why this show became a favourite for me: i had a minor personal revelation around the inability for us to get our nuts and bolts straight because we can't come to understand why even that question is a still a problem. perhaps trying to physically erect the smooth saucer is not the point at all?
(i know ufology will set me straight on that one, but then i think that promoting magic and irrationalism might help us to gain a little more traction both in life and in understanding UFO's. after all, isn't materialism just something for people who believe in giant BMW SUV's?)
i really enjoyed hearing what @
mike sounded like. perhaps i missed it revealed elsewhere in the forums, but i always took your unbridled enthusiasm and plethora of diverse knowledges and pursuits to be the product of an ultra vital younger person in their late 30's, or early 40's, not retired and enjoying the luxuries of getting to do whatever you want to do - good for you. it all makes sense. loved hearing about your house and wildlife collection, not to mention all the models -it sounds pleasantly surreal. i really enjoyed getting to hear you, your accent, and Goggs - such a great plurality of voices. BTW when will we have a female Paracast forum poster on the show? as @
nameless pointed out above, shows that respect listeners and open up the discussion to interact with their audience on this level are simply wildly excellent!
but this is what rocked me:
a transcript from the closing sequence by @
Christopher O'Brien on Survival and Propagation
"We may be just part of a sequence of events that somehow is being propelled by these basic instincts. To me i think that there is a possibility that on some level we may be supplying ourselves with the impetus to jumpstart this particular survival mechanism. and, you know, where the ending is where the beginning was, is totally open for discussion and interpretation. but i think a lot of this is slight of hand by the collective to fool ourselves into making sure that we do the right thing."
it reminded me of the moment that i understood how ouija boards worked amongst people on planchettes, especially my own experiences of guilt and conscience in what we talked to the dead about, or how radical table tipping with just fingertips can create paranormal experiences out of real physical manifestations by those participating in the event. they remain completely ignorant to the fact that they are the ones responsible for tipping the table and we also move the planchette.
We do it together, blindly.
Jerome Clark says we don't have a language or a vocabulary to speak about these things whose moments of documented radar contact and trace evidence are few and fleeting. Maybe we should start with the language of the trickster; because, that is one we know, and it parallels the phenomenon a lot more accurately than any of our rationalism has ever helped us to understand.
his closing talk led me to this article and it made more sense to me than most of what i've heard from in ufology in a long time - perhaps i'm reading the wrong material? it also illuminated that repeated theme that shows up around here on the forum a lot about how those who investigate UFO's too deeply are also likely to destabilize.
For Hansen, the trickster is the pre-eminent embodiment of all the paranormal, preternatural and anti-structural forces that the rationalisation process is attempting to stamp out. Hansen offers words of warning: “When the supernatural and irrational are banished from consciousness, they are not destroyed, rather they become exceedingly dangerous.” He also has words of caution for UFO and paranormal researchers who might be frivolously tempted to tangle with the trickster and his domain, warning of personal destabilisation, a loss of critical judgement, wrecked careers, ruined marriages and general “trickster-induced irrationality”. Ouch!
Tangling With the Trickster: Myth, Magic and the UFO. David Perkins | MAGONIA
good to hear you Mike and hope to be on a round table with you some time.
