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ok the science in this movie is going to be total BS
sure an EMP pulse will knock out high end electronics but older mechanical generators, transformers, engines will be fine. And once the situation is passed you start rebuilding the high end stuff.

Not saying an EMP would not be devastating as it would be but to bring the world to the situation the permis of this film is based on is pure fantasy.

 
I have an interest in EMP's, and i think a big enough one could cause us some grief for a little while.


Geomagnetic disturbances, the earthly effects of solar weather, are not a new threat to the electric sector. Recent analysis suggests that the potential extremes of the geomagnetic threat environment may be much greater than previously anticipated. Geomagnetically-induced currents on system infrastructure have the potential to result in widespread tripping of key transmission lines and irreversible physical damage to large transformers. The 1989 event that caused a blackout of the Hydro Québec system proved beyond a doubt of the geomagnetic vulnerabilities and their potential consequences.
The physical damage of certain system components (e.g. extra-high-voltage transformers) on a large scale, could result in prolonged outages as procurement cycles for these components range from months to years. Many of these components are manufactured overseas, with little manufacturing capability remaining in North America.

The U.S. has 80,000 miles of extra-high voltage (EHV) transmission lines making up the backbone transmission grid that enables the long-haul transport of electricity for our nation. EHV transformers are critical pieces of equipment on the transmission grid. 90% of consumed power passes through a high voltage transformer at some point. If these transformers fail especially in large numbers, therein lies a very big problem. EHV transformers are huge, weighing hundreds of tons, making them difficult to transport – in some cases specialized rail cars must be used (and there is a limited supply of these). Many of the EHV transformers installed in the U.S. are approaching or exceeding the end of their design lifetimes (approx 30-40 years), increasing their vulnerability to failure.

Well-documented cases have noted heating failures that caused melting and burn-through of large-amperage copper windings and leads in these transformers (Figure 9). These transformers generally cannot be repaired in the field, and if damaged in this manner, need to be replaced with new units, which have manufacture lead times of 12–24 months or more in the world market.

Without electricity, a high percentage of today’s modern civilization would die within a month, two at the most. It would be unimaginable horror.
Geomagnetic Storm Power System Transformer EMP Threat (Modern Survival Blog)

So we may have a cascade effect, the transformers get destroyed, have a manufacturing lead time (in normal circumstances) of 12-24 months, power lines melt, which require replacing, which require a manufacturing base to make, which is down because the power is out.......

and then we have the impact on nuclear plants

However, in the event of an EMP attack, the grid will come down, and it may not come up for many months, if not years. It is likely that a substantial number of transformers that are used to link power plants (and this applies to all power plants – coal, gas, oil and nuclear) to the grid will be “fried.” There will be no way to obtain off-site power to restart the nuclear power plants. Most station blackout events are assumed to be concluded (i.e., “over”) within 24 hours. No one that I know of has seriously analyzed the effects of prolonged station blackouts.

Assuming that the emergency diesel generators will start after an EMP event (and this is up for debate), most power plants only have enough diesel fuel on site to keep them running for about one week (though some may have up to 30 days of fuel). If they don't start, or if the controls systems do not operate, then everything that I describe here will still come to pass, only much more rapidly. The power from the diesel generators is needed to operate the pumps that circulate the water in the reactor (called the “primary side”) and that also feed the steam generators with water (part of the “secondary side”). If power to the reactor coolant pumps in the primary side is lost, the reactor will likely begin what is known as “natural circulation.” However, in order to remove heat from the reactor core, water still needs to be continuously pumped through the steam generators so that the heated water in the secondary side can be cooled either via cooling towers, spray ponds or some other ultimate heat sink. If these secondary side (feed water) pumps will not operate, then the steam generators will dry out and then the cooling effect for the core is lost
http://www.survivalblog.com/2010/09/effects_of_an_emp_attack_or_se.html

Imagine every nuclear powerplant doing a fukishima......................
 
To be honest I am very glad we do not have any reactors where I live (well water reactors), Just a question as regards to redundancies built into the hydroelectric system.
My partner works for power supply here in NZ and from what she says not all of the transformers are on at the same time all of the time (if it struck at a peak point in use then yeah we are screwed).. given that would these not survive an EMP due to being of line at the time or would the simple fact that they have a connection to the grid doom them as well?
 
Ok mike I got the answer to my question and I should have known this anyway.. yes it would be damaged for even though the lines coming in may not be at peak load they are still transmitting energy and still as such in use. Power lines and substations are always live Do'h!!!!!

I should have known that anyway.
 
Bottom line, having the power turn off for a year is a bummer and a lot of people will die. But having the power off for a year and having 400 nuclear power plants and their associated spent fuel pools melt down, melt through and then blow up, just like Fukushima did recently, that is a MUCH BIGGER bummer and a terminal one for humanity.


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