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Sun 1st Feb Show - Robert Zubrin & Mac Tonnies
- Thread starter Gareth
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David Biedny
Paranormal Adept
Nightwatch
Paranormal Novice
Robert Zubrin bringing the knowledge ... Great episode
It would have been fun hearing Mac and Zubrin debating Macs book. I thought Mac seemed slightly embarrassed when he described his book.
It would have been fun hearing Mac and Zubrin debating Macs book. I thought Mac seemed slightly embarrassed when he described his book.
Kim Stanley Robinson, the trilogy was red mars, blue mars, green mars. i also have his Escape from Kathmandu. fun story
Tim777
Skilled Investigator
I know what you mean. I hope that wasn't the case, though. I always love listening to Mac talk about his ideas. He has a graceful way with words.
Gareth
Nothin' to see here
I got the sense that Mac realised this wasnt the place for it. Robert isnt into that stuff and to delve into would just cause unnecessary awkwardness.
I think I noticed David steer the conversation away from that topic on one occasion too.
ondafritz
Skilled Investigator
Zubrin is an interesting guy. And I really like a lot of what he had to say. But he is singular in his focus. And not only from this interview but from the documentaries I have seen him featured in is that he seems angry in my opinion. Angry that people don't listen to him or angry that we are not moving fast enough for him.
Like John Adams was essential to the founding of this country but he was known to be caustic. He almost ruined our relationship with France if it hadn't been for Franklin who pulled it out (in more ways than one if you are to believe the stories).
Like John Adams was essential to the founding of this country but he was known to be caustic. He almost ruined our relationship with France if it hadn't been for Franklin who pulled it out (in more ways than one if you are to believe the stories).
thefoundryman
chrono-synclastically infundibulated
Great guest Gene and Dave! I lost my ipod and had to listen late, at home which I never get to do. So, cruisin' around lookin up info on Mars and Zubrin like:
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~mfogg/zubrin.htm, http://www.redcolony.com/features.php?name=whycolonizemars , etc.
It's apparent, with the questions you guys threw at Zubrin, that he has done his homework thoroughly, and passed the Paracast gauntlet, well-versed on the topic. With Mac Tonnies riding shotgun! Mac? What would you call your martian coffee chain?
Lots of unconventional wisdom in this episode, the less explored aspects of the colonization of mars. GOATS ON MARS?!! Well I guess you may get tired of the ol' NASA Spam, which tastes better than your buddy.
I'm off to get a bowl of Soylent Boyardee!
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~mfogg/zubrin.htm, http://www.redcolony.com/features.php?name=whycolonizemars , etc.
It's apparent, with the questions you guys threw at Zubrin, that he has done his homework thoroughly, and passed the Paracast gauntlet, well-versed on the topic. With Mac Tonnies riding shotgun! Mac? What would you call your martian coffee chain?
Lots of unconventional wisdom in this episode, the less explored aspects of the colonization of mars. GOATS ON MARS?!! Well I guess you may get tired of the ol' NASA Spam, which tastes better than your buddy.
I'm off to get a bowl of Soylent Boyardee!
bobheck
Disco still sucks.
Hey, I'm glad you reminded me of that. I read Red Mars years ago, then bought Blue Mars, and lost it during a move and never went any further.
Got something to do now!
I also liked some Mars book by think Ben Bova (can't remember the name right now), wasn't half bad, but I don't think it stood up to Red Mars, which I thought was an excellent read.
I also thought the Rama stuff by Clarke was great.
Tim777
Skilled Investigator
I know what you mean Gareth, but it's the Paracast. Mac was a
guest that has valid points on the whole issue of weird Mars shit.
Dr. Zubrin was an incredible guest, though. Brilliant.
Killerclown
Skilled Investigator
I loved this show and to be honest I could listen to Dr Zubrin talk for hours about mars and terraforming.
He is one of those rare people who really knows what he is talking about and yet is able to explain in a simple and succinct way. I will definitely be buying his book.
Thanks to Gene and David for one of the best shows so far.
He is one of those rare people who really knows what he is talking about and yet is able to explain in a simple and succinct way. I will definitely be buying his book.
Thanks to Gene and David for one of the best shows so far.
Drew UK
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Good guest - someone who evaluates before making an inference.
This seems to be the problem in this subject - the "ufologist" often looks like the lap dog trailing behind orthodox science and waiting for tit bits to come its way to explain the phenomenon.
Pre -1930's Observations canals on mars/pits on moon - Phenomenon ascribed to martian/moon creatures.
1950/60's - Space race moon landings/mars probes - Theory discounted, moved towards Atomist/Einsteinism feelings - Extra Terrestrial - Speed of light travellers.
1980's/90's - Genetic/DNA mapping breakthroughs - Alien abductions/Hybridization
1990's/2000's - Quantum Mechanics/Physicists - Interdimensional travellers.
One thing that became (although abstract and hidden) interesting here in discussing genetic engineering life to become tolerant to martian conditions - why hybridize? why create something that is halfway house in advantage and disadvantage when the technology could be capable of going the full length?
Applying this to the abduction cases - what benefit arises out of mixing our genetics (which through evolutionary time) is best suited to the conditions on Earth with another? The argument only would only fit if it was emotional - so why not adapt your current gene portofolio to make it suitable for the conditions and (emotionally) retain more of the original features?
I think, the longer you weigh this up - the hybridization claims appear more and more nonsensical- more probably genetic manipulation than integration. Although, I am not a big fan of abduction cases in the first place.
Anyway, the discussions and intellect of Robert Zubrin allows us to get off the treaded path a bit - something which is lacking in our modern robotic society.
I didn't care about the personality - a GSOH is not always advisable in this arena - loose strands is what debunkers and critics thrive upon.
This seems to be the problem in this subject - the "ufologist" often looks like the lap dog trailing behind orthodox science and waiting for tit bits to come its way to explain the phenomenon.
Pre -1930's Observations canals on mars/pits on moon - Phenomenon ascribed to martian/moon creatures.
1950/60's - Space race moon landings/mars probes - Theory discounted, moved towards Atomist/Einsteinism feelings - Extra Terrestrial - Speed of light travellers.
1980's/90's - Genetic/DNA mapping breakthroughs - Alien abductions/Hybridization
1990's/2000's - Quantum Mechanics/Physicists - Interdimensional travellers.
One thing that became (although abstract and hidden) interesting here in discussing genetic engineering life to become tolerant to martian conditions - why hybridize? why create something that is halfway house in advantage and disadvantage when the technology could be capable of going the full length?
Applying this to the abduction cases - what benefit arises out of mixing our genetics (which through evolutionary time) is best suited to the conditions on Earth with another? The argument only would only fit if it was emotional - so why not adapt your current gene portofolio to make it suitable for the conditions and (emotionally) retain more of the original features?
I think, the longer you weigh this up - the hybridization claims appear more and more nonsensical- more probably genetic manipulation than integration. Although, I am not a big fan of abduction cases in the first place.
Anyway, the discussions and intellect of Robert Zubrin allows us to get off the treaded path a bit - something which is lacking in our modern robotic society.
I didn't care about the personality - a GSOH is not always advisable in this arena - loose strands is what debunkers and critics thrive upon.
reminds me of the russian probe phobos II
http://www.ufodigest.com/marsprobes.html
One of the last images relayed to earth in detail by the Phobos II camera before data transmission was lost was an enormous elliptical shadow on the surface of Mars -- cigar-shaped, and an estimated 25-27 kilometers (approxi- mately 16 miles) in length. The size of this object ruled out the possibility that it was a reflection of the Phobos spacecraft itself. Because of its of its position, its symmetrical shape, its size and its movement, no features on the surface of Mars in the area in front of the probe, nor the satellite moons of Phobos and Deimos, nor the Phobos II spacecraft itself could account for this shadow pattern occurring in the very last frames of data successfully transmitted to earth.
http://www.ufodigest.com/marsprobes.html
skunkape
Paranormal Maven
reminds me of the russian probe phobos II
http://www.ufodigest.com/marsprobes.html
One of the last images relayed to earth in detail by the Phobos II camera before data transmission was lost was an enormous elliptical shadow on the surface of Mars -- cigar-shaped, and an estimated 25-27 kilometers (approxi- mately 16 miles) in length. The size of this object ruled out the possibility that it was a reflection of the Phobos spacecraft itself. Because of its of its position, its symmetrical shape, its size and its movement, no features on the surface of Mars in the area in front of the probe, nor the satellite moons of Phobos and Deimos, nor the Phobos II spacecraft itself could account for this shadow pattern occurring in the very last frames of data successfully transmitted to earth.
That is close to the proportions of a cigar-shaped thing I saw some time back. It wasn't 16 miles long! I'd say it was easily twice the size of the biggest passenger jet I've seen...maybe 5 times. I didn't bring a tape-measure.
Maybe those strange circular caves on Mars are parking spaces.
Mars Mysterious Dark Hole
