in the world are greedy, self serving oppertunists who seek only to take what they want from the world and to hell with everyone else. They do what they want because there is just no real reason not to. Do as thou will. They leave out the "Harm no-one" part. Thieves, murderers, rapists, politicians, liars. Very few are doing what is right.
Thankfully, very few know that probability <the future=""> can, and IS being manipulated by a small percent of incarnated souls today.
Here is what must be done:
If the world will not live in the ways that are right, just and true, they must be MADE to live and do that which is right by 1.FORCIBLY manipulating the probability of their choices. And, 2. Embedding the entire astral plane with a resonation which the masses are affected by and can not but echo in their daily lives.
My thread is this.
"Should reality be manipulated to HEEL the world?"
Probability CAN be manipulated by thought, hence we have "Prayer"...praying for something to come to pass, and if it is "Gods" will, it will come to pass. Thought has energy, and the more more you think about a specific thought, the more energy you lend to it. More than that, it is INTENT which is the key to any thought. The energy created by any thought will have the resonance of your intention.
There are Souls living today that are born manipulating the chaotic future and bringing both their fears and sometimes that which they desire into reality. Most never awaken to the fact that they are doing this. Many who awaken to such a profound ability usually fall victim to their own greed and avarice. Others end up listening to the main stream religious leaders concerning such things being evil and of the "devil" and thus never cultivate their talents. ALL have the same line formations on at least the left hand, and for the most ancient of souls, on both hands. ALL are susceptible to addiction. Many are diagnosed with mental disorders and given medication to "help them not see Auras <in my="" case="">, or to help them cope with the voices, night terrors, the list goes on. In a past age these people were stoned, in another a few were burned at the stake, now they are medicated into harmless listless zombies. This is the history and the current state of incarnated souls which walked the earth before Atlantis. We are among you.
Now...I pose the question again.
</in></the>"Should reality be manipulated to HEEL the world?"

 

[Yestopia]

Well, your assessment of humanity is pretty twisted.

Most people are actually pretty wonderful, it is the nature of some humans to be self centred greed machines. These are the most motivated amongst us and somehow have managed to download their worldview to people like you. Give your head a shake.

I too spent (wasted?) time on the pseudo cult of Intentionality/The Secret etc. After a very short time I realized that most into this stuff were guilty of :

Reification (fallacy), fallacy of treating an abstraction as if it were a real thing

I could not have a simple discussion with my fellow 'intention" disciples, having to perpetually twist my words away from my "intended" message to a phony positive spin lest I be guilty of going "upstream".

Then I woke up, had a good shit and was grateful that I had walked into a mindfuck and left with my mind intact.

Bring yourself to heel dude.

 

[dusty]

Bring yourself to heel dude.

I like the irony in that response Yestopia,

Everyone should have decent footwear imo

Mark

 

[TClaeys]

Maybe English is not your first language, in which I'll apologize. But it is "heal" not "heel".

Look, if it is God's will that something will happen then prayer wouldn't logically even make a difference. If it is God's will then it is Gods will. ... but then again, I think that is ridiculous. People are what they are due to their upbringing and their environment. Was Hitler "evil" because he had an evil soul?? I would say emphatically no. He was evil because all of the events in his life sculped him and his thought process. If he had been brought up in a different environment he would have turned out differently, perhaps even good. Prayer or intent has nothing to do with it, I'm sorry to say.

Incarnated souls, astral planes, Atlantis . ??? Please, if you wish to talk about this nonsense, then provide some proofs for your reasoning which you believe is true. As far as I can tell you're not harming anyone. In fact you're probably a good person trying to invoke the positive into reality which by itself is actually admirable.

So even it if was possible, .. should we force people to act the way you think they should?? That sounds like another power trip altogether. What certain people label as evil others label as neccessary and even good. Who is the judge?? Is a lion evil because it kills?? Is it evil for humans to use (destroy) embryos in a search for better remedies for disease?? Is killing always in the name of negative energy?? What "Americans" did to the Indians was right?? Wrong??

What exactly would you manipulate the probability to yield??

 

[Wynne Carluk]

Yestopia; you are right. A majority of people only want to live in peace.:redface: However, there is a minority of humanity which doesn't.:frown: This minority murders people, rapes woman, abuses men, woman and worst of all children. Bank CEO's rake in tens of millions of dollars per year and all but spit on the unfortunate homeless person they walk past on their lunch break. This minority commits HORRIBLE atrocities every DAY, and they take the GOOD intentions, meek and gentle natures of the majority as a weakness, taking advantage of them and preying upon these righteous elements at every chance they get. This is not a twisted view of the world Yestopia, it's the horrible harsh truth.
You stated an opinion rather than answering the thread. Try one more time.
Should the world be MADE to do what is right, seek what is just and hold to what is true through probability manipulation and astral resonation?

 

[Kieran]

I've many opinions on the God theory. And, for me to write everything on it would take forever. Humans created by "God" that is a theory that is openly believed among Religions and individuals.Well the question is, if God created humans in his own image does God behave in the same way as everyone no exceptions.

Everyone has there own personality. Your brain is what makes you what you are, outside influences beyond your physical body and brain also influence your views and your thinking.

Good and bad Upbringing can change the way you think about life. Friends also. If you life in constant wealth, you might have less of an interest in how others who are less well of live.

I still of the belief, your brain you are born with influences many areas of your thinking and how you view things. Gods problem if he exists. He created life deal with it.

I think there is bad and good within everyone.We are Humans, and we pretty much the same as we where in the past. Every human is different some crave power and money, some what the newest gadget , and some just want to have a meal for the next day.

Some humans will never change and new humans born in the future will probably end up being cruel or mean. It called humanity, get used to it, it not likely to change any time soon.

 

[Schuyler]

Should the world be MADE to do what is right, seek what is just and hold to what is true through probability manipulation and astral resonation?

Answer: No. If you do, then you become that which you despise. Who says you have the correct answers? Why should anyone take your view of morality over another's? Your point of view has driven bloody revolutions over the centuries and killed millions. You think 'God is on your side.' I don't think so. The people you think of as evil started out their 'careers' thinking exactly the same way you now profess. They decided they would force the rest of the world to their way of thinking, with terrible suffering resulting.

Besides, since you invoke reincarnation and souls, just think of this Earth as a Second Life. It's a game in which you are immersed. Nothing is real. You are merely an avatar being manipulated by your Higher Self for his or her amusement, not yours. He thinks he can 'learn lessons' and advance by subjecting you to torture and pain, thus elevating his own vibration to a higher plane. He doesn't give a shit whether you hurt or not because you aren't real.

When you die and actually awake from this sordid dream, the first words out of your mouth will be, "Oh, shit! It was just a game!" But because you're addicted, you'll want to run right back down here and do it all over again.

So, No, don't try to make anyone 'heal.' Just take care of your own self and leave everyone else alone.

 

[Wynne Carluk]

Maybe English is not your first language, in which I'll apologize. But it is "heal" not "heel".
By HEEL I refer to the term we tell our dog when it is pulling on a leash.
Look, if it is God's will that something will happen then prayer wouldn't logically even make a difference. If it is God's will then it is Gods will. ... but then again, I think that is ridiculous. People are what they are due to their upbringing and their environment. Was Hitler "evil" because he had an evil soul?? I would say emphatically no. He was evil because all of the events in his life sculped him and his thought process. If he had been brought up in a different environment he would have turned out differently, perhaps even good. Prayer or intent has nothing to do with it, I'm sorry to say.
That things are happening because it is "Gods Will" IS ridiculous. Rape and murder are far from "Gods" or MOST of our will, but they DO happen, and they happen because of INTENT.
You are CLOSE on one thing though. Upbringing and environment. A better way of saying it would be that we are the sum of our experiences, which is to say that it is our experiences which are key in defining what kind of spirit we evolve to be.
I didn't even bring up the term "Evil". There is simply That which is Right <correct>, and that which is Wrong, <Incorrect>. There are some incorrect actions being done by a minority of humanity which are atrocious, and there are actions done by a MAJORITY of humanity that are unwise, hence incorrect.
Who is to decide what is right? Who is to set the standard? I DON'T want to be the one. What if, even with the best of intentions, I was wrong in my idea of Right, Just, and True? That's quite a bit of responsibility.
Incarnated souls, astral planes, Atlantis . ??? Please, if you wish to talk about this nonsense, then provide some proofs for your reasoning which you believe is true. I don't intend on providing any other proof for the ancient souls other than stating <again> that they ALL have the same line formations on at least one hand. And I choose not to tell you what these line formations are in this thread. Those who wish to know this can email me at Elasfars.Song@gmail and ask me.
As for Atlantis, there has been enough written about it for people to research.
As for the Astral emanation, what is it to me if you or anyone else knows its there. Better that you DON'T understand it than to tinker with things you don't know the characteristics of and screw things up.
As far as I can tell you're not harming anyone. In fact you're probably a good person trying to invoke the positive into reality which by itself is actually admirable.
You are close to stating the foundation of "What is Right". It is simply "That which is most beneficial <positive> for all emanations.
So even it if was possible, .. should we force people to act the way you think they should?? People should be made to do what is most beneficial. That sounds like another power trip altogether. What certain people label as evil others label as neccessary and even good. Who is the judge?? Is a lion evil because it kills?? Only if it kills ME!!!Is it evil for humans to use (destroy) embryos in a search for better remedies for disease?? Is killing always in the name of negative energy?? What "Americans" did to the Indians was right?? Wrong?? Each of these questions are topics for another thread, but they have the same underlying question. "What is Right?"

What exactly would you manipulate the probability to yield??
Wisdom.

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[Wynne Carluk]

Answer: No. If you do, then you become that which you despise. There would be peace. Who says you have the correct answers? It doesn't have to be me. Why should anyone take your view of morality over another's? They would choose it thinking it their OWN. Your point of view has driven bloody revolutions over the centuries and killed millions. My point of view is that resonation and manipulation of probability <reality> is a way of bringing the world to do what is right by what they will think to be "Their Own" conviction. </reality>You think 'God is on your side.' Free will isn't working. There is still greed, murder, rape, violence, and a hundred other atrocities. Enforcing a resonation upon the world to do what is right would bring such incorrect actions to an end. Those who DO follow the correct pat would continue to anyways. I don't think so. I don't think so either, but enough is enough. The people you think of as evil started out their 'careers' thinking exactly the same way you now profess. They used armies, police, and government in an attempt to enforce their will upon humanity. I think embedding an irresistible resonation would be both bloodless and benevolent. They decided they would force the rest of the world to their way of thinking, with terrible suffering resulting. Through the use of police, armies, punishment and reward. By manipulating probable futures <reality> and by seeding the astral emanation with an irresistible resonation there would be no punishment or rewards
because humanity wouldn't even be aware they were being manipulated. </reality>

Besides, since you invoke reincarnation and souls, just think of this Earth as a Second Life. It's a game in which you are immersed. Nothing is real. Of course. That is why "Reality" can be manipulated. You are merely an avatar being manipulated by your Higher Self for his or her amusement, not yours. I am fully aware of my higher self(s), and have been working at aligning all of mine that I have as yet awakened to.
He thinks he can 'learn lessons' and advance by subjecting you to torture and pain, thus elevating his own vibration to a higher plane. He doesn't give a shit whether you hurt or not because you aren't real. Here you are mistaken. Our conscious resonation at this level is an emenation just as real as the next higher one, and the next higher one is a real resonation only a little more tempered than the one below it. Temperance is a process that each higher self, concerns itself with, or at least SHOULD.

When you die and actually awake from this sordid dream, the first words out of your mouth will be, "Oh, shit! It was just a game!" It is not a game. It is the progression of souls towards higher levels of perfect resonation. But because you're addicted, you'll want to run right back down here and do it all over again. No. I, as in the example of Plato's Cave, having come out of the darkness of shadows and illusions, into a more accurate and true preception of the Universe do never again want to descend into the shadows of the cave of darkness. There are only two instances of blindness of perception...Coming from the darkness INTO the lght, or descending from the light into the darkness.

So, No, don't try to make anyone 'heal.' <heel...as in="" obey=""> </heel...as>Just take care of your own self and leave everyone else alone. Yet allow the governments to tell us what to think, what do and not do, add to the over 60,000 laws that Americans now have, and are yet unable to stop violence, murder, rape, abuse, greed, and avarice. I'm sorry but, not only MUST it be done, it's already going on.
It's to late. What I suggest is ALREADY being done. So far, not by me on the world scale, but I have had some degree of success in such experiments as instilling specific emotions upon groups of people with thought resonation, so I know it works. I'm only experimenting with manipulation of probabilities and resonation seeding, but there are others who are doing this on a large scale and succeeding.

 

[Kieran]

Maybe English is not your first language, in which I'll apologize. But it is "heal" not "heel".
By HEEL I refer to the term we tell our dog when it is pulling on a leash.
Look, if it is God's will that something will happen then prayer wouldn't logically even make a difference. If it is God's will then it is Gods will. ... but then again, I think that is ridiculous. People are what they are due to their upbringing and their environment. Was Hitler "evil" because he had an evil soul?? I would say emphatically no. He was evil because all of the events in his life sculped him and his thought process. If he had been brought up in a different environment he would have turned out differently, perhaps even good. Prayer or intent has nothing to do with it, I'm sorry to say.
That things are happening because it is "Gods Will" IS ridiculous. Rape and murder are far from "Gods" or MOST of our will, but they DO happen, and they happen because of INTENT.
You are CLOSE on one thing though. Upbringing and environment. A better way of saying it would be that we are the sum of our experiences, which is to say that it is our experiences which are key in defining what kind of spirit we evolve to be.
I didn't even bring up the term "Evil". There is simply That which is Right <correct>, and that which is Wrong, <Incorrect>. There are some incorrect actions being done by a minority of humanity which are atrocious, and there are actions done by a MAJORITY of humanity that are unwise, hence incorrect.
Who is to decide what is right? Who is to set the standard? I DON'T want to be the one. What if, even with the best of intentions, I was wrong in my idea of Right, Just, and True? That's quite a bit of responsibility.
Incarnated souls, astral planes, Atlantis . ??? Please, if you wish to talk about this nonsense, then provide some proofs for your reasoning which you believe is true. I don't intend on providing any other proof for the ancient souls other than stating <again> that they ALL have the same line formations on at least one hand. And I choose not to tell you what these line formations are in this thread. Those who wish to know this can email me at Elasfars.Song@gmail and ask me.
As for Atlantis, there has been enough written about it for people to research.
As for the Astral emanation, what is it to me if you or anyone else knows its there. Better that you DON'T understand it than to tinker with things you don't know the characteristics of and screw things up.
As far as I can tell you're not harming anyone. In fact you're probably a good person trying to invoke the positive into reality which by itself is actually admirable.
You are close to stating the foundation of "What is Right". It is simply "That which is most beneficial <positive> for all emanations.
So even it if was possible, .. should we force people to act the way you think they should?? People should be made to do what is most beneficial. That sounds like another power trip altogether. What certain people label as evil others label as neccessary and even good. Who is the judge?? Is a lion evil because it kills?? Only if it kills ME!!!Is it evil for humans to use (destroy) embryos in a search for better remedies for disease?? Is killing always in the name of negative energy?? What "Americans" did to the Indians was right?? Wrong?? Each of these questions are topics for another thread, but they have the same underlying question. "What is Right?"

What exactly would you manipulate the probability to yield??
Wisdom.

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What is God's will? there is no prove a higher power give us anything or even created us nothing. I am willing to bet that UFO's has something to do with our beliefs and principles. As i stated some Humans will never change due to many factors. Rape, killings have always happened if there was no killing or even rape, we probably would be not be humans. Is it evil? yes it is, But what is evil, why do humans have evil within themselves, that is the real question, you must ask.

Ask God, God has lot to answer for if your belief is he is our creator. If everything is one and made by one spiritual entity then evil is something God must have been aware of when he created man in his image.

We are not alone every animal kills other life either for food or for some other deprived reason. The question you could ask is everything, i mean everything all lifeforms either here our somewhere else in the universe have good and evil entities or good and evil playing out. It just a balance.

That is where the whole God and the Devil scenario came about. Good vs Evil is everywhere. Some humans care for others and other could not give a damn.

Those who are good see how evil hurts others. But people who are not good have a need to do evil.

 

[Xylo]

You sound a bit upset, or possibly just highly motivated, I'm not really sure which.

First your premise of bringing people (the world) to "heel" has echoes of using force, coercion and threat in order to achieve it's ends. Force is always met with resistance.

Secondly you indicated in your opening post that it is a majority of humanity that undertakes these actions. I feel very strongly that it is a minority of humans that do this.

But in response to your question: No. When one gets these ideas, all one has to do is look at history and see those regimes, societies, groups or others that have tried to mold reality in an image of which they approve. All of these societies fail. They fail due to humankinds need for individual expression, creativity, greed, and a multitude of other reasons.

 

[Schuyler]

You don't seem to be tracking very well, Carluk. Really. I think you need to think hard about what you are trying to say before you commit it to a post. Your refutations make no logical sense and your run-on style makes the posts terribly difficult to read. I really don't think you have anything insightful to say here, so I am abandoning this thread and leave it to people who really like hearing a fingernail screech across a blackboard. ta da.

 

[Wynne Carluk]

Metaphorically, "heel" does indeed denote force, but in this instance, not through coercion. By manipulating probability (reality), and by embedding a resonation irresistable to humanity, they would make choices, live life, and interact with each other following that resonation as if it were their OWN choice and their OWN way of life. They wouldn't be aware of the coercion even going on.
I'm not angry or upset. I am disturbed that no matter the type of government and the amount of laws, atrocities still persist.
I stand corrected. It probably IS a minority which chooses to do horrible things against humanity, but this minority is still a very large number of people.
Others have tried to mold the world into their idea of right and wrong through the use of punishment, coercion, war, bribes for compliance, <rewards for doing what is "right">, and you are correct. This has not worked.
I suggest a more COMPLETE way, free of punishment and physical coercion. People would treat each other right simply because they are made to by means of manipulating their choices by controlling "reality" <probability>

 

[Wynne Carluk]

With each of your statements, I gave an answer. You could have gave an example of my illogical thoughts. Merely stating I wasn't being logical without giving an example doesn't say to much.
You're right though. You should leave this thread to those who are interested in exploring the many possibilities involved with the manipulation of probability.

 

[Wynne Carluk]

In all of my experiments instilling specific emotions in others through thought resonation, there has been absolutly zero resistance. Simply, they thought the emotion they were feeling was of their own creation. <they were not aware of the resonation going on in the first place>

 

[Siani]

"Probability manipulation" and "astral resonation" - WTF are they when they're at home? Sorry to be rude, but ostensibly, this sounds like yet another hairy load of New Age bollocks to me. Forcing people to behave in a particular way, because it accords with your own morality? Digging a little deeper, this sounds worryingly like some kind of religious fundamentalism.

I'm no Bible aficionado, but if you believe in God, didn't that god give mankind free will? And shouldn't it be up to your god to decide whether to retract that free will or not?

Yes, there are bad bastards in this world, and I truly wish there was some way to make them good. But with the power of prayer and whatever "astral resonance" may be? The might of states and judiciaries, and the power of the bomb and gun, have failed to force people to alter their beliefs and lifestyles. So what hope does a bizarre and befuddled fusion of religious fundamentalism and hippy shit have? Absolutely zilch.

 

[Poi]

Although I'm sure to spout from time to time, all the wisdom I ever gleaned is that I don't know much, not really. I know if I start labeling what is right and what is wrong, I'm really coming from a very bad place.

Coming from innocence is best. If we could return to a more childlike state in our hearts, we would feel no need to manipulate. If we are truly here to learn anything, I think it closer to that.

You're mirroring, Wwayne. Look closely at what you wish to cure. It's staring you in the face.

 

[TClaeys]

I suggest a more COMPLETE way, free of punishment and physical coercion. People would treat each other right simply because they are made to by means of manipulating their choices by controlling "reality"
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Would you describe what you are talking about. What complete way?? What means to control??

You don't like what you see. Therefore you want to control EVERYONE and make them act how you want. That sounds as scary as anything to me.

So, tell us what does right mean?? It's a pretty big subject, but you must have some idea or you wouldn't want to control everyone so they act that way. There are lots of areas here, ...right and wrong. I don't want to start asking more hypothetical questions until you can describe what your dream world would be like. So, could you describe it??

And please be specific if you can, ... I'm not looking for "peaceful", "caring", "loving" and all that. Because on a global scale or anything outside of 2 people, that just doesn't cut it. People need things: food water, shelter, energy, etc. Most of the problems occur over these basic needs. Otherwise they occur because of something one party has that the other wants.

 

[Xylo]

Metaphorically, "heel" does indeed denote force, but in this instance, not through coercion. By manipulating probability (reality), and by embedding a resonation irresistable to humanity, they would make choices, live life, and interact with each other following that resonation as if it were their OWN choice and their OWN way of life. They wouldn't be aware of the coercion even going on.
I'm not angry or upset. I am disturbed that no matter the type of government and the amount of laws, atrocities still persist.
I stand corrected. It probably IS a minority which chooses to do horrible things against humanity, but this minority is still a very large number of people.
Others have tried to mold the world into their idea of right and wrong through the use of punishment, coercion, war, bribes for compliance, <rewards for="" doing="" what="" is="" right="">, and you are correct. This has not worked.
I suggest a more COMPLETE way, free of punishment and physical coercion. People would treat each other right simply because they are made to by means of manipulating their choices by controlling "reality"

</probability></rewards>

And just how can you limit choice?

Reality is controlled by perception. My reality is different from yours, which is different from Schuyler's, which is different than Pinochet's reality or the reality known by anyone else. So to whom does this manipulation of reality benefit? No one really. To eliminate the bad in life, all one does is create less good. For us to recognize the good there must be bad. To recognize light there must be darkness.

Yeah, it sucks doesn't it? This thing called "The Human Condition." It sucks. But it's what we've got to deal with until we evolve or die. To presume that controlling the access to one's own reality is a viable option is madness itself. You can live your own life behind rose colored glasses, but I want to experience the lows in life so that I can appreciate the highs.

 

[Xylo]

In all of my experiments instilling specific emotions in others through thought resonation, there has been absolutly zero resistance. Simply, they thought the emotion they were feeling was of their own creation. <they were="" not="" aware="" of="" resonation="" going="" on="" in="" the="" first="" place=""></they>

Have you published the results of your experiments? How were the experiments conducted?