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Scientists say dolphins should be treated as 'non-human persons'

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Check out a movie called The Cove. It is about dolphins.

I want to see this, but I don't know of I should. I tend to get a bit emotional about this subject. Have you seen the movie? Does it give any glimmer of hope that attitudes are changing in Japan on this?
Thanks
 
I want to see this, but I don't know of I should. I tend to get a bit emotional about this subject. Have you seen the movie? Does it give any glimmer of hope that attitudes are changing in Japan on this?
Thanks

I am not very prone to crying. I do not even cry at funerals. This movie made me cry. Then it made me very pissed off. Yes it does give hope at the end.
If you care about dolphins (or all cetaceans) watch this movie. I bought the HD version on iTunes via my AppleTV.
 
Check out a movie called The Cove. It is about dolphins.

Here is a link to the movie website.

The Cove Movie: Welcome

I believe I saw a story on this on either the History Channel or Discovery Channel a while back. Truly awful.

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End Dolphin Slaughter in Japan - The Petition Site

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I want to see this, but I don't know of I should. I tend to get a bit emotional about this subject. Have you seen the movie? Does it give any glimmer of hope that attitudes are changing in Japan on this?
Thanks

I found this. Japan is not the only problem. This movie is not for the squeamish.

 
A followup to David's dolphin video in the Paracast TV section.

Scientists say dolphins should be treated as 'non-human persons' - Times Online

The more we learn about our natural world, and it's inhabitants, the easier it is to see that we know almost nothing about ourselves. There was another thread posted about the intelligence of dogs which demonstrates this is so. Remember it wasn't so long ago that "scientists" were performing live vivisection claiming that animals didn't experience pain.

We may have come a long way from that particular thought pattern, but we're nowhere near where we could be.
 
Oh, man...

We are a brutal, senseless species so much of the time, it makes me sick.

And folks wonder if we're "ready for disclosure"... we're petulant, violent children, barely capable of calling ourselves "civilized".

Sickening. Ugh.

dB
 
There was another thread posted about the intelligence of dogs which demonstrates this is so.

I seem to remember a professor I had in college commenting on the idea that if dolphins had hands or some other body appendage that could manipulate things in their environment they may have evolved to become a second technological species on earth.
 
I seem to remember a professor I had in college commenting on the idea that if dolphins had hands or some other body appendage that could manipulate things in their environment they may have evolved to become a second technological species on earth.

Or possibly the first.
 
Here is a link to the movie website.

The Cove Movie: Welcome

I believe I saw a story on this on either the History Channel or Discovery Channel a while back. Truly awful.

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End Dolphin Slaughter in Japan - The Petition Site

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I found this. Japan is not the only problem. This movie is not for the squeamish.


Thanks for letting us know about this. I really can't write what I am thinking right now.
 
I have raised the subject of dolphins as an intelligent species with self-reflective awareness in the on-going thread elsewhere on the forums in a debate on whether ET life would look like us humans, that is, generally humanoid. Such a concept for me seems somewhat arrogant, as does the assumption that technology = intelligence. As I have said before, we humans think of God in our image, and we seem to be doing the same with possible ETs.

S. Saladin
Pisa, Italy
 
anyone ever the episode of the simpsons when the dolphins get sick of the inhabitants of sprinfield and start massacring them all . It may take 1000 years or 10000 years or even 100000 years of evolution , but if the dolphins ever become a tool using race , we all better stack up on some ammuniton and guns because they'll have a bone to pick with us . xD
 
first off let me say that I was raised as a vegetarian. I now eat meat, infact i believe that "man" is supposed to eat meat.
I try my utmost to only eat "ethically" farmed meat, but I do not disregard the fact that an animal was killed.
I live in a big city (London) and dont have space for livestock but if I did I would willingly slaughter my own animals to eat. I would also Hunt, kill and eat "wild animals"(not endangered or rare ones).

I think one of the biggest problems with our(western) society is the passing of the "responsibility" for killing, to others for example "slaughtermen" or "soldiers". People are happy to sit at home while people are dying for their "freedom" (Afghanistan, Iraq and many more places). The same people expect the supermarkets to be full of "cheep" meat and fish with little or no idea of the waste involved. In other words they dont think about it because they dont have to.

In my eyes all creatures "humans" included are equal and there is something wrong in placing higher importance on the "romantic" ones.
Dolphins in my eyes are no more "important" than Sharks, a cow is not better than a horse just different.

It seems more than hipocratic to say for example that "clubbing" seal pups is barbaric, and then say that farming livestock is ok. but sadly many believe this to be the case.

Nature is harsh and unforgiving when viewed from a privalaged position. most people do not understand that we are the only "truly" cruel beings. for example: people do not see a bird collecting worms for its chicks as cruel, but if a fox gets in a chicken coop, it is seen as evil and cruel because it kills all of the chickens. if the chickens where not caged some would escape. in other words we caused that behaviour.

I love Fish and Angling but I will not eat fish. the wholesale pillaging of the sea is an unjustifiable crime to me and should be recognised as such*. this is to say because fish are deemed to be "ugly" or dont demonstrate behavior that we recognise as "intelligent" they have no right to be treated with respect like Dolphins do.

What I am trying to say is that rounding up a few dolphins and killing them is no worse than the "battery" farming of chickens or intensive farming of pigs, indeed the Dolphins actually experienced freedom before they were killed.

If you disagree with what I have said about the dolphins, I suggest you research modern livestock farming and slaughter practices. also remember that pigs are far more "intelligent" than dogs for example.

It is my firm belief that "animal cruelty" leads to "human cruelty" to put it another way if you are cruel to animals you can or will be cruel to people. (it is important to separate cruelty and killing for survival)

I am sorry this is such a long post but i feel very strongly about this subject. I will be happy to answer any questions or criticism on what I have said


*(if it stopped i would eat fish)
 
first off let me say that I was raised as a vegetarian. I now eat meat, infact i believe that "man" is supposed to eat meat.
I try my utmost to only eat "ethically" farmed meat, but I do not disregard the fact that an animal was killed.
I live in a big city (London) and dont have space for livestock but if I did I would willingly slaughter my own animals to eat. I would also Hunt, kill and eat "wild animals"(not endangered or rare ones).

I think one of the biggest problems with our(western) society is the passing of the "responsibility" for killing, to others for example "slaughtermen" or "soldiers". People are happy to sit at home while people are dying for their "freedom" (Afghanistan, Iraq and many more places). The same people expect the supermarkets to be full of "cheep" meat and fish with little or no idea of the waste involved. In other words they dont think about it because they dont have to.

In my eyes all creatures "humans" included are equal and there is something wrong in placing higher importance on the "romantic" ones.
Dolphins in my eyes are no more "important" than Sharks, a cow is not better than a horse just different.

It seems more than hipocratic to say for example that "clubbing" seal pups is barbaric, and then say that farming livestock is ok. but sadly many believe this to be the case.

Nature is harsh and unforgiving when viewed from a privalaged position. most people do not understand that we are the only "truly" cruel beings. for example: people do not see a bird collecting worms for its chicks as cruel, but if a fox gets in a chicken coop, it is seen as evil and cruel because it kills all of the chickens. if the chickens where not caged some would escape. in other words we caused that behaviour.

I love Fish and Angling but I will not eat fish. the wholesale pillaging of the sea is an unjustifiable crime to me and should be recognised as such*. this is to say because fish are deemed to be "ugly" or dont demonstrate behavior that we recognise as "intelligent" they have no right to be treated with respect like Dolphins do.

What I am trying to say is that rounding up a few dolphins and killing them is no worse than the "battery" farming of chickens or intensive farming of pigs, indeed the Dolphins actually experienced freedom before they were killed.

If you disagree with what I have said about the dolphins, I suggest you research modern livestock farming and slaughter practices. also remember that pigs are far more "intelligent" than dogs for example.

It is my firm belief that "animal cruelty" leads to "human cruelty" to put it another way if you are cruel to animals you can or will be cruel to people. (it is important to separate cruelty and killing for survival)

I am sorry this is such a long post but i feel very strongly about this subject. I will be happy to answer any questions or criticism on what I have said


*(if it stopped i would eat fish)
Agree maybe treat our politican as non human
 
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