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Radar simulation of UFO's in Navy Training 3rd Exerience

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Ni7suj

Paranormal Novice
My 3rd experience is the one that made me a 100% believer in the UFO phenomenon. I don't have a lot of details like I would like to because really I think it was meant for us to not have details.

I joined the Navy in 1996 and graduated Boot Camp from Division 116. I was on a SEAL contract but with a SEAL contract you must go to a school before you go off to BUD/s because you have to have something to fall back on with such a high failure record. I chose and Operation Specialist. That is somebody who navigates the ships and operates the radar on the ships. So I went to OS-A school in Virginia Beach, VA. During that time we would go to a secure building with a bunch of radar equipment set up. It was basically a class to teach you how to operate radar and to track ships and aircraft on radar. The equipment looked old as dirt and really... most of the equipment on the ships are actually old as dirt and the same exact things in the class. I didn't know that at the time.
One day the officer teaching us said we were going to run through some simulations to track some unidentified objects. I thought we were going to try and identify objects by their speed, radar signatures, and maneuverability because we had done it before. She said we would be doing this for 3 days. I sat next to my girl who later became my wife... that is a bad story I won't get into... and we continued to be trained on the subject. She said that we were going to track some objects that had been previously recorded. Now all the training we had on these things were either previously recorded actual events on this equipment. All the computer created events were on different equipment. I assume this was because the recorded events were actually on some sort of data tapes and the old equipment couldn't be configured to use the new equipment. The old equipment was actual functional equipment with live radar on top of the building. You could see traffic in the air in real time when they switched it on. So they had data tapes they would put in the system and all of us could see the radar screen the actual way it looked when it was recorded.

We were told that we were tracking object unknown and they were categorized by their flight characteristics. I suddenly perked up because this sounded strange to me. We had a sheet next to our screens that had code words and characteristics next to the words. These were actually names given to these objects. We were to identify what the object was by the chart by its flight characteristics and chart it down on the map with the code word listed on the chart.

We went through the simulations and these objects would move thousands of miles per hour then suddenly stop. Or they would travel in one direction and turn in the opposite direction. They all had set speeds that seemed to indicate what type of object they were. Almost like they were identified only by it's top speed or it turn angle. We did this for 3 days and the class was only an hour and a half or so long per day. I remember one conversation I had with my soon to be wife... "Can you believe this? This is freaking amazing! We are actually tracking things that are supposedly UFO's!" She turned to me and said "Yeah... I always knew they were real though." And she wasn't excited about it or anything. I looked around the classroom and NOBODY was looking excited or anything! Everybody seemed to have this look as if it was just an every day thing. I talked to several people in my class about it and only one other person was half as excited as I was. Everybody else seemed to think this was always known.

It was the moment that I knew... the military knows about these things for certain. But the kicker was the last class and what she told everybody. What she said actually had a couple people whispering to each other. She said... I will try to quote what she said the best I can... "If and when you ever see one of these things here is what will happen... the Captain will down and take the map... he will probably tell you this is a classified matter and not to speak of it... then he will leave and it will be done." A hand raised and a classmate asked "What does he do with it?" She said something like "He will store it in his safe until the ship ports."

I was so amazed I just had to ask her something. I talked to her after class and asked her what she thought of it? It baffled me that she didn't seem so excited. She said something like "It's pretty cool isn't it?" I told her I couldn't believe it and she said not to get too excited about it. I asked her if she had seen this yet and she said no. And that was that... I never heard anything about it again and to this day I have YET to hear anybody come out and talk about that training.

So I am hoping somebody here in this community can share on this subject. I have never found anybody that was an OS and let alone found anybody that has come out and spoken of this. I've told all my friends and family but it never goes anywhere past that. Maybe somebody can shed light on this here?

That's my story on that matter.
 
That is insanely awesome. Id be like you, excited as a little kid at christmas. Im guessing you didnt, but did you ask how old the radar tapes were?

So basically you have seen a genuine radar event of a UFO... amazing. So compared to a plane, how ridiculously fast did the blips appear to be moving? And you saw them so sudden stops and change direction?

I cant believe how open the Navy was like that.
 
That is insanely awesome. Id be like you, excited as a little kid at christmas. Im guessing you didnt, but did you ask how old the radar tapes were?

So basically you have seen a genuine radar event of a UFO... amazing. So compared to a plane, how ridiculously fast did the blips appear to be moving? And you saw them so sudden stops and change direction?

I cant believe how open the Navy was like that.


I was extremely excited but also got the notion I shouldn't be too excited after she told me to "not get too excited." ;)

Yes I had a genuine radar event of a UFO... but not just one. I believe we tracked 5 in one class each day. It could have been 4 or 6 though... I'm leaning more to 4 - 5 given the amount of time we spent on each one.

I will say that the speed was like a missile. But some were going slow... real slow... like 5 knots. Some were 700 knots (about Mach 1) and one I remember being extremely fast like 3500 knots which was over Mach 5. I remember thinking on that first day that we must be tracking missiles until I later realized that we were not because they would suddenly stop. When I say suddenly stop I mean... the Radar would make a pass and I would see it is moving at a course and speed by the last pass of the Radar. Then the next pass the object would be in the same position meaning it had stopped all movement. It would sit there for several passes then another pass and it would be heading a different course and speed.

I remember a weird one that we had to look for. It would appear out of nowhere at a very low altitude. The radar would be set at a low altitude scanning for ground traffice (ships) and it would appear. It would then have to be tracked by adjusting for altitude. It was essentially going up into the sky. I couldn't tell how fast it was going up but by the rate of adjustments it had to be fast. It would change course a couple of times then be out of radar range in a couple of minutes. I got the notion that this thing was coming from under the surface. That one stood out in my mind.

I hope somebody else here has the same experience at that school. I would love to talk about it. I really don't have a lot of answers about it. My time in the Navy was short after an injury but I have a feeling I wouldn't have found out anymore anyway because would be a need to know basis.
 
No experience here, but I can understand why there were people who weren't surprised. Anyone who takes sufficient time to study ufology knows UFOs ( alien craft ) are real and that the military, particularly those responsible for detection and tracking of foreign aircraft must have detected and tracked them numerous times. Which agency in particular is that? Space Command, which is always undergoing changes, but according to Wikipedia ,at last count included more than 40,000 people who perform AFSPC missions at 88 locations worldwide.
 
@Ni7suj - thanks for a great post. I've a few things to say now I've read it through.

I too am constantly amazed at how utterly unfazed most people can be when presented with compelling evidence that, at the very least, proves an official recognition of the UFO subject, if not the actual reality of non-human made ships/objects that fly in amazing ways.
For these people, the quality of the evidence or outright/implied importance of evidence is irrelevant; there is no magic level of proof that makes them go 'wow!' So, in my view, we are left with people who just don't want it to be true - it's really the only reason I can come up with, because really, how could any thinking human be unmoved at the prospect of an intelligence totally outwith our ken, freely roaming around our skies? Such a thing logically could be followed on with other planetary civilisations, extra-dimensional travel, crypto-terrestrial beings etc - I mean, whatever the source, it's huge and yet many, if not most wish 'not to be bothered with it'? It doesn't make sense to me unless it's some kind of defence-mechanism of the mind. It matters not a jot if someone is uninterested in Sci-fi or spaceships and aliens, the reality that any other intelligence at all operating under (or over) our noses is just so hugely important, it cannot be adequately quantified in my view.

As for your experience with the radar training, I love how not only had you personally sussed the relevance of the tracks given to you by recordings, but the fact you brought it to the attention of your instructor and she absolutely knew exactly what you were talking about!

I am always regretting the fact that when I had the chance in the Navy to question very long-serving radar operators/instructors about 'strange or very fast' tracks, for some reason it just never occurred to me at the time. With guys who have done many years at sea sitting in front of screens of very powerful radar systems - surely many, if not most, must have at some time(s) seen strange tracks that defy the characteristics of known enemy craft? What a missed opportunity on my part......bummer!

Anyway, great post with lots of food for thought.

Goggs
 
I think that Stagger Lee's point is the big one. I would think that if this is common basic training then why have we not heard of this before? Doesn't anyone out here know someone who can confirm this training? @Goggs Mackay, are you saying you have zero contact with someone who has had this training?
 
Goggs makes a good point above. 20 yrs ago I was introduced to the mute phenom, convinced at the time saucers were responsible. I tried to introduce the subject to two close friends, who agreed with the strangeness- but would just shrug their shoulders. They at least were convinced of visitors, but took it as something obvious and natural.
 
I was extremely excited but also got the notion I shouldn't be too excited after she told me to "not get too excited." ;)

Yes I had a genuine radar event of a UFO... but not just one. I believe we tracked 5 in one class each day. It could have been 4 or 6 though... I'm leaning more to 4 - 5 given the amount of time we spent on each one.

I will say that the speed was like a missile. But some were going slow... real slow... like 5 knots. Some were 700 knots (about Mach 1) and one I remember being extremely fast like 3500 knots which was over Mach 5. I remember thinking on that first day that we must be tracking missiles until I later realized that we were not because they would suddenly stop. When I say suddenly stop I mean... the Radar would make a pass and I would see it is moving at a course and speed by the last pass of the Radar. Then the next pass the object would be in the same position meaning it had stopped all movement. It would sit there for several passes then another pass and it would be heading a different course and speed.

I remember a weird one that we had to look for. It would appear out of nowhere at a very low altitude. The radar would be set at a low altitude scanning for ground traffice (ships) and it would appear. It would then have to be tracked by adjusting for altitude. It was essentially going up into the sky. I couldn't tell how fast it was going up but by the rate of adjustments it had to be fast. It would change course a couple of times then be out of radar range in a couple of minutes. I got the notion that this thing was coming from under the surface. That one stood out in my mind.

I hope somebody else here has the same experience at that school. I would love to talk about it. I really don't have a lot of answers about it. My time in the Navy was short after an injury but I have a feeling I wouldn't have found out anymore anyway because would be a need to know basis.

That's a fantastic story. Any chance you might appear as a guest on The Paracast and share it with us more directly? Anyone who has been acquainted with someone in the military who has served in a highly responsible position and also had "an encounter" will sit up and pay attention.
 
I think that Stagger Lee's point is the big one. I would think that if this is common basic training then why have we not heard of this before? Doesn't anyone out here know someone who can confirm this training? @Goggs Mackay, are you saying you have zero contact with someone who has had this training?


To clarify, I was in Signals Intelligence and the time I was talking about was a short period when I was doing a course at the Electronic Warfare School (we had to be aware of all possible types of intelligence that can be collected on board, and ELINT {electronic intelligence} is a large part of that. Anyway, this would have been my opportunity to talk to anyone currently serving in the Royal Navy in a Radar capacity, with a lot of time under their belts. I never made any last friends from that branch, the people I am still in touch with were in my branch and also some Royal Marines. If I really wanted to I suppose I could ask someone to go find out but really it's a big ask for people I don't see any more to go digging on this particular subject. I never underwent any actual radar training of any kind myself and I believe the original poster is talking about the US Navy anyway so the training over here in the UK may not have used any such recordings as mentioned. I did visit the Virginia Naval Base but didn't have any training there at all.
 
Wow! What a story!

Question: How were the different types of UFOs classified and how many different types were there? Did they give them numbers, names, or what have you?

I think the reason why people are generally unmoved by the UFO phenomena is that we have been acclimated to the notion by and large through popular culture. Your situation also had the additional weight of the "do your job and drink a big cup of shut the f$%& up" quality of military service.
 
I realize the original post is 5 years old, and we are not likely to get any reply from the original poster here. There is something about his posts that seem very genuine. I can't help but wonder though, if such a simulation is routine and required in this training- why is this the first, and only time we are hearing of it? While the instructor did say not to get too excited over it, there was no mention of "sworn secrecy"(for lack of a better phrase) Unless, the entire course of this training was assumed to be as much, for "National Security" purposes.
 
I had to dig out this thread when I found it. I'm just sorry I missed out on the chance to question the op, and a little surprised there weren't more responses originally.
 
I realize the original post is 5 years old, and we are not likely to get any reply from the original poster here. There is something about his posts that seem very genuine. I can't help but wonder though, if such a simulation is routine and required in this training- why is this the first, and only time we are hearing of it? While the instructor did say not to get too excited over it, there was no mention of "sworn secrecy"(for lack of a better phrase) Unless, the entire course of this training was assumed to be as much, for "National Security" purposes.

Oops! I didn't check the date. Yes--chances of original poster re-surfacing are probably slim.
 
I think the veracity of the claim is highly questionable. The whole part about the superior, and everyone else shaking it off as, 'no big deal,' seems like a construction. @Ni7suj was last seen three years ago. I doubt there will be a return. If this was a common experience, as pointed out previously, we would have heard this type of story many times before.

Most significant is that this is in fact the third experience being posted by this author. The other two involve a case of dancing stars in the night sky and a close encounter with a giant shadow creature with a pointed head in the middle of the road. Just sayin'.
 
well if blips on an imaginary screen got him excited, an imaginary pointy headed monster in the middle of the road musta made him dizzy.
 
I think it's a good example of how fantastic stories help to magnify various paranormal phenomenon and contribute to creating long lasting library of lore.
 
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