Tyger
Paranormal Adept
Education: How We Think and Why We Think The Kind of Thoughts We Think
This is a complicated thread topic, but it is relevant given the kind of topics that get discussed on this site (right down to UFO's and the cosmology that has arisen around 'aliens'). I do not view myself as an intellectual but I do love the play of ideas and honest conversation.
I have always been particularly interested in why we think the way we do. There is an archaeology of ideas as much as anything else. It's not really about 'conspiracies' and 'controls'. It's notoriously difficult to control what people think - I could give you reams of examples substantiating this view - but we are conditioned in our thinking by what has come before our time.
Currently, we are very much in a world that has been influenced (profoundly) by the likes of Ayn Rand's philosophy, for example, leaving people to think along certain lines, believing that these are their own thoughts, when in fact much of what we think is derivative.
As goes the famous quote from Henry Sidgwick: "We think so because other people all think so, Or because - or because - after all we do think so, Or because we were told so, and think we must think so, Or because we once thought so, and think we still think so, Or because having thought so, we think we will think so.”
I would like to start the thread off with a reference to C.S. Lewis' 'The Abolition of Man' - a singularly prophetic work.
The Abolition of Man by C. S. Lewis
Amazon Text: "In the classic The Abolition of Man, C.S. Lewis, the most important Christian writer of the 20th century, sets out to persuade his audience of the importance and relevance of universal values such as courage and honor in contemporary society. Both astonishing and prophetic, The Abolition of Man is one of the most debated of Lewis’s extraordinary works. National Review chose it as number seven on their "100 Best Nonfiction Books of the Twentieth Century." "
LINK: The Abolition of Man by C.S. Lewis
Amazon Review: "Reads like an open letter to Richard Rorty. . . but written when Rorty was still in diapers. This is by far the most prophetic, and the most disturbing, of Lewis' works. Starting with a deceptively simple observation - that modern (now postmodern) philosophy tends to reduce all statements of value to mere statements of subjective feeling - Lewis goes on to demonstrate the corrosive and ultimately fatal effect of this line of thinking on any civilized culture.
"Lewis accurately predicts the parallel development of two trends: (1) the loss of any objective transcendent moral standards; and (2) the ability of a scientific or political elite, through social conditioning and/or genetic manipulation, to affect the thinking of successive generations of the rest of us - the great unwashed. The ascendancy, during the last decade, of moral relativism and the political correctness movement demonstrate how far down these parallel tracks we have come (i.e., Rorty: truth is what gets us what we want; truth is what my peers will let me get by with saying; Christians are "the natural constituency of Hitler").
"While he's at it, Lewis refutes the postmodern, and generally unexamined, truism that the historic moral principles of Western Civilization are fundamentally different from other cultures' norms, and thus are arbitrary and nonbinding. In a lengthy appendix, Lewis shows that the great moral principles are timeless and have been generally accepted by all civilized societies, at all times (until ours).
"So where will it end? In an ironic conclusion, Lewis predicts that what will be hailed an man's ultimate victory over Nature (such as human cloning?) will actually be Nature's ultimate victory over man. This will occur when we can fully control the kind of people the next generation will be (i.e., how they think), but in the absence of moral standards, this choice will be made arbitrarily; that is, according to purely Natural impulses - thus we have the Abolition of Man as man and the ascendancy of man as animal.
"I must take issue with the reviewer who referred to the book as a "disguised apologetic" for Christianity. While Lewis openly acknowledges his Christian beliefs, he takes great pains to establish that the existence of objective moral standards is transcultural; that it is "trans-" any specific religious or ethical system other than relativism. Those who insist otherwise are simply out of touch; controlled by their own hermeneutic of suspicion, they see closet Christians lurking behind any and all moral absolutes.
"A final point - I must also disagree with the reviewer who referred to the book too difficult for the average reader. I'm an accountant, I have no training in philosophy, and I'm definitely not a candidate for MENSA membership - but I had no trouble "getting it." Light reading it's not, but, hey, it's short, the type is large, the book is cheap, and it's written in Lewis' inimitable conversational style. Don't be intimidated, the stakes are too high!"
A Response Comment: "An example of a an objective moral standard is that Murdering Children is wrong/evil. Every culture has always abhorred child murder. Even cultures that practiced human sacrifice of minors distinguished between religious sacrifice and a criminal/child murderer. It is one example of an objective moral standard. There are many. The fact that there are objective moral standards makes [the] theory that they don't exist wrong. 2+3=5 every time in all cultures and Child Murder is always condemned in all times in all cultures."
This is a complicated thread topic, but it is relevant given the kind of topics that get discussed on this site (right down to UFO's and the cosmology that has arisen around 'aliens'). I do not view myself as an intellectual but I do love the play of ideas and honest conversation.
I have always been particularly interested in why we think the way we do. There is an archaeology of ideas as much as anything else. It's not really about 'conspiracies' and 'controls'. It's notoriously difficult to control what people think - I could give you reams of examples substantiating this view - but we are conditioned in our thinking by what has come before our time.
Currently, we are very much in a world that has been influenced (profoundly) by the likes of Ayn Rand's philosophy, for example, leaving people to think along certain lines, believing that these are their own thoughts, when in fact much of what we think is derivative.
As goes the famous quote from Henry Sidgwick: "We think so because other people all think so, Or because - or because - after all we do think so, Or because we were told so, and think we must think so, Or because we once thought so, and think we still think so, Or because having thought so, we think we will think so.”
I would like to start the thread off with a reference to C.S. Lewis' 'The Abolition of Man' - a singularly prophetic work.
The Abolition of Man by C. S. Lewis
Amazon Text: "In the classic The Abolition of Man, C.S. Lewis, the most important Christian writer of the 20th century, sets out to persuade his audience of the importance and relevance of universal values such as courage and honor in contemporary society. Both astonishing and prophetic, The Abolition of Man is one of the most debated of Lewis’s extraordinary works. National Review chose it as number seven on their "100 Best Nonfiction Books of the Twentieth Century." "
LINK: The Abolition of Man by C.S. Lewis
Amazon Review: "Reads like an open letter to Richard Rorty. . . but written when Rorty was still in diapers. This is by far the most prophetic, and the most disturbing, of Lewis' works. Starting with a deceptively simple observation - that modern (now postmodern) philosophy tends to reduce all statements of value to mere statements of subjective feeling - Lewis goes on to demonstrate the corrosive and ultimately fatal effect of this line of thinking on any civilized culture.
"Lewis accurately predicts the parallel development of two trends: (1) the loss of any objective transcendent moral standards; and (2) the ability of a scientific or political elite, through social conditioning and/or genetic manipulation, to affect the thinking of successive generations of the rest of us - the great unwashed. The ascendancy, during the last decade, of moral relativism and the political correctness movement demonstrate how far down these parallel tracks we have come (i.e., Rorty: truth is what gets us what we want; truth is what my peers will let me get by with saying; Christians are "the natural constituency of Hitler").
"While he's at it, Lewis refutes the postmodern, and generally unexamined, truism that the historic moral principles of Western Civilization are fundamentally different from other cultures' norms, and thus are arbitrary and nonbinding. In a lengthy appendix, Lewis shows that the great moral principles are timeless and have been generally accepted by all civilized societies, at all times (until ours).
"So where will it end? In an ironic conclusion, Lewis predicts that what will be hailed an man's ultimate victory over Nature (such as human cloning?) will actually be Nature's ultimate victory over man. This will occur when we can fully control the kind of people the next generation will be (i.e., how they think), but in the absence of moral standards, this choice will be made arbitrarily; that is, according to purely Natural impulses - thus we have the Abolition of Man as man and the ascendancy of man as animal.
"I must take issue with the reviewer who referred to the book as a "disguised apologetic" for Christianity. While Lewis openly acknowledges his Christian beliefs, he takes great pains to establish that the existence of objective moral standards is transcultural; that it is "trans-" any specific religious or ethical system other than relativism. Those who insist otherwise are simply out of touch; controlled by their own hermeneutic of suspicion, they see closet Christians lurking behind any and all moral absolutes.
"A final point - I must also disagree with the reviewer who referred to the book too difficult for the average reader. I'm an accountant, I have no training in philosophy, and I'm definitely not a candidate for MENSA membership - but I had no trouble "getting it." Light reading it's not, but, hey, it's short, the type is large, the book is cheap, and it's written in Lewis' inimitable conversational style. Don't be intimidated, the stakes are too high!"
A Response Comment: "An example of a an objective moral standard is that Murdering Children is wrong/evil. Every culture has always abhorred child murder. Even cultures that practiced human sacrifice of minors distinguished between religious sacrifice and a criminal/child murderer. It is one example of an objective moral standard. There are many. The fact that there are objective moral standards makes [the] theory that they don't exist wrong. 2+3=5 every time in all cultures and Child Murder is always condemned in all times in all cultures."
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