RFID!! its a slippery slope people.

[stonehart]

Question: So this sounds like a good idea right? Keep track of the kids to keep them in school (just going to school dose not guarantee an education), sounds harmless?
So the question is: how long until your work place wants this? how long until your government wants this? how long until they dispense with the card and implant it?
Sounds paranoid?
It is a slippery slope my friends and once you start sliding down it it is very hard to stop.

"Following the lead of two other school districts in the state, San Antonio, Texas' Northside Independent School District is planning a pilot program that tracks students using transmitters inside identification cards. Why? For the money, apparently. Next year, ID cards outfitted with Radio Frequency Identification System (RFID) technology will be given to students at John Jay High School, Anson Jones Middle School, and all special education students who use district buses — totaling around 6,290 students, according to The San Antonio Express-News. If the pilot program is successful, the district wants to use the ID cards at all of its 111 schools, with a student population of almost 100,000...".* Ana Kasparian and Cenk Uygur discuss on The Young Turks.

Some thing for our Australian friends ... looks like you will be getting drones soon as well.

Drones to patrol Aussie beaches | Stuff.co.nz

I guess it is a good idea in this case....... maybe.

 

[truthseeker]

It's a good idea to help find your lost child. But definitely a slippery slope when it come to tagging adults. I can see how this can be beneficial for medical purposes also, but the idea if someone constantly tracking my whereabouts really freaks me out; but hey, they do it with our cellphones now anyway.

 

[stonehart]

It's a good idea to help find your lost child. But definitely a slippery slope when it come to tagging adults. I can see how this can be beneficial for medical purposes also, but the idea if someone constantly tracking my whereabouts really freaks me out; but hey, they do it with our cellphones now anyway.

Nice reply.

It is true that we are tracked now by cell phones etc but I still do not see that as a good excuse to say well it is no different (not a personal attack just thoughts).
You can turn your phone off so it can not track you.
Yes I can see the positives in the case of missing kids and medical information, but the benefits sad to say do not out way the ability for this to be abused by big mother (brother).
I guess that is the sad thing about technology that could in ways enhance our lives for there is always some one who is looking for a way to use it to gain power and control.

 

[nameless]

RFIDs been around since the 60s. It didnt really work properly then to many flaws and inherent problems, its like each decade they try and find a use for it, someoenes still trying to get their money back.

 

[stonehart]

RFIDs been around since the 60s. It didnt really work properly then to many flaws and inherent problems, its like each decade they try and find a use for it, someoenes still trying to get their money back.

This is true it is not a new idea.... but in the 1960s the technology was still primitive and the Cell Net did not exist.
It looks increasingly likely for good or ill this technology is going to become very personal to all of us.

 

[nameless]

whats wrong with just locking your kid in the cellar like they do in Austria?

 

[mike]

I dont have a problem with RFID tech myself.
My dogs all have them, and in the last year ive rescued a half dozen dogs from the highway that were reunited with grateful owners with an hour or so of getting them scanned at either the local vet or shelter.
Our garbage and recycle bins have RFID chips in them, and as each bin is loaded onto the truck, its contents are spread out, photographed and ID's via the chip.
Might sound a bit big brother, but it stops the dumping of dangerous and inapproriate stuff.
People have a tendancy to say if the garbage bin is full, "what does it matter" and dump a load of used nappies in the recycle bin, as long as its gone they dont give a damn.
But the poor buggers who have to sort plastic from glass at the recyc centre do.
This tech helps us track down the selfish bastards and punish them.

Like fire its a good tool, poor master

The negative aspect has already been done via stealth anyway, they can track a cell phone now, and most citizens wont leave home without one.
They learned forcing this on people wont work, so they made it appealing, tell them they must accept a national ID card, and they will march in the streets in protest.
Offer a free phone.....and they queue around the block

 

[stonehart]

I dont have a problem with RFID tech myself.
My dogs all have them, and in the last year ive rescued a half dozen dogs from the highway that were reunited with grateful owners with an hour or so of getting them scanned at either the local vet or shelter.
Our garbage and recycle bins have RFID chips in them, and as each bin is loaded onto the truck, its contents are spread out, photographed and ID's via the chip.
Might sound a bit big brother, but it stops the dumping of dangerous and inapproriate stuff.
People have a tendancy to say if the garbage bin is full, "what does it matter" and dump a load of used nappies in the recycle bin, as long as its gone they dont give a damn.
But the poor buggers who have to sort plastic from glass at the recyc centre do.
This tech helps us track down the selfish bastards and punish them.

Like fire its a good tool, poor master

Yes positive use of the technology I agree.. I guess I just do not trust the powers that be not to want to use this for other means.
I use RFID for sound gear so we know what is in the warehouse and who it has been booked for.. saves a huge amount on time.

 

[nameless]

whats wrong with just locking your kid in the cellar like they do in Austria?

realise the paedo nazi joke may be in bad taste to some people.

 

[stonehart]

realise the paedo nazi joke may be in bad taste to some people.

lol just a little yes
I could start posting the bad memes but I will let this one go.

Peace.

 

[Wade]

"how long until your government wants this?"

well, the us is pretty much itching for it right now, it's currently in use for any new passports since 2009...and probably most western passports as well...and IF they ever implement the national ID cards (Real ID...don't leave home without it) you can bet it will have the chip has well although as of now, it's still up in the air, or so they would have us believe

from the wikiapedia entry on real id

"...Said cards must also feature specific security features intended to prevent tampering, counterfeiting, or duplication of the document for fraudulent purposes. These cards must also present data in a common, machine-readable format (bar codes, Smart card technology, et al.). Although the use of wireless RFID chips was offered for consideration in the proposed rulemaking process, it was not included in the latest rulemaking process.[18] DHS could consider additional technological requirements to be incorporated into the licenses after consulting with the states. In addition, DHS has required the use of RFID chips in its Enhanced Driver's License program, which the Department is proposing as an alternative to REAL ID.[19]..."

at least we don't have a camera on every corner yet, ala britian but that's probably only because they haven't found a way to make any money off it yet.



"They learned forcing this on people wont work, so they made it appealing, tell them they must accept a national ID card, and they will march in the streets in protest. Offer a free phone.....and they queue around the block"

we are quite the lemmings aren't we?

 

[campbell71]

The point is no one has asked if we want it, like spookymulder said throw in a freebee and everyone rushes to sign up but they never think through the consequences... Yes i suppose we can be tracked via mobile phones but its our choice to invest in a phone - can you imagine what would happen if when you sent to purchase one the sales rep said... it does this that and the other. By the way you can be tracked by who ever wants to track you.... would it stop you buting one, would it make you think twice about buying one.....?

 

[mike]

Its true no one asked.
But understanding the prime rule, is the key to getting around it. The prime rule is this.......

The ability to do a thing , is all the right/justification you need to do that thing

Is that fair ?

It transcends fair, what gives a star the right to go supernova and take out the surrounding planets........
What gives the hawk the right to take the dove ?

What gives the fox the right to take the rabbit ?

What gives us the right to take a calf or a lamb and turn it into a sunday roast ?

The universe operates on this prime rule, you can look around you and see it reflected back at you by almost every facet of life.

Recognition of this fact, is your only defense in the face of it.

The universe is not going to cut you any slack, give you any concessions................

Its up to you to recognise this, and use that knowledge to wrestle whatever advantage you can from the situation.

The adages are age old, law of the jungle kill or be killed.... dog eat dog.......

If there is one Meme i can hope to impart to anyone via this medium, this is it

But also........ transcend it where you can.

Take care of number one.... but also number two and numbers 3 thru 3 trillion and beyond

The universe is a harsh mistress, mitigate that by being a compassionate master

This is both our burden, and privilege

 

[stonehart]

if you negotiate the minefield in the drive
and beat the dogs and cheat the cold electronic eyes
and if you make it past the shotgun in the hall
dial the combination. open the priesthole
and if i'm in i'll tell you what's behind the wall

You shout in your sleep.
Perhaps the price is just too steep.
Is your conscience at rest if once put to the test?
You awake with a start to just the beating of your heart.
Just one man beneath the sky,
Just two ears, just two eyes.
You set sail across the sea of long past thoughts and memories.
Childhood's end,
Your fantasies merge with harsh realities.
And then as the sail is hoist,
You find your eyes are growing moist.
All the fears never voiced say you have to make your final choice.
Who are you and who am I to say we know the reason why?
Some are born;
Some men die beneath one infinite sky.
There'll be war, there'll be peace.
But everything one day will cease.
All the iron turned to rust;
All the proud men turned to dust.
And so all things, time will mend.

 

[Wade]

The point is no one has asked if we want it, like spookymulder said throw in a freebee and everyone rushes to sign up but they never think through the consequences... Yes i suppose we can be tracked via mobile phones but its our choice to invest in a phone - can you imagine what would happen if when you sent to purchase one the sales rep said... it does this that and the other. By the way you can be tracked by who ever wants to track you.... would it stop you buting one, would it make you think twice about buying one.....?

@campbell 71 , it was mike that made that brilliant observation about the phone give away, in my editing of a quote of his I somehow messed it up. truth be told, I am one of those people, I have an android phone so I am one of those lemmings, but I have taken whatever steps whenever possible I can to lessen my digital footprints but now I noticed (as have others) in the latest download of google maps, which I love dearly, that navigation via gps ONLY is all over the place, for the most part you have to turn on wifi and use network triangulation to get a lock. Up until 2 months ago gps only was perfect. I Hope it's just a bug, but I'm thinking not.

Do you live in the states? Did you watch person of interest, I always enjoyed the under current of the theme of the machine being too powerful. And reese is such a bad ass.

@mike, stonehart what about you? do you watch it? In case you haven't watched it keep an eye out for it, as an action show, I think it's absolutely brilliant and while the big brother theme is an aspect they don't hit you over the head with it, but it's acknowledged even by our heros.the season finale suggested (to me anyhow) that it may play a bigger part come the new season. It uses the "gimmick" of minority report's pre crime to prevent crime but in a less futuristic way.

Person of Interest (TV series) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia?

 

[Wade]

Given your preferences and visual imagery of the lyrics that HAS to be pink floyd but which song is it?

 

[stonehart]

Given your preferences and visual imagery of the lyrics that HAS to be pink floyd but which song is it?

Well spotted .. the songs are "The Final Cut" and "Childhoods End"

I am a musician really as the engineering I do just pays the bills but it is live music that is my first love so I tend to think in music and lyrics if you know what I mean.

 

[campbell71]

@ Mike - Hey Mike , I understand the universe isn't going to cut me, or any of us, any slack but the universe isn't subject to morals and ethics. A star will supernova and swallow lesser stars and planets nearby but that's just physics in action. I have the ability to run down my neighbours daughter in my car but do i really have the right/ justification? No because I live by a set of laws and codes that have taught me its wrong to arbitrarily take another human life. The hawk may well eat the dove but that's survival - I have the ability to kill lamb and eat it, but that's a moral choice and I have to live with it....

 

[nameless]

godamn hippies

 

[campbell71]

.. hippy...? I've never been called that before... lol... I was just trying to say that it isn't a case of because you can do something it doesn't follow that if you do it it's right........