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Actually, the beauty of logic is that it allows us to ascertain certain truths regardless of how powerful or omniscient the PTB might be, and what I said is that life after death isn't logically possible. Invoking God does nothing to change the logic.

A position which utilizes logic to reach a conclusion cannot be invalidated by invoking authority. Therefore credentials are irrelevant. I would be willing to change my position if you can identify the flaw in the logic or introduce some new information that would require that the problem be reframed so as to more accurately illustrate the problem and the facts surrounding it.

Not exactly. I believe I did say that the brain and the mind are separate and explained that using the analogy of a light bulb and the light it produces. In my exploration of the issue, this is a much more accurate version of he so-called "Western View". I have not found any "Western" philosopher or neuroscientist who thinks that brain=consciousness. They do however seem to be virtually unanimous that consciousness is dependent on a functioning brain, and this also appears to be well accepted by neuroscientists around the world, not simply in the West.

I've been through all of that and none of it reveals any flaw in the logic I've used. However if you think I've missed something in particular, please feel free to quote it with a reference and explain how it invalidates the logic I use or provides new information that would force me to reformulate my position. Simply posting links to videos is not sufficient counterpoint. In the meantime, if you haven't checked these out, you might find them interesting for your own reflections on the matter:

Ramachandran - Eminently Well Credentialed

[MEDIA=youtube]jTWmTJALe1w[/MEDIA]

And Of Course David Chalmers

[MEDIA=youtube]uhRhtFFhNzQ[/MEDIA]

<blockquote data-quote="Randall" data-source="post: 240573" data-attributes="member: 2682">Actually, the beauty of logic is that it allows us to ascertain certain truths regardless of how powerful or omniscient the PTB might be, and what I said is that life after death isn&#039;t logically possible. Invoking God does nothing to change the logic.A position which utilizes logic to reach a conclusion cannot be invalidated by invoking authority. Therefore credentials are irrelevant. I would be willing to change my position if you can identify the flaw in the logic or introduce some new information that would require that the problem be reframed so as to more accurately illustrate the problem and the facts surrounding it.Not exactly. I believe I did say that the brain and the mind are separate and explained that using the analogy of a light bulb and the light it produces. In my exploration of the issue, this is a much more accurate version of he so-called &quot;Western View&quot;. I have not found any &quot;Western&quot; philosopher or neuroscientist who thinks that brain=consciousness. They do however seem to be virtually unanimous that consciousness is dependent on a functioning brain, and this also appears to be well accepted by neuroscientists around the world, not simply in the West.I&#039;ve been through all of that and none of it reveals any flaw in the logic I&#039;ve used. However if you think I&#039;ve missed something in particular, please feel free to quote it with a reference and explain how it invalidates the logic I use or provides new information that would force me to reformulate my position. Simply posting links to videos is not sufficient counterpoint. In the meantime, if you haven&#039;t checked these out, you might find them interesting for your own reflections on the matter:Ramachandran - Eminently Well Credentialed[MEDIA=youtube]jTWmTJALe1w[/MEDIA]And Of Course David Chalmers[MEDIA=youtube]uhRhtFFhNzQ[/MEDIA]</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Randall, post: 240573, member: 2682"] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=4]Actually, the beauty of logic is that it allows us to ascertain certain truths regardless of how powerful or omniscient the PTB might be, and what I said is that life after death isn't logically possible. Invoking God does nothing to change the logic.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=4]A position which utilizes logic to reach a conclusion cannot be invalidated by invoking authority. Therefore credentials are irrelevant. I would be willing to change my position if you can identify the flaw in the logic or introduce some new information that would require that the problem be reframed so as to more accurately illustrate the problem and the facts surrounding it.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=4]Not exactly. I believe I did say that the brain and the mind are separate and explained that using the analogy of a light bulb and the light it produces. In my exploration of the issue, this is a much more accurate version of he so-called "Western View". I have not found any "Western" philosopher or neuroscientist who thinks that brain=consciousness. They do however seem to be virtually unanimous that consciousness is dependent on a functioning brain, and this also appears to be well accepted by neuroscientists around the world, not simply in the West.[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=4]I've been through all of that and none of it reveals any flaw in the logic I've used. However if you think I've missed something in particular, please feel free to quote it with a reference and explain how it invalidates the logic I use or provides new information that would force me to reformulate my position. Simply posting links to videos is not sufficient counterpoint. In the meantime, if you haven't checked these out, you might find them interesting for your own reflections on the matter: Ramachandran - Eminently Well Credentialed[/SIZE][/FONT] [MEDIA=youtube]jTWmTJALe1w[/MEDIA] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=4]And Of Course David Chalmers[/SIZE][/FONT] [MEDIA=youtube]uhRhtFFhNzQ[/MEDIA] [/QUOTE]

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