Roswell Crash July, 1947

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"For Most Strict Quarantine of the Saucer and the Bodies Parts -Gen. Ramey -from Saucer Treat -Threats-Area and Screen For C-Y-T-Q-Steps Are (Japs 34 - Blowfish -Biological Threats at that time from (USSR-Soviets and Communist China ) and not surprised due to not long after W.W.2 fears due to Atomic Bombs) -REUNITE BODIES -Rigs Follow that strapping Air Dome US Army-Gen. Xon-Body-Gen. Ramey- and Treat -Wreckage -Invaders ( Don and Tom book Witness to Roswell 2007 must read to refresh those to whats going on today and scholar Len Springfield section ! Also the bodies were 30.4 pounds -Secure Tarp-Flying Saucer -Following Sides Only Tarps-Mirror -"503-305" Area and Store Freeze Bodies -Wreckage -Air -Land -After Crash' Trucks .....Crates -Keep Stalling- .(BF,019/08/2020). Next Section-LT Kramer (critical element which Don and Toms and Randles books have touched on!)-U.S.Army "Shut People Up" -Take Brazel -Is -Pardon- News Story Air Balloon"!!! Never was 'Project Mogul as the following section-Sides-Maneuver -Trucks. Next Section-LT Kramer (critical element which Don and Toms and Randles books have touched on!)-U.S.Army "Shut People Up" -Take Brazel -Is -Pardon- News Story Air Balloon"!!! Never was 'Project Mogul as the following section-Sides-Maneuver -Trucks.-Air-Radar-Take -Keys-For -Maneuvers-Account No-....46 Also matches Don & Toms interview with Whitney (who telling the truth of his events) -Stop-Treat -All-......The -Same-Stop.

Lots of Trucks (Lorries) & Rigs for Air Balloon ).

All Trucks had specialized equipment on as to prevent some thing or it coming to collect their lost property !


Also re-writing my early post which was screen grabbed by some nutters-the information is what is written on the 1947 Memo and another element which reads "SIDES RADARS " Having two diaries and other information this was not "Project Mogul or a Air Balloon" rather a "Crashed Saucer" the doors are opening and too many U.S. Veterans and their families were put through the mill over this is shameful.
Also who had the ear of the U.S. President on Nuclear Capabilities during the Cold War Years , so the debunkers are full of crap. Report matches the early document released which Col Corso had stated in his interview and now in the above information is spot on as more has been deciphered which matches Lt.Col (Dr.) Randle, Tom and Don's excellent work which many have tried to de-bunk and even ridicule. Stan was spot on when he said there is a "Cosmic Watergate-Coverup" and needs to revealed of the historical documents which have not been destroyed . On the Tic Tac which some bloggers are out to ridicule those brave U.S. Pilots and attack them with some outlandish bullshit hey Mr West...! Dr. Micio Kaku as been spot and he let slip of the bigger picture during one of his excellent lectures.







For Stan.

 

[Trajanus]

….the information is what is written on the 1947 Memo

Interesting but I'd take it with a grain of salt.

Having two diaries…

Whose diaries?

this was not "Project Mogul or a Air Balloon" rather a "Crashed Saucer" the doors are opening…

Agreed about what fell at Roswell but according to KDR's latest tome on the subject, he wouldn't say the doors are opening on that case.

... Col Corso...

I'd take him with a grain of salt too.

 

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Well it was not a NAZI space ship and disagree with your findings.

Destination: Moon

www.esa.int

 

[Trajanus]

Well it was not a NAZI space ship and disagree with your findings.

That vid is out of date as a Chinese lander came down on the far side of the moon.
Of course it wasn't a nazi spaceship--an oxymoron as the nazi era was before the space age.

 

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Yes the vid is old but point is "if" a more advance technology was in play and Roswell first eyewitness suggest so why all the coverup as the 1947 Memo indicates ? Now de-bunkers tend to discount eyewitness accounts and even documents especially when sitting in there basement . While you suggest take many of your comments with 'a pinch of salt' typical debunker seeking more information for your book or something else do you own work. The 1947 Roswell Memo is held by a U.S. Army Officer and the Intelligence Officer who was a first hand eyewitness and not a civilian such as Brazell. Secondly, all the constant argie bargy from the authorities who have given two bullshit stories since the historical event (is key to a element of U.A.P.-U.F.O whatever it is? ) should be a concern for all. Thirdly, Don and Tom have done the hard legwork read there book and listen to there interviews and listen to eyewitness and body language of the eyewitness interviews -the 1947 Memo is a key as it was part of the Roswell Coverup that resulted in two bullshit stories and left out details and do own investigation on it.

Also would not surprised other nations had other events near Army Bases and the Nuclear Storage Areas? You don't have your ordnance hundreds miles away from your U.S. Bombers especially when they were on 24 Hours notice. Also get off your bum and speak to old Veterans and eyewitness without pre-biast perceptions.

In the first image it doesn't match what Major Jesse Marcel is holding the foil is different as stated in the Memo "Change- Story- Air -Balloon" and the fact his signalling to the audience in body posture ! Also if you look closely the size of the Project Mogul does not match Military eyewitness testimonies who broke their code of silence and these soldiers and airman of the U.S. Army were trained in aircraft spotting procedures color , size and the foil . Also why state Dummies where they provide a example with a Air Force Pilot (One) where's eyewitness accounts more than one body? Another is the Official disclaimer by the U.S.A.F shows in the video Gov. Roswell 21 on youtube (the chap with no name tag -regarding Project Mogul who is standing next to the Officer giving the Official version and classic body language trying not to laugh -Ridicule factor) -and in the footage on youtube the Air Force doesn't put the Project Mogul back in "Crates" its put on a press /roller machine and into a large bag on a truck. Finally, the logistics don't match the Military eyewitness accounts of "Convoy's" where in the US. Air-force its three vehicles-Crane-Truck and One rig .

Another major clue is the amount of call up Barracks-'Mustering ' in the area. Also another which in the Memo. In addition, Don and Toms book 'Witness To Roswell : Unmasking The 60-Year Coverup' (2007) has plenty of eyewitness accounts done by hard legwork not sitting behind a desk being paid as a debunker teams. Hope it helps your research. Another is the event on the 28th-07-1947.

Furthermore, having been around a emergency on military bases there is a different between a training session than a major event. Another is the amount of aircraft on stand by and armed to the teeth (red flag events) and the amount of flights. In addition, having the whole area restricted for that amount of time for a Project Mogul is just b.s. as the military eyewitness have suggested.


Another is how after the 1947 National Security Act came into play and the document that Researcher Timothy Good's book 'Above Top Secret '(2006) states

" The retyped USAF Office of Special Investigation ' document describing analysis of the film taken near Kirtland AFB in 1980. Note reference to NASA (which should be NSA) Project Aquaris , and MJ.12' p.528."

Next is the "individual no name tag and referring to the Number One book on the U.A.P-U.F.O ongoing coverup is
Lawrence Fawcett & Barry J. Greenwood book (with references)

'THE UFO COVERUP (1984)

"Impersonations of Air Force Officers' and eyewitness accounts of individuals no name tags turning up after U.A.P sightings or so called contact of whatever it is -M.I.B as some have suggested.

Another link is the fact Lt.Tim McMillan excellent interview with New York Post and finding in the 1947 Roswell Memo "A.R.Q" then next section is matching the eyewitness accounts and elements of Lt. McMillian of items found ........................which I have deciphered from the 1947 Roswell Memo and it matches eye witness accounts by the military and civilians of Police Officers daughters not the Cover X 2. Patterns are too matching to be just coincident the files are there! Nearly the full 1947 Roswell Memo that is critical blows away the de-bunkers who constantly attacked the Roswell researchers and the families of military eyewitness

For Stan and absent friends who spent there lives seeking answers are we alone whatever the 10% is ? Next Section : is very revealing and matches Longtime U.A.P Researchers Don, Tom and Kevin who were spot on.

Also Stanton was correct on very important element of the Roswell Case of 1947 and there were three crashes (first was with a Weather Balloon impact ) and the second two were not.

Also eyewitness who stated they split up the evidence as Stanton suggested which is normal when proceeding when doing a investigation.

USING THE TERM 'RABBLE ' WHEN TALKING ABOUT U.S. VETERANS AND THEIR FAMILIES IS TYPICAL POOR FORM'

"LT Kramer U.S Army stop -shut people up -take -Brazel -stop-is-pardon-stop-trucks-crates.......on-U.S.-Piority-Flight-Escort -503-305 - A.R.Q.................stop-keep -stalling-news-papers -stop-and-change-story-air-balloon-stop-threats-steps-put-tarp-canopy-rigs-sides-Maneuver -Trucks.-Air-Radar-Take -for -Maneuvers-Account No-....46 take STARS- (Top Brass) Gen.Ramey-Gen.Xon-stop-to-see-bodies-under-tarp-with-saucer-(eyewitness stated diamond markings and matches Bentwater of some symbols)-treat -wreckage-with-care-stop-invaders-........................ -then-secure -tarp -U.S.Army-stop- Crash -Land-flying -saucer -stop-Air-Dome-Freeze-Bodies-stop -RE-UNITED .

That's as much as could gather still looking at other data from the memo and Ibeam (transcribed which I found a similar match to ancient text which was before all the core religious faiths that would be more aliened to Aboriginal Texts which is the old linked culture and Egyptian texts (with a link as two individuals were able to get access during the 1840's) . The Ibeam correlates with our Solar System is one clue which was discussed by top scientist at a meeting and the individual has numerous Science Awards and his French counter part believed (Scientist ) they are numerous - was owner of a large map making company which did work for the U.S Government prior and during the American Civil War. Furthermore, developed the Gold Mining Maps around the World and military contracts in developments. Moreover , the destruction of the sacred CAVE over 60,000 years old was horrid and must call it out) is mentioned and most important one of all is the 1947 Roswell Memo states "CREATURES" as Military eyewitness accounts and deathbed testimonies. Quoting from Jim Marrs book 'Alien Agenda : Investigating The Extraterrestrial Presence Among Us' (1997)

"On the other hand , consider these "additional witnesses " drawn from well-documented book 'The Truth About The UFO Crash at Roswell by researchers Randle and Schmitt : "Whose sister , Mary worked as Secretary to the base hospital Administrator , told researchers he would never forget the day in July 1947 that came home and told him she seen a creature from another World.141"

Where they are from who knows but clues giver a little bit of the puzzle and the TIC TAC was not the first Roswell was. Just been doing some background research on elements of the ROSWELL CASE and comparing with historical document not online either . 1. Nick book came close to the outcome not Japanese and was used as a "FAKE" story by those on the ground rather it was NORTH KOREAN as the cover story. 2. Professor Stan who was shouted down about his thoughts on Majestic were wrong and he was spot on about the documents he recommend being credible. Furthermore, a number of Majestic IKE - ......) attended the crash site and the three long time researchers Don, Tom and Kevin were spot on going on the historical document of 1947 Memo-Telegram. Also tribute to Crockatt and all the White Hats . There were three events and also on one of the Majestic documents it matches the 1947 Telegram. As most know on this website we never been alone and look to the stars. More coming!

 

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The UFO COVERUP is real and it scares the top brass who fear a shit storm coming . The fact removal of true story date from websites just confirmed the UFO Cover-Up by military complex. The excellent book by Larry Fawcett & Barry J. Greenwood : THE UFO COVER-UP (1984) at least the Paracast does not Censorship the historical data and " MC" "Police -Stopping-Brazel-to-Prison-Steps-Sarg-Hault-"RABBLE -(ADMIRAL NAVY LINKhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Halsey_Jr.#Postwar_years ) HALSEY-INTEL-BEAMES (MORE THAN ONE )- For -Party -U.S. IKE (Dwight D. Eisenhower | Miller Center )--Mengel -Messier, M.P.s U.S.-R-R-4-I.N. (CRYPTO AND JR -JOHN SHOULD BE ABLE TO CHASE DOWN THE HISTORICAL RECORDS)-Stalling-FOR -515F4-US ARMY-A.R.Q-........STORES-TREAT-US ARMY-.........STALLING-SAUCER-56273-725R-"CREATURES "-THEN -FREEZE BODIES -SHIP-AIR -LAND-3-WRECKAGE- 7-1947'

The members of the M-J came in play in 1947 at the same time the National Security Act was passed and some of the following members were
Menzel
Halsey
IKE
Truman
..
All favored Democratic Politics on M.J. and they seek to remove U.S. Gen, Mc Arthur which the New York Times article "Truman Wrote of 48 Offer to Eisenhower , July 11, 2003'

Q" IKE and I think MaC Arthur expects to make a Roman triumphal return to the U.S . a short time before the Republican Convention meets in Philadelphia, " says the relevant entry,, dated July 21, 1947.1."

It time the UFO Coverup ended. Being non-political (all the rage) best way to hide it to be pro-release but never give the people what they want string them along. Researcher Grant Cameron on the great work on Presidents and UFO COVERUP matches his longtime campaign. Also politics is just a cover.

The Wreckage were flown to Washington !


The Wilson Document is just the tip of the iceberg.

 

[Trajanus]

The UFO COVERUP is real and it scares the top brass who fear a shit storm coming .

Right and not just "the top brass." The book with the most realistic view of Roswell and the phenomenon generally, which sees through all the disinformation surrounding both, can be seen at The Alien Grand Design: Donovan, Tim: 9781952269868: Amazon.com: Books

The fact removal of true story date from websites just confirmed the UFO Cover-Up by military complex. The excellent book by Larry Fawcett & Barry J. Greenwood : THE UFO COVER-UP (1984)

That predated a lot of Roswell research.

The members of the M-J came in play in 1947 at the same time the National Security Act was passed and some of the following members were
Menzel
Halsey
IKE
Truman

I don't recall Halsey or Truman ever listed as members though Bronk, Vandenberg and others were. Menzel was a debunker, and hardly seems like a real member. In any event the existence of MJ12 is doubted, though there must've seen some such group.
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It time the UFO Coverup ended.

According to that book, the coverup, already seven decades old, will go on until at least 2050, maybe to 2100.

Being non-political (all the rage) best way to hide it to be pro-release but never give the people what they want string them along.

Sure there have been claims of imminent disclosure at least as far back as '73.

The Wreckage were flown to Washington !

Not Wright Patterson?

 

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Right and not just "the top brass." The book with the most realistic view of Roswell and the phenomenon generally, which sees through all the disinformation surrounding both, can be seen at The Alien Grand Design: Donovan, Tim: 9781952269868: Amazon.com: Books

There plenty of books written on Roswell and I look it up. Although, already seen plenty of information and disinformation on the subject of Roswell including the so "Alien Autopsy" that hooked experience UFO researchers . No one is safe from disinformation today or historical.

That predated a lot of Roswell research.



I don't recall Halsey or Truman ever listed as members though Bronk, Vandenberg and others were. Menzel was a debunker, and hardly seems like a real member. In any event the existence of MJ12 is doubted, though there must've seen some such group. Also Truman was a WW1 National Guard Field Artillery Veteran (Must watch Dr. Kevin Randle MUFON lecture 5 years ago on YOUTUBE as you know many don't live in the USA which he drops a good clue and then watch excellent YOUTUBE lecture from The Institute of World Politics on The Foundation of the CIA : Harry Truman (First Director of the CIA-Also US Attache and very good friends with Admiral FISHER ) Missouri Gang and the Origins of the Cold War' He fits the M.O .for MJ 12 .


Well they are in the Roswell Memo that should find interesting (if you understand it).
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If Stanton thought so that pretty good enough for me and he did the legwork and assessment on the most likely credible sections.
Did you asked Menzel yourself? Well going on history would not be surprised . Matching the data is key and verifying its has copies in historical departments.

According to that book, the coverup already seven decades old will go on until at lest 2050, maybe to 2100.
You most probably correct but hey who knows .



Sure there have been claims of imminent disclosure at least as far back as '73.

Yes indeed and debunkers have said UFO 's -UAPs are not real since 1950.s and even today.

Not Wright Patterson?

Well you have wait and see,

(Also on a side note talking about a great Sci-Fi Film this type of scenario
Imagine your being buzzed by these unknown threats at your defense instillation , fighter pilots , submarines and surface ships . Then one day a plan is drawn in up in Washington by using human "geany pigs " as bait to knock down this little blighters you send up a weather balloon and wait for the bait to be taken all the time you have it on the radar systems. When the unknown decide to take the bait you fire early version of a electrical E.M.P . Great Sc-Fi Film BF.

 

[Trajanus]

Well you have wait and see,

And it seems we have a long wait, probably too long for our lifetimes. Btw the aforementioned work opines that even the most renowned and trusted UFOlogists, like Friedman, Randle, Keyhoe and many others, were really doing the government's bidding. They professed to be in opposition to government policy when in fact they were helping to further it. I really wish more people would read THE ALIEN GRAND DESIGN. It's as controversial as a book can be, but that's only to be expected if it's the real truth. I very much doubt the coverup would've gone on so long if the truth were easy to stomach...The Alien Grand Design: Donovan, Tim: 9781952269868: Amazon.com: Books

 

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And it seems we have a long wait, probably too long for our lifetimes. Btw the aforementioned work opines that even the most renowned and trusted UFOlogists, like Friedman, Randle, Keyhoe and many others, were really doing the government's bidding. They professed to be in opposition to government policy when in fact they were helping to further it. I really wish more people would read THE ALIEN GRAND DESIGN. It's as controversial as a book can be, but that's only to be expected if it's the real truth. I very much doubt the coverup would've gone on so long if the truth were easy to stomach...The Alien Grand Design: Donovan, Tim: 9781952269868: Amazon.com: Books

Yes and agree folks should always think out of the box. Also I am very caution in reading books with no references as golden rule as you can fact check the evidence . That's why I like Don, Toms, and Dr.Kevin Randle which I bought most to compared notes on the evidence these chaps have spent years chasing down. Also use Author Timothy Goods early work which has references in Above Top Secret (2006) and even reference books can have errors from eyewitness too. When someone says to me I have lots of source it raises red flags and many folks in this field have been feed horseshit in the past by people trying to misdirect or fake as seen in the 'Alien Autopsy ' film . I have not bothered watching it rather listen to experts with years of experience in this field who warned of it being bulldust. So I check the book out you suggest.

 

[Farlig Gulstein]

I really wish more people would read THE ALIEN GRAND DESIGN.

Would you know anything about Tim Donovan the author?

I am not able to find much other than an earlier similar book.

Thanks.

 

[Trajanus]

Yes and agree folks should always think out of the box.

But not so far out they fly in the face of rationality and established scientific fact.

That's why I like Don, Toms, and Dr.Kevin Randle...

I dunno if they're entirely trustworthy.…THE ALIEN GRAND DESIGN made some interesting points in regard to the better known UFOlogists.

Also use Author Timothy Goods early work which has references in Above Top Secret (2006)

That book is older c 1988 I believe.

... and many folks in this field have been feed horseshit in the past by people trying to misdirect or fake as seen in the 'Alien Autopsy ' film .

In fact the book states that misinformation is almost ubiquitous in the field. But we can learn even from that by divining its purpose.

 

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The members of the M-J came in play in 1947 at the same time the National Security Act was passed and some of the following members were
Menzel
Halsey
IKE
Truman
..
All favored Democratic Politics on M.J. and they seek to remove U.S. Gen, Mc Arthur which the New York Times article "Truman Wrote of 48 Offer to Eisenhower , July 11, 2003'

Q" IKE and I think MaC Arthur expects to make a Roman triumphal return to the U.S . a short time before the Republican Convention meets in Philadelphia, " says the relevant entry,, dated July 21, 1947.1."

It time the UFO Coverup ended. Being non-political (all the rage) best way to hide it to be pro-release but never give the people what they want string them along. Researcher Grant Cameron on the great work on Presidents and UFO COVERUP matches his longtime campaign. Also politics is just a cover.

The Wreckage were flown to Washington !


The Wilson Document is just the tip of the iceberg whatever it is.

Another section -"Fort-West-T-48-T4-1943-A.R.Q-MARCEL-702-(we all should be able to read it and states on side of Memo-1274 COPY-and -section -F1354-MAGIC 12-MAGIC 13- If the 1947 Memo is credible and that means two sections of MAGIC were present at the crashes.

 

[Trajanus]

The members of the M-J came in play in 1947 at the same time the National Security Act was passed and some of the following members were
Menzel
Halsey
IKE
Truman

Source? Menzel is listed but I'd take that with a grain of salt; he was a debunker. I don't recall Halsey in the alleged group.

It time the UFO Coverup ended.

Don't hold your breath waiting...

Another section -"Fort-West-T-48-T4-1943-A.R.Q-MARCEL-702-(we all should be able to read it and states on side of Memo-1274 COPY-and -section -F1354-MAGIC 12-MAGIC 13- If the 1947 Memo is credible and that means two sections of MAGIC were present at the crashes.

MAGIC already existed in the immediate aftermath of the crash? The memo is like so much else in the field--interesting but subject to interpretation hence not conclusive. It would be great if there was a thread on The Alien Grand Design.

 

[Farlig Gulstein]

It would be great if there was a thread on The Alien Grand Design.

Maybe haveTim Donovan interviewed about The Alien Grand Design on The Paracast.

 

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Source? Menzel is listed but I'd take that with a grain of salt; he was a debunker. I don't recall Halsey in the alleged group.



Don't hold your breath waiting...



MAGIC already existed in the immediate aftermath of the crash? The memo is like so much else in the field--interesting but subject to interpretation hence not conclusive. It would be great if there was a thread on The Alien Grand Design.

The members of the M-J came in play in 1947 at the same time the National Security Act was passed and some of the following members were
Menzel
Halsey
IKE
Truman
..
All favored Democratic Politics on M.J. and they seek to remove U.S. Gen, Mc Arthur which the New York Times article "Truman Wrote of 48 Offer to Eisenhower , July 11, 2003'

Q" IKE and I think MaC Arthur expects to make a Roman triumphal return to the U.S . a short time before the Republican Convention meets in Philadelphia, " says the relevant entry,, dated July 21, 1947.1."

It time the UFO Coverup ended. Being non-political (all the rage) best way to hide it to be pro-release but never give the people what they want string them along. Researcher Grant Cameron on the great work on Presidents and UFO COVERUP matches his longtime campaign. Also politics is just a cover.

The Wreckage were flown to Washington !


The Wilson Document is just the tip of the iceberg whatever it is.

Another section -"Fort-West-T-48-T4-1943-A.R.Q-MARCEL-702-(we all should be able to read it and states on side of Memo-1274 COPY-and -section -F1354-MAGIC 12-MAGIC 13- If the 1947 Memo is credible and that means two sections of MAGIC were present at the crashes.

Ok. Now your trolling man or pissing in wind. Setup your own thread! Also just look at the book out starts with anti-christ sounds to far right crap . Stick reference thanks.

 

[Trajanus]

Also just look at the book out starts with anti-christ sounds to far right crap . Stick reference thanks.

It's not the first to say disclosure could adversely affect current beliefs, and that's a key reason for the coverup.

 

[Trajanus]

Maybe haveTim Donovan interviewed about The Alien Grand Design on The Paracast.

It may be best to first become acquaintanted with his ideas.

 

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Folks have been chasing the wrong person who fiddled with the M.J.12 Documents and not Richard Doty. Someone else who been working to deflect the whole community since the 1990's. Wonder if they or two will come forward admit they muddy the Majestic Files ? and apologize to Richard Doty? They also tired to fool Stan and others including Gene and Chris. The Twining Memo is credible and also gotten feedback on the Memo 1947 which is on the right track. Also M.J.12 officially is 12 Magic .

 

[Trajanus]

…. and apologize to Richard Doty?….

I don't think he has much credibility.