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The 5th Anniversary Show

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Hi Gene, Chris, Greg and Paul ,
The 5th Anniversary Show : was excellent and great replies.All that was missing was the fireworks,

On another note Gene maybe a Sci-Fi Podcast once a month or quarter?,

Best Sci-fi Books, Movies and Music,

Dr WHO
Contact
War of the Worlds

So people can go search them out:)

Peace,
BF
 
I don't think that our listeners expect a sci-fi show that often. But occasionally perhaps, assuming there's a possible connection between our regular fare.
 
Yeah once in awhile sounds cool:)

Aurthur C Clarke , Paul Davis etc regarding space exploration and whats might be out there in reality:)
Sci-Fi is huge business and attracts thousands of people to its readership:)

K-9
 
Really great show guys! I think I learned quite a bit, and I plan to listen to it again later tonight because there was just to much info all at once to digest.
Thanks again guys, and Happy 5th!
 
First, I would like to congratulate The Paracast on its 5th anniversary. It's an excellent show and I have enjoyed it immensely over the past two years that I have been "tuning in." Gene is a great host -- a consummate radio professional and someone with decades of experience in the UFO and paranormal field. I became frustrated with the show at one point -- but my faith has now been restored with the addition of Chris O'Brien, who brings a contagious enthusiasm to the program. The other occasional co-hosts have been excellent, as well. In fact, they represent the some of the very people I enjoy listening to most in this field.

Why is Ufology dying? The short answer is: because I am interested in it. I unfailingly become interested in hobbies and avocations that have become passe -- where the majority of practitioners and enthusiasts tend to be 60 and older. I love hobbies that have a golden age long past. I enjoy stories about the old timers and their adventures. I wish I could step back in time and see what it was like. In a sense, I have a nostalgia for periods I never lived through.

Two interests I have picked up that have had trouble appealing to the young are stamp collecting and ham radio. Both have organizations filled with old duffers trying to make their hobby appeal to the young. Since email has replaced most postal mail, young people have a hard time relating to it. Philately has become more of an antiquarian study. I think it will maintain its interest with a small group of collectors -- but no longer do we live in a time where you could buy stamp hinges at the corner store, so widespread was the hobby. Ham radio really impressed newcomers up till the 80s and 90s -- when short-range communication was replaced by cell phones and texting -- and long-range was made possible with instant messaging. It's no longer possible to impress a kid with "I'm talking to another ham radio operator in South Africa" and the kid replying "gee whiz!" Of course in emergency situations -- disasters and power failures, ham operators still maintain communication with affected areas.

Gene, Greg, Chris and Paul all indicated that no great UFO researchers are around who got started post-1980. I would say that with Ufology sensu strictu this might be true. But the great conspiracy researchers got their start after that (or were predominantly active) -- and they often included UFOs in different guises in their research. Kenn Thomas and Jim Keith come to mind. The whole Steamshovel Press and Excluded Middle thing (Greg Bishop is a "great" in my opinion). These people saw UFOs through the psychedelic lens of the counter-culture, futurism, cyberpunk, mind expansion, etc. Another great -- whether you like/agree with him or not -- is Jim Marrs. He is very widely read and includes UFOs in his conspiracy worldview. Tim Binnall credits Marrs with spurring his interest in UFOs, and Binnall definitely falls into the category of younger Ufologists. Binnall also brings a modern sensibility where women get to play in a field that was traditionally male dominated.

Born in 1960, I could have become interested in UFOs during a time when the study was still "classic". I certainly read the popular paperbacks and the school library had a few books on the subject. In the 70s I watched the popular documentaries of the time -- what was the one narrated by Leonard Nimoy? But my interest never coalesced into a serious obsession . Being a sci-fi movie and TV fan, I watched all the popular series and films: Star Trek, Star Wars, etc. I loved the X-Files. I think Futurama has the best depiction of Roswell in 1947. But I was led to a deeper interest in UFOs and other weird stuff through a different route.

I had always been fascinated by WWII and the Nazis -- by strange technology they may have had, their interest in the occult, speculation about their survival after the War. For someone growing up with war movies and TV series like "Combat" (which still holds up after all these years, I have discovered), the Nazis are the ultimate bad guys. Notwithstanding the true evil they perpetrated, they have an iconic appeal -- like when Indiana Jones sees that the Nazis are involved in the search for the Ark and says "I hate these guys" -- you know what sort of formidable enemy he was facing.

So I looked up some books on Amazon and came across Joseph Farrell's "Reich Of The Black Sun". I really lucked out with Farrell because not only did the subject of his book catch my fancy, I realized that I was reading someone with an impressive academic background -- an Oxford educated Ph.D in a humanities field who also is very knowledgeable about math and physics (much of which goes way beyond my comprehension). He is fluent in many areas of esoterica -- Pyramid studies, alternative history, paleo-ancient high cultures, speculative economics, Ufology, government conspiracies, JFK assassination, etc. Yet he doesn't not seem to be very well regarded amongst traditional Ufologist. He seems to be guilty by association of consorting with "bad" people like Richard Hoagland and Project Camelot. I don't know why these people seem to be vilified. They seem no more out there than the majority of people in esoterica, and Hoagland especially has very interesting ideas. People just don't seem to like him because he is a pompous ass or something. I guess I would rather judge him by what he writes than how he acts. Certainly pompous ass-ery abounds in all fields of endeavor. At any rate, I think Farrel is a sort of genius -- though I don't actually believe a lot of what he is saying. I just really appreciate the level of scholarship and argumentation that he brings to his subjects. I feel similarly about Zecharia Sitchin. I don' really believe it all, but I can get delightfully lost in the fantastic world that he has created.
 
I don't think that our listeners expect a sci-fi show that often. But occasionally perhaps, assuming there's a possible connection between our regular fare.

Its funny my local 2nd hand bookshop knowing i collect Dr Who novels has put in a massive stock of them, which ive been buying up as fast as i can afford.
the last two i read Heart of Tardis by dave stone had big paranormal plot lines including aleister crowley as a character, and then the next one i picked up Alien Bodies by lawrence miles has Men in black and area 51 style hangers with recovered crashed artifacts and mention of "high strangness"

Such paranormal plot lines coming one after the other out of the twenty books i bought two weeks ago....
Its enough to make a fella think the trickster is messing with me :)
 
Scholarship is only useful if it actually leads to sustainable conclusions. What Farrell does isn't scholarship (he would be drummed out of any first-year history course dealing with the Nazis, or WWII - it would make my day to see or hear him try and debate an actual WWII / Nazi scholar) - but it may indeed make for a good, if somewhat hackneyed, sci-fi plot.

I suggest the following:


Incidentally, the producers of this film did some of their research by monitoring Above Top Secret, among other sites. On-line message boards may not contain the "truth", but they're a great place to find ideas and then turn around and market them when they've been made.

Glad you liked the show... just as I'm equally glad that we didn't waste any time talking about Farrell.
 
You guys better watch out... ;P

Liked the show a lot as well and thanks for answering my questions. Hope we'll hear Paul more often, heard about the ass-shaking by Bassett before, but that delivery was glorious. :)
 
Gee whiz, Paul...

The point about my "gee whiz" thing is two-sided - not just that people should be more fun-loving, and embrace the wonder of it all, but that they should do so with the real wonder, and not the bogus and made up stuff. Saying "gee whiz" doesn't mean that one should leave their critical faculties behind; indeed, it's the real mysteries that are exciting. Made-up stuff like Farrell's loopiness is just a distraction, no better or worse than all of the other distractions.

And as fiction (which is what it is), there are other people, like the Iron Sky producers, who are doing it with more style and panache, and with their tongue planted firmly in their cheek - where it belongs.
 
I still maintain that the Nazi interest into the Occult was merely a one man affair(Himmler mainly, I don't think much of Schäfer), and it certainly didn't bring forth any results. 'Iron Sky' looks good, hope they escape development hell.
 
I still maintain that the Nazi interest into the Occult was merely a one man affair(Himmler mainly, I don't think much of Schäfer), and it certainly didn't bring forth any results. 'Iron Sky' looks good, hope they escape development hell.

It wasn't just Himmler - not quite - but he was the only Nazi of any consequence to take it all seriously. Hitler (and everyone else) thought it was nuts... which should tell you something.

I suppose, if one were to deign to take Farrell's ideas seriously (and they're not new ideas - they've been around since the war ended, in one form or another), then one could simply ask one question: if the Nazis had flying saucer technology, why didn't they use it, either to win the war, or at the very least to try and win it?

The fact that Farrell et al will never have a good answer for this question tells you everything you need to know about their work... or at least it should.

Iron Sky is a tremendous success story, which can show the way forward in terms of how one can launch a viral financing and marketing campaign, which they did for a previous project - and that's what got them to the stage they're at with this one. It's the kind of cutting edge, new media model that I was talking about, and of which "ufology" has absolutely no understanding.
 
Paul,

(pre-emptive) if I ever hear 'Haunebu' again, I'll punch someone. ;) The 'Thule'-society didn't accomplish or do as much as some people would probably like, I think the 'Nazi phenomenon, as in 'Übermensch' etc. ' fueled expectations back then to a much higher degree than it actually was. It was basically Nordic-mysticism clean cut. I'll gladly debate this.

'Iron Sky' is out ? As in available or watchable somewhere ? I think I caught the first glimpse of it in 2008.

Cheers
 
I still maintain that the Nazi interest into the Occult was merely a one man affair(Himmler mainly, I don't think much of Schäfer), and it certainly didn't bring forth any results..
How much do we REALLY know about the depth of "Nazi interest" in the occult gained secretly through state funding, and to what extent this utilization of so-called "Occult" knowledge was attempted during the '30s before the war. Perhaps they were tricked into believing that they were establishing a thousand year Aryan Age, but miss-handled their R&D dollars, I mean deutschmarks. Combine that with cutting-edge technology development hampered by uncertainty and funding; dwindling resources and lack of resolve during the war and the slow pace of R&D, etc and you have an interesting scenario paperclipped together with cutting-edge technology development divided up between the US and Russia. blaa-blah-blahh. At least Joe Farrell is providing us with a provocative, well-researched, revisionist context, unlike all those arm-chair theorists and commentators who are also allowed their opinionated insight.

Has he been on Rense yet? *smile*
 
I want my' D-Mark' back.. :( (fuck the euro, for way too many reasons).

Mr. Farrell.

I'll rip my chairs 'armrest/handle' (honestly at a loss here :P) off to bitchslap the man. Awaiting repercussions.

Get the man on the show, please. :) I'll have it ready.

pseudo edit:

I see he also has been on Project Camelot, a satisfying imaginary baseball dream will have to do....front-teeth out of the park.
 
Ive always held the nazi ufo theory to be possible.

I dont know what they are, but i must admit in my mind the idea has some merit
 
At least Joe Farrell is providing us with a provocative, well-researched, revisionist context, unlike all those arm-chair theorists and commentators who are also allowed their opinionated insight.

No, he isn't - and that's coming from someone who has actually studied the Nazis, and the war, extensively, and has the degrees to prove it - A BA(Hons) in history and political science, with a specialization in WWII and the origins of the war, and then my major paper in law school on the Nuremberg Trial (and all the people far more knowledgeable than I under whome I studied). Farrell is everything that is wrong with UFO research, and conspiracy research, because his unfounded loopiness undermines the credibility of real UFO cases, and real conspiracies, of which there are plenty. The problem is that people gravitate to this stuff because they are either uninformed, or because they want to believe, as my old friend Karl Pflock would have said. But they don't know what they're talking about - and neither does Farrell.

Because I swore that I wasn't going to get involved in these kinds of sandboxes again, I'll bow out. People can believe what they want to believe, and people like Farrell - who is no different than Steve Bassett, or Michael Horn, or anyone else who takes advantage of people's gullibility - will continue to sell their books and make their media appearances... and the subject will remain a laughing stock. But don't blame the so-called "mainstream" for that, because it's a self-inflicted wound.

Now, as my British friends would say - "ta".
 
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