Rip van Winkle and missing time

[Xylo]

I've been wondering about this missing time/abduction phenomenon for quite a while, and recent shows have brought it back into the front of my mind. I got to wondering about the folktale/fairy tale of Rip Van Winkle.

Though it is possible that he went out into the wilds for 20 years, according to the story he had no recollection of the passage of time-in his mind he went out, got drunk, passed out and woke up 20 years later.

The time lapse would be somewhat consistent with a sequence involving FTL travel. I'm not saying that's what happened, or even that the story has any factual basis whatsoever.

Just something to think about. Anybody else know of any other fairytales/folktales that are consistent with anything else in this field?

 

[ALPHA ROMEO UNIFORM]

I've been wondering about this missing time/abduction phenomenon for quite a while, and recent shows have brought it back into the front of my mind. I got to wondering about the folktale/fairy tale of Rip Van Winkle.

Though it is possible that he went out into the wilds for 20 years, according to the story he had no recollection of the passage of time-in his mind he went out, got drunk, passed out and woke up 20 years later.

The time lapse would be somewhat consistent with a sequence involving FTL travel. I'm not saying that's what happened, or even that the story has any factual basis whatsoever.

Just something to think about. Anybody else know of any other fairytales/folktales that are consistent with anything else in this field?

Great thread Xylo,
Yes I remember talking to a very old lady who used to bind old books and she would find hinden messages regarding folk law tales where she used worked in one of those highly academic institutions and in witchcraft tales. Maybe today we are encountering a big bad wolf/red riding hood /jack the ripper (mutilation) of the Rip Van Winkle of strange awareness regarding abduction or contacts, encounters with somethings which may hide some cloaking device within images, shapes or dimensions so plausible indeed but who knows

Ja Love,
Blfish

 

[tortuegenial]

I don't know much about the missing time but I heard a similar story, perhaps the same, about a man who went hunting in the forest and encountered a different people. They invited him to their village to see what their lifestyle was like and they offered him drink. He drank and became very merry and stayed for what he thought was 2 days partying it up. When he returned to his village he learnt he was gone for months.

I heard this drink contains strong hallucinogenic properties almost like ayahuasca and it distorts time or you at least perceive it differently. Which makes sense, the perception of time changes under different highs.

Well, I heard Rip Van Winkle also drank something like this...

 

[Xylo]

The Rip Van Winkle story, according to the Wiki, is just one of many such folk tales. It was the only one with which I am familiar. The importance of this to me is that usually there's a little bit of truth in myth, just enough to make it believable; in this case, a guy that went out to the woods to get away from his wife. Normal enough. He meets some people and stops...again still plausible. He befriends these people and starts drinking with them; alcohol is a great socializer. He passes out and wakes up, not the next morning but 20 years later.

 

[Kieran]

I've been wondering about this missing time/abduction phenomenon for quite a while, and recent shows have brought it back into the front of my mind. I got to wondering about the folktale/fairy tale of Rip Van Winkle.

Though it is possible that he went out into the wilds for 20 years, according to the story he had no recollection of the passage of time-in his mind he went out, got drunk, passed out and woke up 20 years later.

The time lapse would be somewhat consistent with a sequence involving FTL travel. I'm not saying that's what happened, or even that the story has any factual basis whatsoever.

Just something to think about. Anybody else know of any other fairytales/folktales that are consistent with anything else in this field?

I wouldn't be surprised if this particular story is based on a legend? Maybe it is factual and Rip was a real man?

The Rip van Winkle story is a legend that originated from the Hudson valley Area of New York. The headless Horseman( sleepy hollow legend) another example. The Phantom Island another tale that came from New York. There is more but too many to list.

Now if have you ever read anything about the Hudson valley UFO of the 1980's. Then you would understand the importance of these legends. People have been claiming for years that they have seen Ghosts, weird apparitions, odd Phenomenon (weird cats and weird animals) and UFO's. These people live in the Hudson valley and surrounding areas of New York.

Tolkien ( The man who wrote "Lord of the Rings" he Studied European Mythology) He probably got inspiration from reading the many legends and myths there is of little people and fairies. Is there truth
Hans christen Anderson i wouldn't rule it out his borrowed ideas from what he read as a boy. Anyway to answer your last line of your post.

There is an Irish tale similar to that. This is only one Irish legend out of hundreds that there is. Hope you like it?
http://www.aoh61.com/tir_na_nog/tirnanog_legend.htm

 

[Experiencer7]

My first and only starring role was in an elementary school play., in which I portrayed "Rip". This became one of many strange coincidences in later years.

 

[paraschtick]

My first and only starring role was in an elementary school play., in which I portrayed "Rip". This became one of many strange coincidences in later years.

Its not at all well known that my actual middle name is "Van Winkle" ... and another thread comes to a grinding halt courtesy of the parashtick.

Umm ... didn't Jacques Vallee write about this kind of thing already??? Alluding to old folklore and ancient myths being similar to abduction scenario etc ???

[I've only read a couple of his wonderful books so far ... so am not familiar with everything he has written ... so far ]