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How is this a problem? Surely it makes sense to talk to countries in the middle east and since when is it a crime to be born in Egypt?

Many Jewish people are critical of Israel as are many non Jewish people. There is no difference between the terrorists and the IDF. In fact the IDF killed many more people than the terrorists ever did. If you were a Palestinian I suspect you would also see Arafat as a hero. I am not saying that terrorism is right but similarly the oppression and constant humiliation of an occupied indigenous population is also not right. During WW2 when the Germans were occupying France, the French resistance was a "terrorist" group. Few would consider them as such now. Every time the IDF kills a Palestinian they create at least a dozen new terrorists who will be intent on revenge. If you use violence and intimidation against people you can't really complain when fear and violence come back and bite you in the backside. I only hope that somehow, sometime a solution is found and the cycle of violence ends but I don't see how.

Tommy, I have to admit I'm disappointed in you. If America is ever to move on then these simplistic attitudes which I would consider to be a form of casual racism and colonialism have to change. If not terrorism will continue to flourish and the world will spiral into ever greater violence. People are the same the world over. Most of them want to live their lives as free people with a decent quality of life - as we all do.

Governments and the MIC (Military Industrial Complex) are different. They are only interested in serving themselves and it is often in their interests to perpetuate conflict as it helps to increase their power and their profits. I am not convinced that Obama can do any of the great things he promised because many of them would conflict with the MIC and corporate interests. If he really does try to change things then I suspect the vested interests will have him removed either via political scandal or the JFK method.

<blockquote data-quote="Killerclown" data-source="post: 51148" data-attributes="member: 960">How is this a problem?&nbsp; Surely it makes sense to talk to countries in the middle east and since when is it a crime to be born in Egypt?Many Jewish people are critical of Israel as are many non Jewish people.&nbsp; There is no difference between the terrorists and the IDF.&nbsp; In fact the IDF killed many more people than the terrorists ever did.&nbsp; If you were a Palestinian I suspect you would also see Arafat as a hero.&nbsp; I am not saying that terrorism is right but similarly the oppression and constant humiliation of an occupied indigenous population is also not right.&nbsp; During WW2 when the Germans were occupying France, the French resistance was a &quot;terrorist&quot; group.&nbsp; Few would consider them as such now.&nbsp; Every time the IDF kills a Palestinian they create at least a dozen new terrorists who will be intent on revenge.&nbsp; If you use violence and intimidation against people you can&#039;t really complain when fear and violence come back and bite you in the backside.&nbsp; I only hope that somehow, sometime a solution is found and the cycle of violence ends but I don&#039;t see how.Tommy, I have to admit I&#039;m disappointed in you.&nbsp; If America is ever to move on then these simplistic attitudes which I would consider to be a form of casual racism and colonialism have to change.&nbsp; If not terrorism will continue to flourish and the world will spiral into ever greater violence.&nbsp; People are the same the world over.&nbsp; Most of them want to live their lives as free people with a decent quality of life - as we all do.&nbsp; Governments and the MIC (Military Industrial Complex) are different.&nbsp; They are only interested in serving themselves and it is often in their interests to perpetuate conflict as it helps to increase their power and their profits.&nbsp; I am not convinced that Obama can do any of the great things he promised because many of them would conflict with the MIC and corporate interests.&nbsp; If he really does try to change things then I suspect the vested interests will have him removed either via political scandal or the JFK method.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Killerclown, post: 51148, member: 960"] How is this a problem? Surely it makes sense to talk to countries in the middle east and since when is it a crime to be born in Egypt? Many Jewish people are critical of Israel as are many non Jewish people. There is no difference between the terrorists and the IDF. In fact the IDF killed many more people than the terrorists ever did. If you were a Palestinian I suspect you would also see Arafat as a hero. I am not saying that terrorism is right but similarly the oppression and constant humiliation of an occupied indigenous population is also not right. During WW2 when the Germans were occupying France, the French resistance was a "terrorist" group. Few would consider them as such now. Every time the IDF kills a Palestinian they create at least a dozen new terrorists who will be intent on revenge. If you use violence and intimidation against people you can't really complain when fear and violence come back and bite you in the backside. I only hope that somehow, sometime a solution is found and the cycle of violence ends but I don't see how. Tommy, I have to admit I'm disappointed in you. If America is ever to move on then these simplistic attitudes which I would consider to be a form of casual racism and colonialism have to change. If not terrorism will continue to flourish and the world will spiral into ever greater violence. People are the same the world over. Most of them want to live their lives as free people with a decent quality of life - as we all do. Governments and the MIC (Military Industrial Complex) are different. They are only interested in serving themselves and it is often in their interests to perpetuate conflict as it helps to increase their power and their profits. I am not convinced that Obama can do any of the great things he promised because many of them would conflict with the MIC and corporate interests. If he really does try to change things then I suspect the vested interests will have him removed either via political scandal or the JFK method. [/QUOTE]

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