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September 20, 2015 — Rosemary Ellen Guiley

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So Rosemary says we all have psychic powers of one sort or another, and the discussion took fascinating twists and turns.

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I am an open-minded skeptic but I think there's very little proof as far as telepathy, precognition, etc.
I really like Rosemary she seems cool but I don't come to the conclusion that this is neccesarily extra sensory experience. I believe in imagination and empathy but the paranormal-ey stuff I'm less sure of.
The study where succesful entrepreneurs by Dean in the 1960s doesn't seem like a strong example yo me-if he also interviewed the much larger population of unsuccessful people, how many of them would have said that they: relied on their gut/flew by the seats of their pants?
I'm not saying that the Psychic theory is wrong; it's just one possibility among several:p
 
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It's my role as the doubter:rolleyes:
 
Awesome show, I would really like to see someone attempt the psychic demonstration Chris was talking about. The scrying and Tarot stuff was really interesting. I'm interested in all of this spooky stuff. I'm just agnostic, not saying it's BS:p
 
I find it a bit troubling that Chris puts so much stock in his experiences under the influence of hallucinogens, only because it further muddies the waters of subjects that should be examined as objectively as possible. Of course, the other side of the coin, is perhaps these subjects can’t be validated purely through objective means, to which I wouldn’t try to argue. This could certainly be the case, but memories and experiences are subjective enough without complicating them by adding hallucinogenic substances into the mix. The result is, I end up wondering what experiences were made under what circumstances, and in the end it leads me to be more skeptical about anything everything.

That’s what most of this comes down to, is simply being able to make a judgement on the character of the person reporting the experience, because so little tangible evidence is ever available. I guess what I find frustrating is that in Chris’s case we have a highly credible person talking about extraordinary experiences--which I’m quite certain he experienced--but may not have actually occurred in any sense of objective reality. This is one of the reasons I’ve found Biedny’s claims so intriguing. If nothing else, he is an incredibly lucid individual.

As far as the rest of the show, I thought Rosemary’s view of psychical ability as a form of intuition was interesting. I found it intriguing that the man she described who had dreams informing him when to sell certain stocks, was also then able to justify it to his colleagues. The fact that he was able to justify the choices suggests it’s entirely possible he was simply receiving incites from his subconscious of which he was already aware; many similar accounts can be found in Freud’s Interpretation of Dreams and various other author’s before and after him; but I don’t think that necessarily separates such experiences from some sort of psychical manifestation either. Some of her other literal interpretations, which I would interpret as highly symbolic allegories (such as Sampson’s hair), I was less impressed with.
 
I find it a bit troubling that Chris puts so much stock in his experiences under the influence of hallucinogens, only because it further muddies the waters of subjects that should be examined as objectively as possible...
There's a difference between 'bad' and "so earth shatteringly horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible images burned into their tiny little minds'.

I could be wrong but I am almost 100% positive that your opinion of plant-teacher psychoactives is the latter.
 
There's a difference between 'bad' and "so earth shatteringly horrible it makes the angels scream in terror as they violently rip their heads off, their blood spraying into the faces of a thousand sweet innocent horrified children, who will forever have the terrible images burned into their tiny little minds'.

I could be wrong but I am almost 100% positive that your opinion of plant-teacher psychoactives is the latter.

Far from it, but if you were looking for an objective report of events, it would make more sense to ask the guy who hadn't just kicked back a few drinks. Our memories and observations are faulty enough without worsening it. That being said, if it affects no one but the person, he can take any substance he wants for whatever personal reasons he chooses; but what happens under those conditions shouldn't be measured with the same respect as a sober experience.
 
Couple of over-simplifications by Rosemary Ellen Guiley that may cause confusion.

Clairvoyance is NOT the exact same as Remote Viewing.

Clairvoyance can be spontaneous, trained, un-trained, intentional, volitional or something else. It merely describes the act of seeing (somewhat) clearly in a psychic manner, without detailing how/when/who exactly does it. It is the superset of psychic "seeing" functions. Psychic sensing (incl. clairsentience, clairhearing, etc) is an even larger superset that contains clairvoyance inside itself as one particular sub-set.

Now, Remote viewing (not just CRV, but RV in general) is a superset of specific type of RV methods (CRV, SRV, ERV, ARV, etc) and in itself a sub-set of clairvoyance.

Remote viewing (originally) attempts to derive a standard methodology or a looser set of methods around doing clairvoyance in a specific way. One could say that if the black surface scrying is taught and learnt in a specific manner, then that specific scrying method teaching/learning/doing is one specific form (or method) of doing remote viewing.

Then there is CRV or Coordinate (later Controlled) Remote Viewing, as developed by Swann, Targ, Puthoff et al in the original SRI efforts and the later DIA/CIA/other gov entity developed projects.

CRV is a specific sub-set of RV. Not all RV is CRV, but all CRV is (a subset of) RV is (a subset of) clairvoyance.

Some may think this distinction is academic and irrelevant. It is not.

If somebody trains in CRV, he is a CRV skilled person, whether originally apt in other forms of clairvoyance or not.

One does not become "good" or apt in CRV just by being naturally good at clairvoyance. This has been shown by several naturally clairvoyant people and even some naturally clairvoyant people (like McMoneagle) who have gone the length of learning CRV properly. The best of CRV viewers usually are originally clairvoyant to begin with, but only through rigorous training of CRV do they become good at CRV.

I have a few personal friends who are naturally quite apt in generic (their own form of) clairvoyance, but they suck at CRV. Yet they think the two are the one and the same. They are not and their performance clearly shows this.

Does this mean that CRV is better or more accurate than other forms of RV or more generally clairvoyance? No, of course not. It's just a specific method that aims in developing specific skill with a certain type of performance.

The whole point of developing CRV was primarily to take basic grunts off the military training, not naturally clairvoyant tarot card skilled women off the street, and train these grunts in a structure, trackable, measurable, verifiable, stage-by-stage progressing and replicable process, that would result in an increased, useful and applicable form of specific type of clairvoyance for operational target in military intelligence.

Of course the language was reinvented. Many reasons for that. First, psychic scene lingo is notoriously ambiguous, cross-referencing and hard to pin-point for accurate meanings. The language of intelligence and spying has to be accurate and understandable to the military/intelligence people. Therefore a need for a new language/wording. Also, as Rosemary well points out, it is a also a way to put distance to the general psychic scene and all the connotations that come with its lingo.

Don't get me wrong, I like Guiley, I have several of her books and I constantly learn from her and as such I appreciate her work a lot.

Yet, in this small snippet talking about RV, I think things were over-simplified to such extent (as often happens interviews) that the average listener might not understand the distinctions and why they are made.

TL;DR: CRV ⊂ RV ⊂ clairvoyance ⊂ ESP ⊂ psychic function (or PSI)
corollary: CRV ≠ RV ≠ clairvoyance ≠ ESP ≠ psychic function (or PSI)
corollary 2: being skilled in any of the supersets or subsets, does NOT automatically make one skilled in another subset
Example: even if you are good in javelin throw (subset of sports) does NOT make you good in ALL sports (superset) nor does it make you good in long jump (another subset), even if it enables you to call yourself good in sports in basic day to day speech (superset)
 
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Far from it, but if you were looking for an objective report of events, it would make more sense to ask the guy who hadn't just kicked back a few drinks. Our memories and observations are faulty enough without worsening it. That being said, if it affects no one but the person, he can take any substance he wants for whatever personal reasons he chooses; but what happens under those conditions shouldn't be measured with the same respect as a sober experience.
Instead of sniffily assuming that all my personal experiences of the high-strange occurred while I was under the influence, why don't you ask me? IMO: Not the best way to introduce yourself.
 
Instead of sniffily assuming that all my personal experiences of the high-strange occurred while I was under the influence, why don't you ask me? IMO: Not the best way to introduce yourself.

I didn't mean to offend, or imply that all (or any for that matter) of the personal experiences you've mentioned on the show were incoherently observed. On the contrary, it's events coming from people like you that keep me interested in the topic when so much of it is based on speculation. I was just using you as an example--simply because you specifically mentioned it on the show--as a commentary on the hazards of mixing personal experiences with psychoactive agents (or any inebriating substance) when it comes to objective observations. At the very least it's much easier for other's to dismiss. So I do apologize and hope that clears up my intention.

Also, I was pretty certain you weren't taking mushrooms at 6 years old :p
 
Far from it, but if you were looking for an objective report of events, it would make more sense to ask the guy who hadn't just kicked back a few drinks.
This is your problem you equate the psychoactive qualities of plant-teachers with booze. Coming from that deep of a buried head-in-sand- POV, you're so far lost down the trail of disinformation and lack of understanding, it may take eons before your right your ship.

Psylocibin = "knock back a couple". <face plant>
 
This is your problem you equate the psychoactive qualities of plant-teachers with booze. Coming from that deep of a buried head-in-sand- POV, you're so far lost down the trail of disinformation and lack of understanding, it may take eons before your right your ship.

Psylocibin = "knock back a couple". <face plant>

"Equate", no. But they both alter objective reality. If we're not in agreement on this point, I'm not sure there's anywhere else to go, as this is my only parallel between the two.
 
"Equate", no. But they both alter objective reality. If we're not in agreement on this point, I'm not sure there's anywhere else to go, as this is my only parallel between the two.
Go get yourself a few experiences with psychoactive plants, I assume you're experienced with booze, come back and compare what you have written vs. what you learn. Expect a rude awakening but, at least, you will have a fraction of credibility in this conversation.
 
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