Bergen
Paranormal Maven
( my main language isnt english so there might be some typos )
I havent been on the forum in a while but i have been listening to the show. During the the time that I have been absent ive been doing some thinking on the UFO topic and I decided to share them just out of boredom working nightshift. There are a variety of topics mentioned in the following text but I am too lazy to make multiple threads J
First, ive read the first and half the second of Richard Dolans UFOs and the national security state books. I have heard them hailed as the definitive study and even proof of UFOs. This is my , sort of , short review of the first book.
After reading the book it was the title I have the largest problem with ; “ cover up exposed “ and “ chronology of a cover up “. See, even though the books do prove without a doubt that the military do have an interest in UFOs even after BlueBook , it does not in my opinion prove that they know anything about them. The book seems to lead me into this state of mind where a ton of half proven stuff equal a big wholly proven case for the goverments intricate knowledge of ufos.
An example of this is the higly secret “ assessment of the situation “ document where the members of this study , on behalf of the military , come to the conclution that UFOs are most likely of e.t. origin . That sure is interesting , but it only shows that the military scientists don’t have any idea what they are. But mr. Dolan imo wraps the whole incident in a certain tone , as to say “ this is proof of what we want it to be proof of, That’s only one of many examples but I think this example will suffice as the other examples are pretty much of the same type. Dolan does howerer provide us with a huge insight into what the military was doing about the UFO problem , but as mentioned earlier I don’t think he proves any military knowledge.
Also the other problem I have with the book is the James E. McDonald incident. Why on earth would anyone trying to make a scientificly sound book on the UFO phenomenon end it with an insane “what if” story of the government using psychic powers to kill Mr.McDonald,
E.T. origin vs. Extra Dimentional
First of, I don’t claim to know anything about the origins of UFOs , but I do get a bit fed up with people throwing around the E.D. hypothesis without any follow up. To my knowledge there isn’t even any proof that there are extra dimentions , especially not in the way put forward by people putting aliens there. From wiki :
“In physicsand mathematics, the dimension of a spaceor objectis informally defined as the minimum number of coordinatesneeded to specify any pointwithin it.[1][2]Thus a linehas a dimension of one because only one coordinate is needed to specify a point on it (for example, the point at 5 on a number line). A surfacesuch as a planeor the surface of a cylinderor spherehas a dimension of two because two coordinates are needed to specify a point on it (for example, to locate a point on the surface of a sphere you need both its latitudeand itslongitude). The inside of a cube, a cylinder or a sphere is three-dimensional because three coordinates are needed to locate a point within these spaces.”
In other words, extra dimentions isn’t parallel worlds superimposed on already existing worlds.
The E.T. hypothesis is however backed up by multiple factors ;
-We know life can evolve on a planet
-We know intelligence can evolve in species to the point where a species can think abstractly and construct devises used for space travel
-We know the will to explore can develop in a species
-We know there are other planets beyond our solar system
-We know technology evolves
-We know there are hypothetically sound theories on how to achieve space travel over great distances,
In my opinion the E.D. hypothesis guys should back up their belief with some reasoning outside “ they appear and disappear out of nothing” , especially if this is all they base their E.D.H. > E.T.H. belief on, Back it up goddammit :-D
Another thing I have been thinking about is the notion that the visitors have to be “ thousands, even millions of years ahead of us on an evolutionary scale” . Why ? We went from horse and carriage to the space shuttle over the span of a few years. Is it not plausible that we can achieve space travel in another “few years” ? Also, this theory also has to impy that “aliens” whoever they might be , took the same evolutionary path as us, something I find hard to believe.
Last topic, why do “aliens” have to be a lot more intelligent than humans ? The sole reason for this claim is that a higher intelligence is needed to construct the sort of devices that are UFOs. Back to the last topic, does anybody claim that Plato or Aristotle was less intelligent than the people who invented jet propultion ?
Or that Leonardo DaVinci was less intelligent than Mike Zuckerberg ? . The only difference is knowledge , not the ability to reach high numbers on an IQ test. That is not to say “aliens” aren’t more intelligent than we are , but to say that they have to be is imo just a false statement.
The end ;-)
I havent been on the forum in a while but i have been listening to the show. During the the time that I have been absent ive been doing some thinking on the UFO topic and I decided to share them just out of boredom working nightshift. There are a variety of topics mentioned in the following text but I am too lazy to make multiple threads J
First, ive read the first and half the second of Richard Dolans UFOs and the national security state books. I have heard them hailed as the definitive study and even proof of UFOs. This is my , sort of , short review of the first book.
After reading the book it was the title I have the largest problem with ; “ cover up exposed “ and “ chronology of a cover up “. See, even though the books do prove without a doubt that the military do have an interest in UFOs even after BlueBook , it does not in my opinion prove that they know anything about them. The book seems to lead me into this state of mind where a ton of half proven stuff equal a big wholly proven case for the goverments intricate knowledge of ufos.
An example of this is the higly secret “ assessment of the situation “ document where the members of this study , on behalf of the military , come to the conclution that UFOs are most likely of e.t. origin . That sure is interesting , but it only shows that the military scientists don’t have any idea what they are. But mr. Dolan imo wraps the whole incident in a certain tone , as to say “ this is proof of what we want it to be proof of, That’s only one of many examples but I think this example will suffice as the other examples are pretty much of the same type. Dolan does howerer provide us with a huge insight into what the military was doing about the UFO problem , but as mentioned earlier I don’t think he proves any military knowledge.
Also the other problem I have with the book is the James E. McDonald incident. Why on earth would anyone trying to make a scientificly sound book on the UFO phenomenon end it with an insane “what if” story of the government using psychic powers to kill Mr.McDonald,
E.T. origin vs. Extra Dimentional
First of, I don’t claim to know anything about the origins of UFOs , but I do get a bit fed up with people throwing around the E.D. hypothesis without any follow up. To my knowledge there isn’t even any proof that there are extra dimentions , especially not in the way put forward by people putting aliens there. From wiki :
“In physicsand mathematics, the dimension of a spaceor objectis informally defined as the minimum number of coordinatesneeded to specify any pointwithin it.[1][2]Thus a linehas a dimension of one because only one coordinate is needed to specify a point on it (for example, the point at 5 on a number line). A surfacesuch as a planeor the surface of a cylinderor spherehas a dimension of two because two coordinates are needed to specify a point on it (for example, to locate a point on the surface of a sphere you need both its latitudeand itslongitude). The inside of a cube, a cylinder or a sphere is three-dimensional because three coordinates are needed to locate a point within these spaces.”
In other words, extra dimentions isn’t parallel worlds superimposed on already existing worlds.
The E.T. hypothesis is however backed up by multiple factors ;
-We know life can evolve on a planet
-We know intelligence can evolve in species to the point where a species can think abstractly and construct devises used for space travel
-We know the will to explore can develop in a species
-We know there are other planets beyond our solar system
-We know technology evolves
-We know there are hypothetically sound theories on how to achieve space travel over great distances,
In my opinion the E.D. hypothesis guys should back up their belief with some reasoning outside “ they appear and disappear out of nothing” , especially if this is all they base their E.D.H. > E.T.H. belief on, Back it up goddammit :-D
Another thing I have been thinking about is the notion that the visitors have to be “ thousands, even millions of years ahead of us on an evolutionary scale” . Why ? We went from horse and carriage to the space shuttle over the span of a few years. Is it not plausible that we can achieve space travel in another “few years” ? Also, this theory also has to impy that “aliens” whoever they might be , took the same evolutionary path as us, something I find hard to believe.
Last topic, why do “aliens” have to be a lot more intelligent than humans ? The sole reason for this claim is that a higher intelligence is needed to construct the sort of devices that are UFOs. Back to the last topic, does anybody claim that Plato or Aristotle was less intelligent than the people who invented jet propultion ?
Or that Leonardo DaVinci was less intelligent than Mike Zuckerberg ? . The only difference is knowledge , not the ability to reach high numbers on an IQ test. That is not to say “aliens” aren’t more intelligent than we are , but to say that they have to be is imo just a false statement.
The end ;-)
