Some SERIOUS UFO Questions...

[Bixyboo]

Hey all:

Last night hubby and I watched on History Channel (UFO Files) all about Hangar 18 and Wright-Patterson AFB, etc...

It was actually pretty interesting but suddenly hubby blurts out (during one scene of a reported 100-ft UFO being taken away supposedly to Hangar 18:

1) HOW would a disc THAT big be able to be transported? He thinks there are no airplanes that wide or tall nor flatbed trucks that could move it, even if it were on its side, because of inability to go under any bridges.

I suggested it must've been moved by Helecopter (or airplane) carrying it through the air and at night.

He agreed it could've been moved that way, but if so
A) It had to have been pretty light and
B) Someone would've seen that.

So we were mulling over different ways a craft that large could be moved anywhere very far,etc...

THEN I came up with another question:

In the famous Roswell case, you see that piece of foil like stuff that won't bend (for long) or scratch nor can be torn apart, etc.

YET if it supposedly came from 'wreckage' in the first place, well it 'came off' of somewhere in the first place!? (Unless it was already a separate thing in the first place, which I also brought up).
AND I've heard stories of how UFO's in general couldn't be dented,scratched, etc... if THAT'S the case, then HOW come an earthly crash can tear it apart to then be 'wreckage' in the first place??

AND then hubby came up with another question: In the same show, it showed these red dots on a map in various places of supposed UFO crashes.

WELL: Hubby said WHY are/would there be SO many 'crashes' from supposed advanced light-years beyond us Alien race? He said he could one or two or maybe even three crashes, but you'd THINK the Aliens would figure out how to prevent their ships from crashing.. He said we don't even have that many AIRLINE crashes! (He was making a point, maybe there has been, but..)

Interesting questions, huh?

Hmmmm.

Thoughts?

 

[AnnetteMarie]

hmm.
1) if there were no bridges between you and your destination, that wouldn't matter. especially if there were rail on open, flat ground through sparsely populated areas
2) flying over sparsely populated open ground, lots can be done without being seen, and from a distance, at night, how can you tell what is going on?
3) have you seen the size of some of those transport planes? they carry tanks, for crying out loud - and not just one at a time, either!
4) have you seen the size of some of the construction helicopters? they carry cranes for crying out loud - and not just little ones, either!
5) explosions from inside may be sufficient to tear apart the outer skin, sort of like superman... it takes something of superman's origins to harm him.
6) we have no idea what those crashes are, were, will be. some of them could very well be experimental craft that are under a top secret veil.
7) going on the supposition that these crashes are extraterrestrial craft, it is possible the ones that are crashing are craft belonging to a society that is new to the intergalactic travel experience, their craft are barely out of the experimental stage, they are test pilots, pick any theory you like. Any of them may or may not fit, because at the very end of it all

WE DON'T KNOW.

so let's keep looking, shall we?

 

[Bixyboo]

Ann: Well true if there were no bridges between place of crash and destination that it wouldn't even be a question there...

Yep: I figured that they MUST have huge enough planes or something that could transport something THAT wide (or tall if it were up on its side).

Yep thought the same thing in even if the Craft were heavy that there also MUST be aircraft/helicopters that can carry such a thing.

About people seeing things at night in the air while it's being transported...well, maybe another airplane/helicopter flies UNDER the hanging craft then it reduces it being seen a bit...*shrug*

Explosions happening..well then if say there were a recovered craft and scientists were trying to figure it out, you'd think they could mimic similar explosions in the lab to the thing, right? (I could see they wouldn't want to completely ruin it in trying that tho...but still...)

Crashes: The fact that they could be 'test pilots' and/or not know much about our atmosphere? Hmm...maybe....*shrug*

Just intereresting questions to ponder, tho, thanks for your input!

 

[AnnetteMarie]

there's just so much that is only speculation, and every time I think I have an argument against something, the other side of my brain comes up with an argument against the argument and it goes on and on.
I get such a headache thinking about this stuff, sometimes!

 

[Frootloop]

There are reports of downed objects beign transported on flad bed trucks. The Kecksburg Acorn springs to mind. Regarding airplanes not being big enough to transport such large objects, dont forget that the Shuttle is regularly transported by piggyback on a modified 747. If the object is technologically more advanced than anything we have, then I would assume that its lighter than the shuttle simply down to more efficient construction and material usage. Sometimes the best place to hide something is in plain sight, and if someone does say "hey, i spotted a saucer being moved on the back of a truck" generally speaking, who would believe them or have the power to do anything about it?

RE Roswell, wasnt there two suggested crash sites? the debris field at the Brazel Ranch and a downed object (with occupants) at Corona. As for why the object crashed, its anyones guess. Just because they are more technologically advanced, doesnt mean that they dont make mistakes. That said, if they are extra-dimensional, you could assume that for some reason, they have problems travelling in our atmosphere perhaps? I think someone once suggested that our Radar initially caused them guidance system problems.

 

[trilithium]

Crashes: I think it has been suggested (at Roswell anyway), that the craft collided with each other. Also, that the military had somehow shot them down.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[AnnetteMarie]

That said, if they are extra-dimensional, you could assume that for some reason, they have problems travelling in our atmosphere perhaps? I think someone once suggested that our Radar initially caused them guidance system problems.

so perhaps that would account for the "stone skipping" effect noted by the fellow who saw them near the mountain range in Washington State?

 

[Frootloop]

so perhaps that would account for the "stone skipping" effect noted by the fellow who saw them near the mountain range in Washington State?

You are probably referring to the pilot, Keneth Arnold who first used the term "Saucer" to explain a formation of discs that he spotted over Washington state.

I dont think that anyone really knows how these craft, if thats what they are, stay airbourne or why they sometimes er.... dont.

 

[AnnetteMarie]

yup, I do believe that is the fellow. thanks!

 

[Tommy Allison]

What people don't realize is some of the Saucer craft are actually manufactured on the base. The military has machinists, and foundries on some bases that conduct these kinds of research. They do NOT contract out to anyone when dealing with super secret technology.

As far as crashes go, I've asked that question myself. If you can't bend or break the material, cut it or burn it, then how come the thing tore apart when it hit the dirt?

Then it dawns on me.

From a physics and science point of view, if it's not from our dimension, or from an alternate reality, the laws of physics might not apply here, and catastrophic results can occur with the slightest of errors on the part of these purported aliens.

All it would take is for their reality to have different gravity, or different molecular density, and they could come crashing down. If their technology required them to be in some kind of reality bubble, if that bubble is pierced the ship itself could explode.

This is all conjecture as nobody really knows anything about how their ships work. I for one would look at ANY downed alien vehicle as being a malfunction or divergent reality.

 

[Gil Bavel]

Hey all:

Last night hubby and I watched on History Channel (UFO Files) all about Hangar 18 and Wright-Patterson AFB, etc...

It was actually pretty interesting but suddenly hubby blurts out (during one scene of a reported 100-ft UFO being taken away supposedly to Hangar 18:

1) HOW would a disc THAT big be able to be transported? He thinks there are no airplanes that wide or tall nor flatbed trucks that could move it, even if it were on its side, because of inability to go under any bridges.

I suggested it must've been moved by Helicopter (or airplane) carrying it through the air and at night.

He agreed it could've been moved that way, but if so
A) It had to have been pretty light and
B) Someone would've seen that.

Thoughts?

Yeah, I saw that last night, too, even though I've seen it before, I was watching the rerun of UFO Hunters just before it, which I've also seen before... I guess I was bored.

I remember hearing (or seeing on something like the History Channel) that when they started doing crash retrieval and they had teams on standby after totally screwing up Roswell, that once they had to bury a disc because it was so big (might have been in Mexico). They buried it in place, and then--this part I'm not clear on--poured a parking lot on top of it and built a little building right there to function as a reason for the parking lot to exist.

It sounds bizarre.

Also, back in '47, there would have been many fewer power lines, and especially bridges on the nascent highway system at the time. So, maybe they didn't have to worry about them as much. Plus, they're going to a military base with military trucks and equipment--so they might have an extra-wide intake area for their pre-planned Foreign Technology Division...

 

[qqqq]

You can pretty much rule out air transport for moving a saucer in the forties, and it's quite obvious the beings using this thecnology arn't light years in advancement ahead of us.

 

[Bixyboo]

gilbavel: Yeah, they said that same story on that show we were watching....Yet I didn't catch all of it (and regrettably didn't DVR it, it'll repeat, I'm sure).

But yeah, Guess if suddenly there's an instant building erected in some strange locale...gotta wonder WHY, huh?

And yeah, how DID they transport such a large craft if recovered in earlier years (like 40's or 50's, etc?).

Guess a civil engineer could answer some of my questions...like Dennis Balthazar or someone.....does he post or read here?

Bixyboo

 

[AnnetteMarie]

--so they might have an extra-wide intake area for their pre-planned Foreign Technology Division...

I catch the scent of another conspiracy here... Foreign Technology Division... FTD isn't that the "flower" delivery system? Now we know for sure what it really delivers!

 

[Blacknight]

Bixyboo, they are some very good questions.

By any means, transporting a vehicle with a 100 foot circumference is an enormous undertaking. Doing it surreptitiously is remarkable! It's possible, I guess, but definitely worth questioning by any critical thinker.

And, I believe many people are bothered by the seeming incongruity of impervious materials being ripped to shreds by, A LIGHTNING STORM!?!?!, after having traveled through, space, time, dimensions, the middle earth, whatever.

The search for answers starts with good questions. These are questions for which no one, and I do mean no one, has definitive answers, just more conjecture.

 

[Bixyboo]

Thanks, Blacknight!

I think someone has answers,though, (NASA, etc) to some of my questions...(like HOW they do transport a very wide craft secretly, like that).
Meanwhile: It's fun discussing questions such as these and hearing some plausible answers!

The search for answers starts with good questions. These are questions for which no one, and I do mean no one, has definitive answers, just more conjecture.