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I have never heard about this or seen it before. I know very little about Dr. Leir. I went to his site but I don't see this mentioned. The other site looks to be in Turkish.
 
It's a damn shame that Leir got his ass all the way to Turkey and filmed the craft from the same place the original guy did.

Just imagine if he'd gone a ways up the coast and tried to film it from a closer position?

Some skeptical folk probably think Leir is just making it up and potentially talking out of his ass. I prefer to remain neutral.

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Ron Collins said:
I have never heard about this or seen it before. I know very little about Dr. Leir. I went to his site but I don't see this mentioned. The other site looks to be in Turkish.
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The story's been running for a couple of years with explanations varying from a faked 'craft' to the object being the decklights of an offshore ferry/yacht. Having seen the comparisons, the deck lights explanation is plausible...

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/Kandinsky22/turkeymyass.png
 
If its real, its shocking and disturbing. Its almost bizarre, strange, and creepy, I mean this is almost too good to be true if it is real. If it is real I am saying.

Its a bit creepy

ITS SHOCKING.
 
Kandinsky said:
It's a damn shame that Leir got his ass all the way to Turkey and filmed the craft from the same place the original guy did.

Just imagine if he'd gone a ways up the coast and tried to film it from a closer position?

Some skeptical folk probably think Leir is just making it up and potentially talking out of his ass. I prefer to remain neutral.

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The story's been running for a couple of years with explanations varying from a faked 'craft' to the object being the decklights of an offshore ferry/yacht. Having seen the comparisons, the deck lights explanation is plausible...

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/Kandinsky22/turkeymyass.png
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Just seems too good to be true.

There are some more clips here:

UFO over Istanbul Kumburgaz Turkey not a CGI ? - analysis | RealUFO's - The latest UFO Videos and News

I think the one at the top of the page is very good. Looks like they truly are filming something rather than it being a hoax. The deck lights hypothesis intrigues me but the one thing I don't like is that it appears to have a still from the UFO clip superimposed onto it. Is there an image of the deck lights without any merging being done available? For all I know what lies beneath that superimposed image might not look anything like what is in the video. Also seems a little strange that none of the rest of the boat can be seen. Not saying I'm ruling it out, it seems a possibility, just would prefer a little more.

But I do think there is a good chance that it is some type of misidentified manmade object. Anytime multiple and very similar UFO videos are filmed in the same area on different dates that makes me suspicious that a mistake is being made, that it's something manmade and on a schedule.

But it is an interesting clip.
 
Hiya Wickerman, is this any better?

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/Kandinsky22/Turkeyburgers1.png

It isn't a case that caught my imagination; the footage instantly seemed dodgy to me and I wondered why the guy wouldn't move up the coast for better perspective? Much kije this footage and it's bait context, Leir's tales have likewise seemed 'hoaxy' in my experience. That he's sought to insert himself into this saga only deepens my suspicions about his integrity.

I'd be more detailed, but I'm off work with partial blindness and it hurts!
 
Kandinsky said:
Hiya Wickerman, is this any better?

http://i1140.photobucket.com/albums/n563/Kandinsky22/Turkeyburgers1.png

It isn't a case that caught my imagination; the footage instantly seemed dodgy to me and I wondered why the guy wouldn't move up the coast for better perspective? Much kije this footage and it's bait context, Leir's tales have likewise seemed 'hoaxy' in my experience. That he's sought to insert himself into this saga only deepens my suspicions about his integrity.

I'd be more detailed, but I'm off work with partial blindness and it hurts!
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Hmm, it looks a little similar but there are some differences. But it's certainly a possibility. Not a lock but definitely a candidate. I saw this vid a while back and instantly laughed it off as a hoax. But now that there's a few of them (I hadn't known that) I'm not so sure. But it probably ain't the real thing. Seems that anytime there is a really clear vid it turns out to be a scam or misidentification.
 
I'm sorry and really have no tangible basis for this, but the "metallic craft" looks ridiculous. It reminds me of the stuff that SiriusUFO puts out (which also seems to be from Turkey a lot of times). It looks like a close up of some small object. It just looks fake plain and simple. No I'm not a photographic expert, but just look at it. You tell me they can zoom in on something this good?? It almost looks like part of a can or something.

The lights are different. I don't know what they are but they don't appear to be doing anything special. Hell it could be a building or a boat or something, I really don't know. But the metallic thing??

Then the "most important images ever taken" look like blobs. Funny how they shape them into typical greys.

Ahhhhh!! It IS SiriusUFO!!! Now I know it's a joke!! Sorry, believe what you want, but to me , it's . .... well not real at all.
 
I first saw this footage in 2008 at the Yorkshire UFO Data Conference, where it was shown by a Turkish UFO researcher (forget his name) who promoted it as the most important and authentic footage ever, etc. etc. (Stan Romanek anyone?)

Everyone I asked back then considered these films to be a hoax. A red flag is that the guys who claim to have filmed the first lot of footage then claimed to have come back to the same place several months later and - would you believe it - the same craft was there again, with the same bald-headed aliens waving out the window, and they filmed them yet again from the same angle, in darkness.

Istanbul has 12 million people, and 12 are claimed to have witnessed this spectacle. Not 12 million you understand, but 12 individuals.

Perrrr-leeeeeze. Born yesterday, Yoda was not.
 
I've seen this footage on other sites for a while now, and I really don't know much about it, so I'm not going to comment until I know more.
But let's try not to fall into the trap of, ..."If it's blurry and fuzzy, it's nothing. If it's crisp and clear, it's too good to be true." That double standard is still trotted out by the true non-beleivers.
 
TClaeys said:
I'm sorry and really have no tangible basis for this, but the "metallic craft" looks ridiculous. It reminds me of the stuff that SiriusUFO puts out (which also seems to be from Turkey a lot of times). It looks like a close up of some small object. It just looks fake plain and simple. No I'm not a photographic expert, but just look at it. You tell me they can zoom in on something this good?? It almost looks like part of a can or something.

The lights are different. I don't know what they are but they don't appear to be doing anything special. Hell it could be a building or a boat or something, I really don't know. But the metallic thing??

Then the "most important images ever taken" look like blobs. Funny how they shape them into typical greys.

Ahhhhh!! It IS SiriusUFO!!! Now I know it's a joke!! Sorry, believe what you want, but to me , it's . .... well not real at all.
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I don't know, when I look at it I get the impression that they really are zooming in on something large in the distance. It could be a boat or something else manmade I suppose. And what they think are greys could simply be people inside.

But it never fails to strike me as amusing the way we collectively find it impossible that a clear video of an alien spacecraft could ever be taken. If it's grainy and indistinct, a tiny dot in the distance, then we're willing to give it consideration. But a fairly crisp, clear image? The hell you say! It's as though deep down none of us actually believe in any of this and are really just occupying our time.

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ArchieBedford said:
I first saw this footage in 2008 at the Yorkshire UFO Data Conference, where it was shown by a Turkish UFO researcher (forget his name) who promoted it as the most important and authentic footage ever, etc. etc. (Stan Romanek anyone?)

Everyone I asked back then considered these films to be a hoax. A red flag is that the guys who claim to have filmed the first lot of footage then claimed to have come back to the same place several months later and - would you believe it - the same craft was there again, with the same bald-headed aliens waving out the window, and they filmed them yet again from the same angle, in darkness.

Istanbul has 12 million people, and 12 are claimed to have witnessed this spectacle. Not 12 million you understand, but 12 individuals.

Perrrr-leeeeeze. Born yesterday, Yoda was not.
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All the videos were taken by the same person? I was under the impression they were shot by different people. If they are all from the same person that is highly suspicious. But if it's a misidentification, perhaps a boat, rather than an outright hoax that makes sense. After all, the boat could have a schedule that frequently puts it in the same place at the same time.
 
Wickerman1972 said:
I don't know, when I look at it I get the impression that they really are zooming in on something large in the distance. It could be a boat or something else manmade I suppose. And what they think are greys could simply be people inside.

But it never fails to strike me as amusing the way we collectively find it impossible that a clear video of an alien spacecraft could ever be taken. If it's grainy and indistinct, a tiny dot in the distance, then we're willing to give it consideration. But a fairly crisp, clear image? The hell you say! It's as though deep down none of us actually believe in any of this and are really just occupying our time..
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No, .. I get it. Sometimes I'm pretty dismissive. But I've seen a lot of videos from this group and they just don't strike me as being real. It seems to me that I saw a video maybe 3 or 4 years ago that was from this same group with a very similar metallic UFO. Maybe if someone with some background in looking at video would objectively look at this and give an opinion. I certainly don't trust all the scientists and photo manipulators that are apparently saying this is the real deal. If it is the real deal and they have repeatedly captured the same type of craft over many years then why isn't someone else involved?? If this is an apparently repeatable, frequent event as the line of similar videos seems to suggest, then why don't we have more than just some guy (who is apparently a scientist) says this is not a hoax. Where are the UFO Huntesr when you actually need them?? And why do we value the the title "scientist" like it is some overarching authority on all matters UFO??

But hell you're right. What would the real deal actually look like?? I don't know but I just don't think this is it. Gut feeling,.. that's about it. There is so much crap out there I'll have to honestly confess that it all goes through multiple filters including my BS filter. And sometimes I reluctantly just plain call something crap. Admittedly for no reason other than I think it is garbage. I would love to be wrong though.
 
I've just seen this footage for the first time. I almost blew it off as being fake, until I saw the footage at dusk on the beach.


The dog is barking at it, whatever it is. Could be man-made, but it's there.

Also, the National Science and Technology Research Board of Turkey (TUBITAK) supposedly confirmed the validity of the footage. Has anyone verified this? I just found their English site,

TÃœBÄ°TAK

but searches on it come back in Turkish. Will look into this further when I have the time. I'm also going to show this to a friend of mine in the video business for his take.

A very interesting point has been made on this post. How do you verify video is authentic? Because someone says it is? Someone in authority? Because it "looks real" to you? And when you're talking about the interdimensional aspects of this phenomena, what's real? What would something from an 8th dimensional space look like to us? Would it look "fake"? Surreal? Would we be able to even see it, except under certain conditions? Questions, and more questions, with no obvious answers.

If the original footage was in fact analyzed, then it's about getting a copy of the report, and getting an accurate translation. Even then, it's heresay. The speculation continues ...

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Here's a summary of the report from TUBITAK. It's in Turkish though (break out that
Google Translate).

http://www.siriusufo.org/tr/habergoster.asp?haber_id=18

Basically says what was already reported. That it's not CGI or a hoax. (Still need accurate translation though).

The guys over at ATS have been going at it over this footage for 2 years. They're basically demonstrating what I always say. There's no way to "prove" the validity or lack thereof, unless either the hoaxers are outed, or you're there when the entities (whatever they are) land or show up (and maybe not even then).

Looks like this one's still up in the air, until "proven" otherwise :)
 
The footage at dusk of the formation lights hovering is an oil plattform, there are three right of the coast there. I remember looking this up rather interested when it first came onto the net, but I don't have the specifics anymore. The supposed 'Aliens' are guys with a safety helmet. And blinking lights flying in a straight line ? It's an Airplane. Please, someone prove me wrong.
 
dyingsun said:
The footage at dusk of the formation lights hovering is an oil plattform, there are three right of the coast there. I remember looking this up rather interested when it first came onto the net, but I don't have the specifics anymore. The supposed 'Aliens' are guys with a safety helmet. And blinking lights flying in a straight line ? It's an Airplane. Please, someone prove me wrong.
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Your dusk footage explanation is as good as any. So the dog is barking at an oil platform? Just asking.

I will say though that just because it's blinking lights flying in a straight line doesn't eliminate the possibility of them
being UFOs (whatever that is). It's not as if we have a rule book on these things(?). Not saying you're wrong, but without verification, it's just another opinion.

Here's an english translation of how TUBITAK ended up evaluating the footage, and the pre-evaluation report (Is their an actual evaluation report?):

HISTORICAL STATEMENT FROM “TUBITAK” (National Science and Technology Research Board of Turkey) “THE OBJECTS CAPTURED ON FILM IN THE KUMBURGAZ SIGHTINGS ARE UFO’S”

The UFO’s, sighted at Kumburgaz, caused great shock waves around the world and were part of the written and visual media from China to Russia and Brazil to Switzerland and will go down in the World UFO literature as one of the most significant UFO sightings. Nearly a dozen of residents at the Yeni Kent compound witnessed these sightings filmed by the night watchman named Yalcın Yalman.

First of all, the Sirius UFO Space Sciences Research Center studied the footage in great detail for ten days, and as a result of the study the Sirius UFO Space Sciences Research Center concluded that the UFO sightings were geniniue and not a hoax. On January 17, 2008 the Sirius UFO Space Sciences Research held a press conference at the Dedeman Hotel flocked by the high number of attendees. The incident was announced to the public at this press conference and the aforementioned sightings were part of the news covered in both local and foreign media, TV, and newspapers as well as Internet portals. Following these developments some parties who appeared on various TV shows, starting with Prof. Adnan Öktem from the Istanbul University Department of Astronomy Sciences, Prof. Mehmet Emin Ozel from the18 March University Department of Physics and Prof. Kerem Doksat from the Istanbul University Department of Psychiatry claimed with great prejudice that the footages taken in Kumburgaz were a hoax made up by a mockup or computer animation without having conducted an analysis or any kind of study.

Upon these developments the Sirius UFO Space Sciences Center CEO Haktan Akdogan took part in a National TV show and stated live in front of the cameras, that he would give the film to Prof. Adnan Oktem who wanted to have the original film of the sightings in order to have it studied at a Scientific Institution owned by the state that is highly reliable and influential, called “TUBITAK” The Science and Technology Research Board of Turkey. Prof. Oktem stated that he wanted the film to be analyzed at TUBITAK’s National Observatory Center in Antalya this way the truth would be revealed. Afterwards both parties decided to go to TUBITAK’s National Observatory Center in Antalya, accompanied by the host of the aforementioned TV show and the TV cameramen. When they got there, Haktan Akdogan handed over the original film to Prof. Oktem, who submitted the film for analysis to the scientists on duty at TUBITAK.

TUBITAK, as a result of the thorough analysis it conducted it prepared an official report that stated:

The objects sighted in the aforementioned footage that have a structure that is made of specific material are definitely not made up by any kind of computer animation nor are they any form of special effects used for simulation in a studio or for a video effect therefore in conclusion it was decided that the sightings were neither a mockup or hoax.

Furthermore in the last part of the report, it was concluded that these objects in the sightings that have physical and material structures do not belong in any category ( such as planes, helicopters, meteors, Venus, Mars, satellites, fire ball, Chinese lantern etc..) and but rather fall into the category of UFO’s (Unidentified Flying Objects.)

For the public’s information with our respects …

SIRIUS UFO SPACE SCIENCES RESEARCH CENTER Istanbul/ Turkey


TUBITAK National Observatory Report in English:

Subject: Image Pre-evaluation Report

Mr.Tolga Özdeniz

ATV Channel - Programme Editor

On January 31, 2008, a MiniDV format video cassette holding 35 minutes of footage was brought over to “TUBITAK” The Science and Technology Research Board of Turkey’s (a Scientific Institution owned by the state that is highly reliable and influential) National Observatory (TUG) by Mr.Tolga Ozdeniz, the Editor of “Reporter” that has been aired on ATV Channel. The footage on the cassette was said to have been recorded by a Canon GL1 MiniDV digital camera on a beach of a holiday village in Kumburgaz/Istanbul by an amateur.

The images were examined by TUG- National Observatory Image Processing Unit. Because, it would take quite a long time to analyze all of the images, only randomly selected parts were pre-examined. During this process, emphasis was not placed on images produced by optical clarification effects which a number of point light sources generated.

The examination of these frames has yielded following results:

* The images were recorded in digital NTSC format by above-mentioned camera.

* The date on the video indicates that the recordings were made during the summer of 2007.

* The footage images of the object which visibly have a certain configuration are not computer animations, special video effects or studio re-created images or models. The footage is genuine…

* The first observation made from the footage is that some of the images were recorded in nighttime sky at a certain altitude from the horizon. The footage also covers images of moon in some parts which proves that the video was shot in nighttime and open air. But, the fact that digital date display’s showing AM in certain frames and PM in others, raises suspicion about the validity of the time in which the recordings were made.

* Since in some parts, there is no other object that can be featured as a reference in the close-up frames and no observable differences were found on background examination, the actual location, distance, dimensions and nature of the objects could not have been determined.

* Through the examination of shootings of multiple dates, it’s a strong possibility that 2-3 different objects were captured. However, it’s difficult to determine whether the objects are moving or not. Their movement is slow even if they do so.

* The reflections of light on the objects are sometimes caused by moon which was in a convenient location at that time, and sometimes produced by some other sources of light…

* The light reflection from the left side of the object which is seen on August 10th shootings is not produced by the moon. At that time, the moon was in a phase that was pretty close to the “new moon” phase and located approximately at a 10 degrees proximity/angle to the horizon. Moreover, the image processing analysis conducted on some part of the footage revealed that the center of the object has the same density as its background, namely is of a transparent nature.

In conclusion, even though a detailed analysis of the footage is conducted, it might still remain unidentified. Hence, other reference objects need to be recorded in the same frame with the disputable object and further shootings need to be done by ourselves with special equipment in the same location and conditions.

Accordingly, the term “UFO” (Unidentified Flying Object) which has been used for these sort of dubious objects can also be used for these objects . But, this definition does not mean that these objects are from extraterrestrial (flying saucer etc.) origin.


Prof. phD. Zeki EKER

Director

National Observatory of TUBITAK
 
Just to get this straight, the footage is from 2008 (not that that means its crap, far from it) and I just posted my, allegedly back then, observations (watched it again, no worries). The "Sirius UFO Space Sciences Research Center" should focus their awesome telescope, observation and amazing imaging analysis more on the Moon then Sirius or an oil platform is all I am saying. Not frigging convinced, and I am not one to 'debunk'. Wasn't this captured in the 'Ankara' bay ?
Also, my dog barks too, by the way, even on the beach.
 
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